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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 9, 2014 0:34:56 GMT
Current Rating: 80
Suggested Rating: 78
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 9, 2014 2:34:45 GMT
77
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 10, 2014 2:38:21 GMT
Didn't we just raise him up? Find that thread.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 10, 2014 4:11:46 GMT
Career high FG% (up 9.5% over last year)
Career high FT% (up 9.3% from his career avg)
Points up 1.8 from last year
Blocks slightly up, Steals slightly down.
Assists slightly down but still better than career avg
Rebounds down is the only spot to "worry" but they did add LeBron...AND...
He's playing about 2 mpg less.
All things considered, I think he earned that 80 more off of what he did 2 years (and 3 years) ago. 78 isn't a bad suggestion...below that might be a little reckless.
I'll go only down to 79 to give him credit for his improved %'s but still that rpg drop is significant.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 10, 2014 5:32:13 GMT
Career high FG% (up 9.5% over last year) Career high FT% (up 9.3% from his career avg) Points up 1.8 from last year Blocks slightly up, Steals slightly down. Assists slightly down but still better than career avg Rebounds down is the only spot to "worry" but they did add LeBron...AND... He's playing about 2 mpg less. All things considered, I think he earned that 80 more off of what he did 2 years (and 3 years) ago. 78 isn't a bad suggestion...below that might be a little reckless. I'll go only down to 79 to give him credit for his improved %'s but still that rpg drop is significant. They just added Kevin Love of course his rebounding is gonna drop a little bit. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 10, 2014 19:23:27 GMT
Right, I agree I don't really know why this was brought up tbh. 79 is the lowest I would go, it honestly just feels right for Varejao based on other ratings we have. I would have been fine with him at an 80 still though too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 18:03:00 GMT
Keep Varejao the same...even though supposedly the Cavs need Tristan Thompson at center in order to have rim protection.
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Post by James Kay on Dec 12, 2014 20:12:48 GMT
Current Rating: 80 Suggested Rating: 78 I don’t really like to involve other players in different stock watch threads, but I love Robin Lopez and I think that RoLo and Andy are very similar players, so this inclusion might be acceptable. Josh, I don’t see how you can rate Robin at a 77 and rate Varejao at a 78. If I was trying to be as unbiased as possible, this is how I would compare them if I was evaluating them based on their career stats/most recent stats with greater weight given to their more recent stats: FG%: Slight advantage Varejao. FT%: Advantage RoLo. Rebounding: Advantage Varejao Passing: Advantage Varejao? Not really sure though. Steals: Tie. Blocks: Advantage RoLo. Defense: Slight advantage RoLo. Rim Protection: Solid advantage RoLo. Goofy Hair: Tie. Plus, Varejao is one of the most posterized centers in the game today. With a smaller player like Brandon Knight, you can excuse getting posterized and twist it into a positive by interpreting it to mean that player hustles hard on defense and tries to disrupt a shot, but when you’re a center like Varejao, it’s pretty hard to twist to a positive. I’ll sum up my argument like this: RoLo and Big Andy are very similar players. In my opinion, their offensive repertoire is practically identical, although it appears that Andy is the better rebounder (In RoLo’s defense, rebounding numbers may not accurately represent his impact on the rebounding aspect of the game, as I will explain further on in this post), but Robin is by far the better defensive player. Therefore, Robin should be rated higher. Now, let me posit my argument for why Robin is so valuable to a team, and how he has contributed to Portland’s success. Robin came to the team for Lillard’s sophomore season, replacing JJ Hickson at the 5 for the 2013-2014 season. In the 2012-2013 season, POR finished 33-49, good for a 40% win percentage. In the 2013-2014 season, POR finished 54-28, good for a 66% win percentage. Currently, POR is 17-5 and leading the Northwest division. I’ve identified two statistics that I believe correlate heavily with both Portland’s trend of success and Robin Lopez’s impact. The first statistic is Total Rebounds. Portland was 24th in rebounding for the 2012-2013 season. That’s pretty awful. In 2013-2014, Portland shot all the way to first!! Although the entire starting 5 (minus Lopez, obviously) from 2012-2013 played less minutes, all of their individual rebounding went up, especially for LMA who increased his rebounding by 2 from the year previous and by 3 from his career average. So in comes Robin Lopez, and although ALL the Portland players played minutes, all of their boards increased. AND Portland shoots to the top in rebounding. 