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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 27, 2012 0:18:20 GMT
I dunno why you guys...well mainly you there Marco, are trying to make this some conspiracy. It's pretty ridiculous. I did not intend to accuse you both of cheating and if it looked like it i apologize. I tried to make clear that i don't doubt your word and Lukas had nothing to do with it. To be fair, we are talking about something that happened just yesterday and there are 30 teams in the league so you can at least expect for someone to wonder about the situation but that is no excuse.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 0:34:47 GMT
I was pissed off before not because of the trade but because I felt like you negotiated this trade with Kings while he was offering for Brooks. This deal pisses me off. TWolves gives Brooks to Kings for cheap and then, he makes this trade to get Evans and Thomas in a deal that clearly favors him....I know TWolves didn't intend to cheat and I am not trying to accuse him or anything but this deal just doesn't look right. Don't back off now, you think we cheated and you want to see justice served by making this trade not go through.....which makes no sense because you still don't have Brooks? I honestly think you just want to cause myself and the T-wolves problems. If I were the admin I would ban you for all this, Boston assigned the T-wolves with a responsibility and for you to suggest that the process has been undermined without any proof what-so-ever is slanderous. Additionally, you aren't even a GM so who cares what you think? Honestly, I would stay as a GM if they rejected this trade and banned you. My biggest beef, and let me tell you I am pissed off right now, is you running your little kid mouth on here saying we cheated.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 27, 2012 0:41:18 GMT
#2 NO ONE has even read, much less refuted, my facts. I feel as though the fix in for me and I am not sure why. I have been accused of cheating and am basically being told I am a crappy GM. As a result, here is what I say to the rest of the TC, Miami, Chicago, and whoever else: If you reject this trade I am quitting the league. You see my credentials and I'll bet them on this trade. Honestly, I am having a hard hard time trading, and this will really give me more flexibility moving forward. You act like Tyree is a stud, yet I am still waiting for an offer that is better than this one. Man, today you said that i created two accounts just to criticize you, i said i liked your trade, and then you replied to me: 'you need to man up and if you don't like one of my moves say it to my face....Minny and I are not cheating.' Come on, you accused me too today, i could come here and say that i'm tired of being accused of having two accounts, but no, this is just a sim league, this is just friends having fun, people from all over the world. Sometimes, things don't happens as we want, you need to respect it and try again with other players. Mavericks and 76ers fixed their deal to make it acceptable to the TC, i got a rejected trade with Marco's LAC, he left, i did a new deal with Mike's LAC, it got accepted. Relax man, this is just to have fun.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 27, 2012 0:46:55 GMT
To be fair, we are talking about something that happened just yesterday and there are 30 teams in the league so you can at least expect for someone to wonder about the situation but that is no excuse. Aaron Brooks signed 2 and a half days ago. The decision was more or less made a day or two before that. Kings were the best situation for him the entire time. Kings and I first discussed a Tyreke for Derrick Williams trade Today @ around 11:30 or 11:45am ET. At the time, Kings had another trade offer sent out to NOH that would have sent Isaiah, among other things, to the Hornets. NOH shot the offer down, and then that freed us up to go through with the trade. For all I know, if NOH accepts that offer, which was pretty solid from what I heard actually...this trade never goes through. There was no collusion. Charles has always been a very good Sim GM, I was more weary when talks started as to whether I was getting ripped off, rather than the other way around, but luckily he happens to like a few of my guys more than I like them, and I like Isaiah mainly, more than he does. Our values lined up, it was an easy trade to make for both of us, and we've both been GM's, Committee Members, and Co-Admins in multiple Sim Leagues. Neither of us is going to ruin a team, and if we did through a LOT of bad luck and injuries IRL or whatever else, we'd both have fun rebuilding the team through our different methods. I see you said you didn't intend to say we were cheating, but it damn well looked like it and smelled like it...so usually that means, that was what it was. I'd just like for some more votes to come in, get this thing figured out one way or the other.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 27, 2012 0:50:22 GMT
