Detroit and Indiana

[Larry Bird]

Detroit Trades:
83 Joe Johnson $23,180,792 $24,894,865
71 Greg Stiemsma $490,180
66 Glen Rice Jr $939,500 $979,900 $992,088 $1,012,628
2016 2nd rounder Detroit
$24,610,472

Indiana Trades:
80 Ray Allen $6,950,000
76 Andrea Bargnani $11,500,000
76 Danny Green $5,666,667 $6,000,000
$24,116,667

I accept this trade. I had the opportunity to bring a really talented player in Johnson. He will help out a lot in scoring. He can do a little bit of everything. He is an excellent shooter and a solid defensive player. I also get a nice backup center and a young guy to add to my bench. Also, Johnson is a Razorback!

I have to give up three guys I like. All three are able to shoot the three, which I love wathcing. Green and Allen are some of the better shooters in the league. Green not shooting it as much as Allen, but both being able to play in the playoffs. I also take on a VERY large salary. Johnson will double the salary on my team by himself.

[Ian Noble]

I suppose Detroit almost has a clean slate of cap space for next season after this deal, but somehow I feel like he could get a little better deal for Joe Johnson and I'm always wary of newbie GMs who trade their most valuable assets within days of starting. I wonder how many offers were fielded for Joe before pulling the trigger on this. Also you can have all the cap space in the world but it's hard to sign free agents when there's almost nobody left on your roster to entice them to play alongside.

Sitting on the fence at the moment, I'd like to hear from Detroit.

[Danny Longley]

Leaning towards an accept, because the deal in itself isn't terrible but I do understand Ian's concern. I'd actually be arguing for Detroit if the team wasn't in such a bad way, shedding 20m for a 2nd Rounder. As for Indy, I'll probably never be a fan of JJ's contract but he's a stronger draw than any of the three he's giving up.

Can't imagine Johnson's contract is the easiest to trade, but I'd also like to hear from Detroit before giving a final say.

[Brian Scalabrine]

Honestly I think this is an incredible trade for Detroit

[Ghazny Dimalen]

I accept this trade
The reason why i accept this trade, first of all i think joe johnson are not worth of having this kind of contract base on contract versus performance bases.
Many of you will think that i have enough capspace in next season even joe johnson will stay in my team, but the idea of this trade is to rebuild not to retool, yes there is a possibility that having a hard time to sign a good quality and a superstar next free agent but having more cap space i can bring 2 or 3 biganames in my team to team up. In addition to the rebuilding process i can get a quality rookies next season if i have 1st rounder,i will check it later.lol

The expiring contract of bargnani will put our team in versatility in free agent. Ray allen is always a very good player in absence of joe johnson in our team he will provide the score we need and if possible i can sign him next season for another contract.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Dec 19, 2014 1:48:35 GMT Ghazny Dimalen said:

I accept this trade
The reason why i accept this trade, first of all i think joe johnson are not worth of having this kind of contract base on contract versus performance bases.
Many of you will think that i have enough capspace in next season even joe johnson will stay in my team, but the idea of this trade is to rebuild not to retool, yes there is a possibility that having a hard time to sign a good quality and a superstar next free agent but having more cap space i can bring 2 or 3 biganames in my team to team up. In addition to the rebuilding process i can get a quality rookies next season if i have 1st rounder,i will check it later.lol

The expiring contract of bargnani will put our team in versatility in free agent. Ray allen is always a very good player in absence of joe johnson in our team he will provide the score we need and if possible i can sign him next season for another contract.

here comes the problem, it is not a guarantee that the big name FAs will go to you even though you have a big cap space.

[Ghazny Dimalen]

Yah i know that..every thing in this game is a gamble..if you dont want to gamble or not risking anything you never know what will happen.
Im a optimistic person every single event happen in your life has a reason and purpose.

For me i will go for my plan and try to succed than doing nothing.

[Deleted]

I really like this deal for Detroit because Danny Green will be a solid piece no mater what and he gets cap space while dealing away a negative in Joe Johnson. While I don't think JJ is done, as I argued in the Stock Watch, most of this league thinks he cannot play anymore. Indiana's side of the deal needs to be judged in conjunction with the other two trades and I tend to agree with Dallas' comment in the IND/DEN trade.

[Danny Longley]

I'm going to accept. Can't bring myself to hate the trade as much as I'd want to.

I didn't quite get what I wanted to hear from Detroit, but unlike Washington he still has almost all of his own picks to work with along with an abundance of cap space. And I'm sure someone's gonna go looking for expirings so he won't exactly be at a dead end.

As for Indy's side - I guess if I look at the previous trade as more of cleaning up a redundancy rather than the trigger of a rebuild, this makes more sense. I've seen Larry say that he doesn't like leaving it to free agency, so I trust he has something in the works.

[Ghazny Dimalen]

Lol..
I think sir longly you want more detail explaination for this trade so you are not so satisfied to my answer.

But im a person that want to lose and everything has a purpose in every action i do..thnk you sir for accepting our trade..

[Danny Longley]

I was just hoping for something more than "gambling".

If you're just banking on bringing together some stars in free agency, you may be in for a rude awakening. Just about everyone and their mother has cap space here, it's often the roster that decides where a free agent heads - would be pretty hard to bring home a Lebron or DMC when the best player on the team is Danny Green.

[Larry Bird]

To explain my other moves in conjunction with this one.

Philly trade, as you said Dallas was cleaning house. One year expirings are going to be easier to trade those nasty looking contracts and cut salary.

Denver trade, I again traded for an expiring contract while in my eyes getting the better player.

Detroit trade, I had to take on a considerable amount of salary, but that price got me the better player.

I feel that after these three trades my team is in a better position to have a more of an opportunity to win now and in the future.

[Clyde Drexler]

This is great for the Pistons, let the rebuild begin!

[Ghazny Dimalen]

Now a days many player will look for the team with a contender status. But some player will look for being the franchise player for financial stability. I know im newbie here but i will try my best and luck to succed.
Let the rebuild begin.

[Walt Frazier]

I'm going to accept.

[Ian Noble]

I accept.

There are a few teams, like Cleveland, who have been in limbo since the start of the season, and Detroit are one of them. I am wary of newbies trading their best assets, but when they do it with a rebuild in mind it instantly shows they have the long term in their sights.

[Deleted]

Dec 19, 2014 20:57:38 GMT Ian Noble said:

I accept.

There are a few teams, like Cleveland, who have been in limbo since the start of the season, and Detroit are one of them. I am wary of newbies trading their best assets, but when they do it with a rebuild in mind it instantly shows they have the long term in their sights.

I also think you are undervaluing Danny Green a bit...then again I bought a shooting shirt of his for $10 dollars at Academy despite the fact I strongly dislike the Spurs.

[Bryan Colangelo]

I accept, love it for Detroit

[Jeremiah Hill]

Dec 18, 2014 18:08:56 GMT Ian Noble said:

I suppose Detroit almost has a clean slate of cap space for next season after this deal, but somehow I feel like he could get a little better deal for Joe Johnson and I'm always wary of newbie GMs who trade their most valuable assets within days of starting. I wonder how many offers were fielded for Joe before pulling the trigger on this. Also you can have all the cap space in the world but it's hard to sign free agents when there's almost nobody left on your roster to entice them to play alongside.

Sitting on the fence at the moment, I'd like to hear from Detroit.

To be fair he probably didn't get nearly as many offers as we think. I mean who could afford that contract.

[Ghazny Dimalen]

Actually 2 GM's only offered me for joe johnson trade.

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed.