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Post by John Stockton on Dec 13, 2014 2:50:29 GMT
Hes the best player on the Bulls i vote 83
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 23, 2014 3:19:16 GMT
Well because Noah's the best player on that team I guess we'll have to disagree on that one.
Probably gonna surprise some people here but I'm gonna say 85.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Dec 23, 2014 3:21:09 GMT
Playing really well, just got a boost. But he isn't consistent and a lot of his scoring is coming because of the players on his team. With Noah and Gasol in the post, he is open on the outside.
I vote an 80 but I'd like to see how he plays from here till the ASB.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 23, 2014 5:25:05 GMT
I'm actually a very, very big fan. 85 as of now for me.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Dec 23, 2014 8:31:33 GMT
85
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 23, 2014 13:45:24 GMT
85 is nuts- that's superstar range. He was terrible last year, and we're only 24 games in this year.
Highest I would be comfortable with is an 80. I'll vote 78.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 23, 2014 14:23:28 GMT
This is another one I think we should wait since there is no track record though by the all star break I'd be comfortable giving him a 85 or even 86
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 23, 2014 15:04:08 GMT
Defensively and with Rebounding is how he gets the majority of his ovr up in my opinion.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 24, 2014 1:54:18 GMT
Yea, superstar level...that's crazy. We should save that for 20+ point scorers who pull down 6+ boards, dish out 3+ assists, get over 1.5 steals a game, a block every two games, and do so while shooting like 49% from the field and 83% fromt he line. Plus have a solid 35% 3pt shot.
Oh wait....
I've read into Jimmy a fair amount for Fantasy Sports purposes, and got excited enough that I go out of my way to watch Bulls games. He's consistently the hardest working guy out there, and it shows. I personally would still like to wait for the All-Star break type of range to give new ratings, but right now, he's an 85.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 24, 2014 1:54:41 GMT
Oh and I didn't even mention how he's one of the best defenders in the league
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Post by Charles Barkley on Dec 24, 2014 7:55:39 GMT
Yea, superstar level...that's crazy. We should save that for 20+ point scorers who pull down 6+ boards, dish out 3+ assists, get over 1.5 steals a game, a block every two games, and do so while shooting like 49% from the field and 83% fromt he line. Plus have a solid 35% 3pt shot. Oh wait.... I've read into Jimmy a fair amount for Fantasy Sports purposes, and got excited enough that I go out of my way to watch Bulls games. He's consistently the hardest working guy out there, and it shows. I personally would still like to wait for the All-Star break type of range to give new ratings, but right now, he's an 85. Don't you feel like his offensive numbers come from being the only guy on the floor most nights, when Rose isn't playing, who can score from the wing? I get that his rating shouldn't be squelched because he has good teammates, but I feel like the 85 range is for players who's offense would translate into any team and system. McDermott gets barely any minutes, Rose has missed a lot of time, and there is consistently a guy who is a threat ON EACH BLOCK. You have to see that his numbers are inflated because of the inside presence of Gasol, Noah, Mirotic, and Gibson and the open looks he is getting on the perimeter. And when Rose plays, Jimmy becomes the 4th option on the floor, leaving even more open looks for him. Also, Thibs doesn't seem to understand how to sub Butler out of the game, which will inevitably catch up to him, but it also further inflates his numbers a tad. Furthermore, Butler and Rudy Gay have nearly identical per game numbers so far, yet Rudy does it in 4 minutes less per game. 85 is just crazy not even 30 games into the season. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 24, 2014 14:15:51 GMT
Yea, superstar level...that's crazy. We should save that for 20+ point scorers who pull down 6+ boards, dish out 3+ assists, get over 1.5 steals a game, a block every two games, and do so while shooting like 49% from the field and 83% fromt he line. Plus have a solid 35% 3pt shot. Oh wait.... I've read into Jimmy a fair amount for Fantasy Sports purposes, and got excited enough that I go out of my way to watch Bulls games. He's consistently the hardest working guy out there, and it shows. I personally would still like to wait for the All-Star break type of range to give new ratings, but right now, he's an 85. Don't you feel like his offensive numbers come from being the only guy on the floor most nights, when Rose isn't playing, who can score from the wing? I get that his rating shouldn't be squelched because he has good teammates, but I feel like the 85 range is for players who's offense would translate into any team and system. McDermott gets barely any minutes, Rose has missed a lot of time, and there is consistently a guy who is a threat ON EACH BLOCK. You have to see that his numbers are inflated because of the inside presence of Gasol, Noah, Mirotic, and Gibson and the open looks he is getting on the perimeter. And when Rose plays, Jimmy becomes the 4th option on the floor, leaving even more open looks for him. Also, Thibs doesn't seem to understand how to sub Butler out of the game, which will inevitably catch up to him, but it also further inflates his numbers a tad. Furthermore, Butler and Rudy Gay have nearly identical per game numbers so far, yet Rudy does it in 4 minutes less per game. 85 is just crazy not even 30 games into the season. #1 - Butler is one of the very best defenders in the NBA, so, that boosts the rating a decent amount. #2 - Your whole argument tends to crumble, IMO, as soon as we see how well Jimmy is shooting from all over the floor. If he were shooting 42% and 31% from 3, and only a 74% shooter at the line, I would be like, yea, this guy isn't good, he's just the only guy who can score at all for this team. But, I've already pointed out the %'s, and I just believe those #'s are true. Could I be wrong? Sure. As could anyone on any player, these are real-life human beings, who knows what drives them or affects them day to day, but I believe in the guy and I think he's developing into a superstar. My rating reflects that. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 24, 2014 14:17:01 GMT
Oh and, I wouldn't have posted a thread for him 30 games into the season, but since it's here, I will vote on it. He's not a rookie who we know nothing about. He may have struggled a little last year offensively but he has been proving himself as a top tier defender for a couple years, and I just see this as a big step forward in the development of his game.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 24, 2014 14:56:19 GMT
I agree that his rating should primarily be influenced by his defense but he's shown to be a good offensive player as well. Just a few tweaks. I also admit that this is probably where he peaks offensively in his career in terms of how good can he be.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 25, 2014 23:06:12 GMT
If everyone is going to vote I guess I will too. 82
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 0:26:34 GMT
85 because of his statistics.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 26, 2014 1:46:07 GMT
81-82. This is his breakout season, he needs to show he can play at this level consistently before he gets into the mid 80s imo. His stats last year were brutal, I doubt he'd regress that far but he could fall to somewhere in the middle of last season and how he's started this year. Basing everything on these first 25 games is jumping the gun.
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 26, 2014 2:07:35 GMT
81 because although I love Jimmy Butler everyone's losing their minds in this thread  |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 26, 2014 3:14:55 GMT
He is the top scorer of a team compose of Gasol and Rose.. that says enough how good he is offensively right now.. 84  (to be change if he falters) |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 26, 2014 3:15:21 GMT
He is the top scorer of a team compose of Gasol and Rose.. that says enough of how good he is offensively right now.. 84 (to be change if he falters) |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 26, 2014 3:18:28 GMT
83 for now. If he keeps this pace up for the rest of the year I will go with 86.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 28, 2014 23:34:36 GMT
Im changing my vote... with Wiggins and Parker at 81 and 80.. Im going with 86 How about voting to get Wiggins and Parker decreased instead of playing stupid games... |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 29, 2014 0:35:31 GMT
Yea this really has to stop. The whole "well these guys are rated here so this guy is obviously here" is just a cop out. Vote based on merit. We can fix other ratings as well. People need to have their own system they look at, be it certain ratings or Efficiency rating or whatever the heck they want, but stop comparing to other players' ratings in the game. It really doesn't help anything. It makes us go backwards as a league and backwards with our rating process.
As for the Rookies, we REALLY need to WAIT a little bit, jeez! Rookies should be given a full season to prove themselves one way or the other, I truly believe that. They are Rookies! We have a word for them b/c they come into the league with no NBA experience and it is a common and wide-spread knowledge that it takes them time to adjust and develop their games. I would love to get some sort of policy in place where we just let Rookies alone for a season, or hey, at least until the All-Star break!
Should I judge Peyton Manning on his Rookie Year where he went 3-13 with 26 TD and 28 INT, and just a 56.7% completion rate?
How about Kobe's rookie season where he put up an amazing 7 points, 2 rebounds, 1 assist, on 42% shooting?
Or, can we see past a Rookie's unique developmental year and notice the talent that got them so highly rated and thought-of in the first place? Should we not give them a bit of a chance? More than 7 weeks? I really think we should wait longer on Rookies.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 30, 2014 15:45:41 GMT
They are talking Butler for MVP on ESPN. Lol. Holy crap.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Dec 30, 2014 17:02:16 GMT
Jimmy is love, Jimmy is life.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 30, 2014 23:11:20 GMT
Another man who really deserves an increase right now TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 13-14 4.9 2.6 1.9 0.5 1.5 1.6 13.1 14-15 6.2 3.2 1.6 0.7 1.4 1.9 22. D5 13-14 6.2 pts 5.9 rebs 2.2 asts 0.96 stl 0.80 blk Advance Stat: PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% 13-14 13.5 .522 .346 .488 3.9 10.5 7.2 11.1 2.6 1.1 14-15 22.8 .605 .197 .562 6.1 10.9 8.6 13.9 2.0 1.1 there is a huge huge disparity in his D5 stats to his current stats and there team is winning. He is doing that even though Noah and Rose are missing allot of games and they keep on winning. I am changing my official vote to 86. Bulk of the increase should be on FG and IS then OA and the Physicals. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 30, 2014 23:44:52 GMT
Another man who really deserves an increase right now TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 13-14 4.9 2.6 1.9 0.5 1.5 1.6 13.1 14-15 6.2 3.2 1.6 0.7 1.4 1.9 22. D5 13-14 6.2 pts 5.9 rebs 2.2 asts 0.96 stl 0.80 blk Advance Stat: PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% 13-14 13.5 .522 .346 .488 3.9 10.5 7.2 11.1 2.6 1.1 14-15 22.8 .605 .197 .562 6.1 10.9 8.6 13.9 2.0 1.1 there is a huge huge disparity in his D5 stats to his current stats and there team is winning. He is doing that even though Noah and Rose are missing allot of games and they keep on winning. I am changing my official vote to 86. Bulk of the increase should be on FG and IS then OA and the Physicals. You can't always just compare stats and say something is wrong. Keep in mind I am one of Jimmy's biggest fans, I'm just saying that as a general rule. Players are not in the same situation here as they are in real life. Also, I think everyone agrees he needs a bump up from a 76 so yea, his stats right now are not going to be close to his real life stats. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 31, 2014 0:41:49 GMT
Another man who really deserves an increase right now TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS 13-14 4.9 2.6 1.9 0.5 1.5 1.6 13.1 14-15 6.2 3.2 1.6 0.7 1.4 1.9 22. D5 13-14 6.2 pts 5.9 rebs 2.2 asts 0.96 stl 0.80 blk Advance Stat: PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% 13-14 13.5 .522 .346 .488 3.9 10.5 7.2 11.1 2.6 1.1 14-15 22.8 .605 .197 .562 6.1 10.9 8.6 13.9 2.0 1.1 there is a huge huge disparity in his D5 stats to his current stats and there team is winning. He is doing that even though Noah and Rose are missing allot of games and they keep on winning. I am changing my official vote to 86. Bulk of the increase should be on FG and IS then OA and the Physicals. You can't always just compare stats and say something is wrong. Keep in mind I am one of Jimmy's biggest fans, I'm just saying that as a general rule. Players are not in the same situation here as they are in real life. Also, I think everyone agrees he needs a bump up from a 76 so yea, his stats right now are not going to be close to his real life stats. I am not saying that there is something wrong. I am just using it to give my suggested rating. And numbers is still the best basis of it. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 31, 2014 0:47:32 GMT
You can't always just compare stats and say something is wrong. Keep in mind I am one of Jimmy's biggest fans, I'm just saying that as a general rule. Players are not in the same situation here as they are in real life. Also, I think everyone agrees he needs a bump up from a 76 so yea, his stats right now are not going to be close to his real life stats. I am not saying that there is something wrong. I am just using it to give my suggested rating. And numbers is still the best basis of it. I'm all for numbers. But the real life numbers are really all we need. The D5 numbers are honestly irrelevant. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 31, 2014 0:50:28 GMT
I am not saying that there is something wrong. I am just using it to give my suggested rating. And numbers is still the best basis of it. I'm all for numbers. But the real life numbers are really all we need. The D5 numbers are honestly irrelevant. IMO, it is relevant. It is good to see if the ratings we are putting is really simulating what he is doing IRL. |
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(to be change if he falters)