#2 NO ONE has even read, much less refuted, my facts. I feel as though the fix in for me and I am not sure why. I have been accused of cheating and am basically being told I am a crappy GM. As a result, here is what I say to the rest of the TC, Miami, Chicago, and whoever else: If you reject this trade I am quitting the league. You see my credentials and I'll bet them on this trade. Honestly, I am having a hard hard time trading, and this will really give me more flexibility moving forward. You act like Tyree is a stud, yet I am still waiting for an offer that is better than this one. Man, today you said that i created two accounts just to criticize you, i said i liked your trade, and then you replied to me: 'you need to man up and if you don't like one of my moves say it to my face....Minny and I are not cheating.' Come on, you accused me too today, i could come here and say that i'm tired of being accused of having two accounts, but no, this is just a sim league, this is just friends having fun, people from all over the world. Sometimes, things don't happens as we want, you need to respect it and try again with other players. Mavericks and 76ers fixed their deal to make it acceptable to the TC, i got a rejected trade with Marco's LAC, he left, i did a new deal with Mike's LAC, it got accepted. Relax man, this is just to have fun. I do agree that Rex Ryan is on a bit of a rampage and should probably relax a little, but it's easy to get fired up when people accuse you of cheating, when this IS supposed to be just for fun. I've been in a somewhat similar situation where a GM in a league I was running kept calling me a liar, about things in my personal life, that I would have no reason to lie about. He had it out for me. It was literally ruining all the fun I could have in that league, and even messing with me outside of the league. It was just so unpleasant, really upsetting. Anyway, I was the Admin, or one of the Admin's, with Marco there actually, and I banned the guy as he was just being too ridiculous. What I'm saying is, because we expect this to just be fun...when someone calls you a cheater, sometimes you get really upset about it and go on a bit of a rampage. I'd like to see him chill out but I understand his feelings.
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Post by JJ Savage on May 27, 2012 0:50:56 GMT
Although nobody seems to agree with me. I'm going to say this again. This is another huge problem i have with the TC. Although the deal wasnt rejected by the entire TC, this isnt even a bad deal. Some people are saying its such a terrible deal for Sacramento...Derrick Williams could possibly be a star in future years. Or he could be a bust, its the risk you take. Sacramento and Minnesota both have plans, and they should be able to do what they like with there teams. You think there was a committee of people when the Blazers picked Oden over Durant, saying "you know what, i think Durant should go first, but i'll wait to see what the rest of the draft committee thinks" It's actually starting to get ridiculous with this TC, if it were up to me, we wouldnt have a TC. Only way deals get rejected, is if its something ridiculous like D-Rose for Avery Bradley. I honestly think we should completely get rid of the TC. Anyone else agree?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 0:53:04 GMT
I accept ;D
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Post by Jackie Moon on May 27, 2012 1:02:25 GMT
Its weird I was in trade discussions with both teams involving the players they just traded prior to it all happening lmao
I am a cancer to this league.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 27, 2012 1:08:33 GMT
Although nobody seems to agree with me. I'm going to say this again. This is another huge problem i have with the TC. Although the deal wasnt rejected by the entire TC, this isnt even a bad deal. Some people are saying its such a terrible deal for Sacramento...Derrick Williams could possibly be a star in future years. Or he could be a bust, its the risk you take. Sacramento and Minnesota both have plans, and they should be able to do what they like with there teams. You think there was a committee of people when the Blazers picked Oden over Durant, saying "you know what, i think Durant should go first, but i'll wait to see what the rest of the draft committee thinks" It's actually starting to get ridiculous with this TC, if it were up to me, we wouldnt have a TC. Only way deals get rejected, is if its something ridiculous like D-Rose for Avery Bradley. I honestly think we should completely get rid of the TC. Anyone else agree? I don't think that the TC should go away, but i think that only trades that f*ck up the guy's team should be rejected. This isn't the case. I think that sometimes, the TC rejects the trade by thinking 'Will i do this trade?' and not 'is this trade realistic?' The TC should remember that the NBA had a lot of GMs like real life Isiah Thomas doing crazy trades and Michael Jordan in the Bobcats doing sh*t signings. This IS real.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 27, 2012 1:09:16 GMT
Its weird I was in trade discussions with both teams involving the players they just traded prior to it all happening lmao I am a cancer to this league. Damn Jackie, it's all your fault, please quit man, your team sucks and so do you... hahahahaha, just kidding bro! ;D
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Post by JJ Savage on May 27, 2012 1:17:05 GMT
Idk man, im just 100% the TC. Thats just my opinion. I can understand if the deals rejected are something completely ridiculous. Something like a star for a scrub. But something like this, and many of the other deals that have been rejected, have been perfectly good trades. Its aggrevating trading in this league, because i'll talk with people, and we'll talk about deals that could get done, and i'll think to myself, idk if i could do this deal, the TC will just reject it anyway...it completely the plans that GMs have for there teams.
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Post by Alex English on May 27, 2012 1:17:07 GMT
Although nobody seems to agree with me. I'm going to say this again. This is another huge problem i have with the TC. Although the deal wasnt rejected by the entire TC, this isnt even a bad deal. Some people are saying its such a terrible deal for Sacramento...Derrick Williams could possibly be a star in future years. Or he could be a bust, its the risk you take. Sacramento and Minnesota both have plans, and they should be able to do what they like with there teams. You think there was a committee of people when the Blazers picked Oden over Durant, saying "you know what, i think Durant should go first, but i'll wait to see what the rest of the draft committee thinks" It's actually starting to get ridiculous with this TC, if it were up to me, we wouldnt have a TC. Only way deals get rejected, is if its something ridiculous like D-Rose for Avery Bradley. I honestly think we should completely get rid of the TC. Anyone else agree? I agree with you about this trade. I don't think it is that bad. I am not a fan of Tyreke though, he had a fantastic rookie year where he was handed the keys to the city but as the Kings have slowly been gathering talent he now just looks like a decent starting quality guard as opposed to a superstar in the making I honestly think we should completely get rid of the TC. Anyone else agree? I disagree with this though. Some trades really are worthy of rejection. Besides, only four trades have been rejected and one of those four was accepted by the TC but rejected by me when I just got my team as it was a previous gm who made the deal before switching teams. With a 92% accept rate it doesn't seem like a tall order to get a deal accepted.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 27, 2012 1:17:59 GMT
Don't back off now, you think we cheated and you want to see justice served by making this trade not go through..... This is not the case at all because like i said before, i want TWolves team to do well. However, what i said about the deal is how i feel about it. I just wish i didn't say it.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 27, 2012 1:20:55 GMT
Its weird I was in trade discussions with both teams involving the players they just traded prior to it all happening lmao I am a cancer to this league. Nice. Everyone needs to stop talking to this dude. Everyone knows Jackie Moon has nothing nba-worthy to offer, hahaha.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 27, 2012 1:26:53 GMT
Rex, you said that you would ban Marco if you were the admin, but you asked for him to register here to prove that he was real. He didn't even wanted to register...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 1:31:54 GMT
#2 NO ONE has even read, much less refuted, my facts. I feel as though the fix in for me and I am not sure why. I have been accused of cheating and am basically being told I am a crappy GM. As a result, here is what I say to the rest of the TC, Miami, Chicago, and whoever else: If you reject this trade I am quitting the league. You see my credentials and I'll bet them on this trade. Honestly, I am having a hard hard time trading, and this will really give me more flexibility moving forward. You act like Tyree is a stud, yet I am still waiting for an offer that is better than this one. Man, today you said that i created two accounts just to criticize you, i said i liked your trade, and then you replied to me: 'you need to man up and if you don't like one of my moves say it to my face....Minny and I are not cheating.' Come on, you accused me too today, i could come here and say that i'm tired of being accused of having two accounts, but no, this is just a sim league, this is just friends having fun, people from all over the world. Sometimes, things don't happens as we want, you need to respect it and try again with other players. Mavericks and 76ers fixed their deal to make it acceptable to the TC, i got a rejected trade with Marco's LAC, he left, i did a new deal with Mike's LAC, it got accepted. Relax man, this is just to have fun. I accused you having two accounts for the following reasons: #1: I had NO IDEA you had an assistant until I talked to you about it, he posted without registering....anyone can make up a fake name. #2: You and your assistant both at points suggested that Minny and I did something under the table, and both used similar wording in your statements. The admin can tell if someone is using the same name by IP addresses so you are obviously not the same, I apologize, but really he attack me out of the blue....like the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor or something. Also, I did do not it publicly where EVERYONE can see. Plus, there is a way to tell if you are two different people or not, in all honesty everyone is going to have doubt now as to whether or not Minny and I cheated because of the actions of your assistant. In my opinion, he should be banned and that will not change.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 27, 2012 1:32:21 GMT