24 spots. I’m going to attribute a lot of this to Robin Lopez, who (although I’m backing this up with no concrete statistic) is excellent at boxing out and allowing his teammates to grab boards, not to mention grabbing offensive boards himself with ease. The second statistic is O3P%. During the 2012-2013 season, POR was 11th in O3P%. This is indicative of Terry Stott’s defensive philosophy to limit threes over all else. The defensive-version of Morey-Ball, if you will. But with JJ Hickson manning the paint, the Blazers could not afford to play tight enough on the perimeter to execute this defensive scheme effectively in 2012. With the addition of Robin Lopez, who is a superb rim protector, perimeter defenders no longer had to sag off their man and could limit the three-point shot, leading to their 2013-2014 O3P% being 3rd in the NBA, behind only Memphis and Indiana. Furthermore, RoLo’s unique combination of rim-protection and FT% allows him to not be a liability towards the end of games – giving POR the constant option for rim-projection, unlike players like Howard or Sanders. Finally, let me just say this. The difference between the results of the 2012 and 2013 season for POR was extremely significant. They increased their win percentage from 40% to 66%. But looking at the individual statistics for Lillard, Matthews, Batum, and Aldridge, none of them made a real jump that would be responsible for POR’s improvement. Yeah, you can point to fostering team chemistry and slight improvements in ball-handling/turnovers for Lillard, and some increased 3P% for Matthews, but overall, the starters really made no big leaps. Aldridge actually significantly dipped in FG%. The BIGGEST and most significant difference between 2012 and 2013 is Robin Lopez. He does nothing wrong, and everything pretty well, and I think this man deserves some goddamn respect and should be rated higher than his backup Chris fucking caveman Kaman and broken down defensive sieve Varejao and bumbling idiot Dalembert. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 12, 2014 21:56:36 GMT
RoLo 78, Varejao 77
Either way, Varejao needs a decrease. I feel like everyone in this thread who has watched the Cavs this year knows where I'm coming from
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 12, 2014 23:08:56 GMT
RoLo 78, Varejao 77 Either way, Varejao needs a decrease. I feel like everyone in this thread who has watched the Cavs this year knows where I'm coming from Everyone watching the Cavs knows that Varejao has been better than Kevin Love so watch yourself there bud. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 12, 2014 23:25:49 GMT
RoLo 78, Varejao 77 Either way, Varejao needs a decrease. I feel like everyone in this thread who has watched the Cavs this year knows where I'm coming from Everyone watching the Cavs knows that Varejao has been better than Kevin Love so watch yourself there bud. Don't get me started on Kevin Love  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 23:30:08 GMT
Everyone watching the Cavs knows that Varejao has been better than Kevin Love so watch yourself there bud. Don't get me started on Kevin Love I WILL DEFEND KEVIN LOVE VIA THE THING THAT USE TO BE KNOWN AS THE CHRIS BOSH SCALE UNTIL HELL FREEZES OVER SO DON'T EVEN GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHILE I AM NOT A HUGE LOVE FAN, IT JUST SORT OF WORKED OUT THAT HE NEEDS THE BLESSINGS OF "THE CHRIS BOSH SCALE" UPON HIM. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 13, 2014 14:29:22 GMT
Don't get me started on Kevin Love I WILL DEFEND KEVIN LOVE VIA THE THING THAT USE TO BE KNOWN AS THE CHRIS BOSH SCALE UNTIL HELL FREEZES OVER SO DON'T EVEN GO THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHILE I AM NOT A HUGE LOVE FAN, IT JUST SORT OF WORKED OUT THAT HE NEEDS THE BLESSINGS OF "THE CHRIS BOSH SCALE" UPON HIM. I understand WHY Love is struggling, he's coming from being the #1 who could shoot whenever and no one cared because they knew they weren't going to win anyways. But he also starts boxing out as players drive in which is stupid. Hard to block a shot if you are boxing out before the guy even finishes his move. |
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