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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 23, 2014 17:07:40 GMT
Current Rating: 77
Suggested Rating: 83
Stats: 15.9 PPG 7 APG 3.5 RPG 1.6 SPG 44.2FG% 20.4 PER 35 Min
Comparisons: Kemba Walker Rating 81
14.5 PPG 5 APG 4.5 RPG 1.3 SPG 38FG% 15.2 PER 34 MIN
Jrue Holiday Rating 83
15 PPG 6.5 APG 2.6 RPG 1.5 SPG 44FG% 19.2 PER 33 Min
Mike Conley Rating 84
16.9 PPG 6.1 APG 2.6 RPG 1.3 SPG 43.6 FG% 20.1 PER 32 Min
Darren Rates very Similarly to these guards particularly since he is also known as a good defender in the league. He was averaging very similar stats last year in LA but didn't have the minutes to back them up. Now that he's a starter he's proven he's in that mid tier of very good PGs especially as since he arrived Sacramento has started winning IRL. I think this sample and the comparisons that are shown here are evidence that Darren deserves an upgrade.
Also advanced stats all show him to be really good beyond his traditional stats that are also strong.
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Post by John Stockton on Nov 23, 2014 19:09:34 GMT
81
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Post by Walt Frazier on Nov 25, 2014 4:38:12 GMT
I need to see longer than a month for Collison. He's had great stretches before, and then rough stretches. 83 is definitely too high. I could see him cracking an 80, maybe 81...but not ready to rate him yet myself.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 25, 2014 4:44:15 GMT
I just wanna point out that per 36 last year Collison averaged 16 and 5 while shooting 46%, on a team that didn't need him to distribute as much. He's had the ability but with the minutes he's getting its finally showing up in his stat sheet.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Nov 27, 2014 4:48:28 GMT
I literally can't find where Kemba got that rating. I always thought he would be best playing off the bench like Isaiah Thomas is for the Suns this year. Maybe take Collison up to a 79 and bring Walker down to a 79 as well.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Nov 30, 2014 23:42:59 GMT
Same player, different team. 78
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Post by Alex English on Dec 1, 2014 0:21:00 GMT
83 is way too high, I'll say 79.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 1, 2014 1:16:15 GMT
Same player, different team. 78 His stats have clearly improved though and he's shown that he can lead a successful team like the Kings. The stats don't lie, he has really gotten better. |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 4, 2014 0:29:01 GMT
I think Collison is a solid defender, although he's shooting pretty horribly from the field - especially from three. Collison is kind of a shitty version of bledsoe.
Ill go 80.
I also think its bullshit you put him in the same convo as mike conley
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 4, 2014 0:43:35 GMT
The stats don't lie they are super similar
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 4, 2014 0:44:01 GMT
And when I did this he was shooting better than Conley
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Post by James Kay on Dec 4, 2014 2:51:10 GMT
And when I did this he was shooting better than Conley you didnt they are just not similar and not the same caliber player |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 4, 2014 3:27:36 GMT
I think Conley is better but then prove me wrong with stats! I'm happy to debate!
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 8, 2014 21:59:14 GMT
One more thing to add Collison is ranked 17tg overall in espns real plus minus stat. Obviously this isn't a perfect statistic but I thought I'd throw it out there.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 8, 2014 23:10:14 GMT
One more thing to add Collison is ranked 17tg overall in espns real plus minus stat. Obviously this isn't a perfect statistic but I thought I'd throw it out there. To be honest, it actually means more because he's a starter. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 8, 2014 23:20:34 GMT
I think a major problem with it is that we are in a GOLDEN age of point guards. They are all really good. So when it comes to ranking them it's going to come down to a lot of semantics regardless of what anyone says.
I think typically when it comes to two more or less equally skilled players, or similar stats. It then comes down to overall team success and perceived effect on their team performance.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Dec 8, 2014 23:53:52 GMT
he deserves an 82  |
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Dec 9, 2014 14:09:15 GMT
I'm going to give him an 80 for now
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 10, 2014 3:40:25 GMT
I'm gonna put down an official 80.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 25, 2014 23:08:14 GMT
Some more votes would be nice |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 0:25:16 GMT
81, he always impressed me.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 14, 2015 6:27:12 GMT
Can we get this updated
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 14, 2015 6:27:25 GMT
the rating
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 14, 2015 6:33:37 GMT
Vote a 79
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 14, 2015 6:37:01 GMT
Going with an 80 here.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 14, 2015 13:42:11 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 19, 2015 1:40:07 GMT
Thread closed at an 80
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 16:49:17 GMT
80
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