Rex, you said that you would ban Marco if you were the admin, but you asked for him to register here to prove that he was real. He didn't even wanted to register... Yes. In fact, being a secret assistant was cooler than this. I don't feel cool anymore now. Damn you Jackie Moon. Anyway, this is a trade thread and i already talked about the trade so i will stop posting in here. in all honesty everyone is going to have doubt now as to whether or not Minny and I cheated because of the actions of your assistant. Again, the Brooks signing happened just yesterday. I apologized already but maybe it was your fault for not talking about it when the trade was posted.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 1:38:20 GMT
Don't back off now, you think we cheated and you want to see justice served by making this trade not go through..... This is not the case at all because like i said before, i want TWolves team to do well. However, what i said about the deal is how i feel about it. I just wish i didn't say it. Who cares what team you want do well? And I don't really care what you think about the trade, YOU ACCUSED OF US CHEATING WITHOUT ANY PROOF! I have documented this several times. So you can sit on here, chatter, confuse everyone, because half of what you say makes no sense, or you can just shut your mouth and drop. Basically, you've damaged mine and Twolve's reputation beyond repair.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 1:40:31 GMT
Again, the Brooks signing happened just yesterday. I apologized already but maybe it was your fault for not talking about it when the trade was posted. You know I am an English Minor, if you want me to tutor you in English I will. If not, I am not sure what you are saying so I cannot help you in anyway, shape, or form.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 1:41:27 GMT
Rex, you said that you would ban Marco if you were the admin, but you asked for him to register here to prove that he was real. He didn't even wanted to register... In the words of Ricky Perry, "Yeah buddy I'd ban him"
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 2:00:56 GMT
Sometimes, things don't happens as we want, you need to respect it and try again with other players. Mavericks and 76ers fixed their deal to make it acceptable to the TC, i got a rejected trade with Marco's LAC, he left, i did a new deal with Mike's LAC, it got accepted. Relax man, this is just to have fun. I thought I was done until Bobcats Assistant posted something else, but I want to address this. Honestly, if the trade gets reject it helps me. Minny and I will redo the trade and put Thornton in place of Evans. I told him I would let him pick between Evans and Thornton, and he picked Evans after 30 minutes of thinking about it. In my opinion, the reason why Evan's game declined is because of Thornton...I think he is a pretty good player. Now, I someone who has a man crush on Evans will give me something really good for him, as I told Minny, but that's not what I want. I want to do well and prove Boston and Mini Kitty wrong because I know I am right.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on May 27, 2012 2:19:29 GMT
I thought I was done until Bobcats Assistant posted something else, but I want to address this. Honestly, if the trade gets reject it helps me. Minny and I will redo the trade and put Thornton in place of Evans. I told him I would let him pick between Evans and Thornton, and he picked Evans after 30 minutes of thinking about it. In my opinion, the reason why Evan's game declined is because of Thornton...I think he is a pretty good player. Now, I someone who has a man crush on Evans will give me something really good for him, as I told Minny, but that's not what I want. I want to do well and prove Boston and Mini Kitty wrong because I know I am right. A deal with Thornton would be much more acceptable. You could add a future pick with Thornton as well and the deal would still be acceptable. It is true that Evans' stats declined but his minutes went down as well and his numbers are still pretty solid. As how i see it, Evans is a player who proved to be capable of leading a team and his stats could go up at any time. Williams has not proven that yet and translating 22 mpg to 36 mpg stats will show you something that is not there. Usually, when a player plays more minutes his shooting %s go down and he already has .0.412 fg % (including all the easy baskets he got from great Rubio passes) and 0.697 ft %. I still think Tyrus Thomas comparison is good for many reasons.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 27, 2012 2:26:04 GMT
Any TC members should probably read the trade, and then Sac's reasonings for doing it, and then post their opinion. Pretty much nothing else has been worth being in this thread lol. No changes have happened to the deal.
Also, I'm a little uncomfortable with people telling me how a trade will be more acceptable before this trade has more than 1 vote on it. Let's get these votes in. If needed, SacTown and I can discuss changes.
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on May 27, 2012 2:28:20 GMT
Sometimes, things don't happens as we want, you need to respect it and try again with other players. Mavericks and 76ers fixed their deal to make it acceptable to the TC, i got a rejected trade with Marco's LAC, he left, i did a new deal with Mike's LAC, it got accepted. Relax man, this is just to have fun. I thought I was done until Bobcats Assistant posted something else, but I want to address this. Honestly, if the trade gets reject it helps me. Minny and I will redo the trade and put Thornton in place of Evans. I told him I would let him pick between Evans and Thornton, and he picked Evans after 30 minutes of thinking about it. In my opinion, the reason why Evan's game declined is because of Thornton...I think he is a pretty good player. Now, I someone who has a man crush on Evans will give me something really good for him, as I told Minny, but that's not what I want. I want to do well and prove Boston and Mini Kitty wrong because I know I am right. I agree with you, IMO, Thornton is more important to the kings then Evans, it would get unfair to trade Thornton instead of Evans. Thornton is rising in the league and Evans is getting worse. Hope the TC accepts this trade as it is.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 5:11:12 GMT
I thought I was done until Bobcats Assistant posted something else, but I want to address this. Honestly, if the trade gets reject it helps me. Minny and I will redo the trade and put Thornton in place of Evans. I told him I would let him pick between Evans and Thornton, and he picked Evans after 30 minutes of thinking about it. In my opinion, the reason why Evan's game declined is because of Thornton...I think he is a pretty good player. Now, I someone who has a man crush on Evans will give me something really good for him, as I told Minny, but that's not what I want. I want to do well and prove Boston and Mini Kitty wrong because I know I am right. A deal with Thornton would be much more acceptable. You could add a future pick with Thornton as well and the deal would still be acceptable. It is true that Evans' stats declined but his minutes went down as well and his numbers are still pretty solid. As how i see it, Evans is a player who proved to be capable of leading a team and his stats could go up at any time. Williams has not proven that yet and translating 22 mpg to 36 mpg stats will show you something that is not there. Usually, when a player plays more minutes his shooting %s go down and he already has .0.412 fg % (including all the easy baskets he got from great Rubio passes) and 0.697 ft %. I still think Tyrus Thomas comparison is good for many reasons. Dude you don't seem to get it, I don't give a fuck what you think. Pretty much my soul reasoning for acknowledging your existence is to try and make you look bad. With that said, how can you say Evans is better than Thornton statistically? They both about 34 mpg and here how it breaks down. Thornton wins PPG (18.7 to 16.5) Evans wins RPG (4.6 to 3.7) Evans wins APG (4.5 to 1.9) Thornton wins SPG (1.4 to 1.3) As a result, why would I throw in a pick? It makes no sense to me, but then you act like you know what you are talking about so maybe you are a genius? You know what I think? I should just resign as GM of the Kings and you can have them, then we'll see how it goes since.... Even with Brooks, this trade will most likely kill the Kings
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 5:24:21 GMT
Any TC members should probably read the trade, and then Sac's reasonings for doing it, and then post their opinion. Pretty much nothing else has been worth being in this thread lol. No changes have happened to the deal. Also, I'm a little uncomfortable with people telling me how a trade will be more acceptable before this trade has more than 1 vote on it. Let's get these votes in. If needed, SacTown and I can discuss changes. Oh no Minny, the Bobcats Assistant GM's insight is sooooooooooo valuable to this league....it is anti-democratic for you to want him to shut up!
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Post by Otis Smith on May 27, 2012 5:33:48 GMT
I'm not sure why there are so many non-TC members and non- participants of this particular trade commenting?
Isn't there a whole sub-topic called trade discussion where you can discuss if you feel this trade sucks or not. All this does is clutter the thread and it makes it harder to see if the TC accepted it or not.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 5:43:51 GMT
I'm not sure why there are so many non-TC members and non- participants of this particular trade commenting? Isn't there a whole sub-topic called trade discussion where you can discuss if you feel this trade sucks or not. All this does is clutter the thread and it makes it harder to see if the TC accepted it or not. Of the posts by the group you are talking about, I bet at least 50% of them are not by a real GM!
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 27, 2012 16:02:06 GMT
I'm not sure why there are so many non-TC members and non- participants of this particular trade commenting? Isn't there a whole sub-topic called trade discussion where you can discuss if you feel this trade sucks or not. All this does is clutter the thread and it makes it harder to see if the TC accepted it or not. I'd tend to agree, most of these posts should be moved to another thread. Current TC Votes:
1 Reject - Boston
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 17:26:38 GMT
Who exactly is on the TC, I thought CHA was?
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