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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 31, 2014 5:35:02 GMT
Sim Assist Averages: 2013-2014 - 6.5 2012-2013 - 7.2
In real life: 2013-2014 - 8.4 2012- 2013 - 9.8
the disparity is quite big. His assist average IRL in the last 6 seasons is far higher than those.
I am not asking for a rating increase, I am only looking for an adjustment that can make his assist averages higher.
If his passing is still not max, you can increase it and then decrease the skills that devout to scoring. If not, maybe offensive awareness will do.
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 31, 2014 7:47:31 GMT
Agreed. Increase his pass and offensive awareness so he can average atleast 8 assists
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 31, 2014 12:47:20 GMT
TBH no one in the game averages the assists they are supposed to. Chris Paul averages like 7.9 or something like that. It's just the engine there is nothing you can do about it. I'm pretty sure Chris Paul's passing is as high as it can go too.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 31, 2014 12:48:37 GMT
We can bump him a little but this is where I/we remind you guys again, that comparing sim stats to real-life stats is not always going to be cut and dry.
Rondo's pass is at 95 out of 99, and his handle is 95 out of 99. His O. Aware is at 90, so it can go higher but he's already very elite in all these categories. NBA Live just hates assists tbh.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 31, 2014 15:56:24 GMT
When you look at the relationship to RL averages with sim averages, you have to take a lot of things into consideration. Who did Rondo play with most of this past season? The main scoring threat was Dirk and he isn't necessarily a catch and shoot player. Turner isn't a great offensive threat but Nene isn't too bad.
Then, as Walt said, you have to look at how the sim operates, and it hates assists, period. Your assist per game leader for 2013-2014 was Paul, at 7.9 a game. Which means that no guard averaged a double double, which certainly isn't the case in real life.
Most of Rondo's numbers were down across the board IRL from 2012-2013 to 13-14, but as were his minutes and his teammates aren't what they used to be.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 31, 2014 16:25:36 GMT
We can bump him a little but this is where I/we remind you guys again, that comparing sim stats to real-life stats is not always going to be cut and dry. Rondo's pass is at 95 out of 99, and his handle is 95 out of 99. His O. Aware is at 90, so it can go higher but he's already very elite in all these categories. NBA Live just hates assists tbh. 2K is better in assist then. haha. I believe 2 point adjustment each to passing and handle then 3 points to the O.A. would help a lot. Deduct it to the scoring skills sir, to remain it as 87. I believe Paul and Rondo are on the same level when it comes to passing. Paul has a better court vision thats why he has a higher assists numbers.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 31, 2014 18:21:17 GMT
This is just a weakness in NBA Live. Anything over 7 assists per game is elite in this sim. It's not just Rondo so his ratings here are fine imo.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 31, 2014 22:11:27 GMT
Believe me this was one of the first things I ever pointed out. It sucks but it's not like a guy with a lower rating is getting a bonus or anything.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Aug 1, 2014 0:25:48 GMT
yeah. It is just an adjustment.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 1, 2014 7:08:02 GMT
There's no need for an adjustment. Because if I recall he's already the second best passer in the league, which is better than average.
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Post by Danny Longley on Aug 8, 2014 7:29:40 GMT
I actually think Rondo could use an adjustment myself, but in his scoring stats.
Rondo's scoring stat line last season (D5) for my Mavs was:
'13-'14 - 14.6 PPG/40.8% FG/ 22.2% 3PT (176 Attempts)
He also posted similar lines in his time with Ian's Celtics:
'12-'13 - 17.2 PPG/40.3% FG/ 26.3% 3PT (224 Attempts) '11-'12 - 12.7 PPG/40.3% FG/ 25.7% 3PT (179 Attempts)
I don't know how you want to treat his previous season, but Rondo for his career has shot <42% only this past season (30 Games) and his rookie year - for most, he's shot 45-47%.
Outside of FG, the obvious anomaly would be his 3PA. While his 3PT% isn't that far off - he's attempting more than twice his career average (Most Rondo has thrown up in a year is 90).
I don't exactly know what stats would be tapped to take down 3PT attempts, but we could possibly look at DeRozan's D5 stats for a fix, as he's the only other notable starting guard with a similar offensive(Read: Scoring) profile.
DeRozan (D5)
'13-'14 - 13.6 PPG/48.3% FG/ 17.6% 3PT (17 Attempts)
I'm not looking for Rondo to start carrying my team in scoring, but I'd like for him to not scuttle the offense a'la Antoine Walker or Josh Smith.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Aug 8, 2014 11:40:02 GMT
There is actually a rating that is purely dealing with the amount of 3's a player takes. I can't look right now but perhaps that % is set too high.
Also keep in mind that those extra 3's are at least part (if not most) of the reason his fg% is too low in here.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Aug 8, 2014 13:25:08 GMT
Just did some quick research.
We have Rondo's % of three's set at 15. Looks like in real life, he takes 7-8%. So, that should come down. That will help.
The other thing though, and part of this is the nature of him not being on the same team as in real life... Is Rondo took like 1210 shots last year on our league. In real life, he never once shot more than 904 in one season.
So those things combined can add up to some very different looking shots and %'s.
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Post by Danny Longley on Aug 8, 2014 18:07:33 GMT
The threes % is a nice place to start, but looking into D5 Rondo's shooting - his 2P% is actually a bit low as well:
'11-'12: 369/852 - 43.3% '12-'13: 501/1167 - 42.9% '13-'14: 455/1034 - 44.0%
Rondo has a career average of 49.5% in 2P%, with lows of 44.2%(last year, again - 30 game sample) and 43.2%(Rookie Year).
This makes me think that he could actually use something of a boost in maybe his FG and Layup stats or whatever, and maybe a drop in Primacy or whatever the shot tendency thing is so that he's not some hyper-efficient scoring machine.
This fails to take into account the teammates he's with - something I'm a bit unsure of how to tackle, so make what you will of it.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Aug 9, 2014 7:34:06 GMT
I actually think Rondo could use an adjustment myself, but in his scoring stats. Rondo's scoring stat line last season (D5) for my Mavs was: '13-'14 - 14.6 PPG/40.8% FG/ 22.2% 3PT (176 Attempts) He also posted similar lines in his time with Ian's Celtics: '12-'13 - 17.2 PPG/40.3% FG/ 26.3% 3PT (224 Attempts) '11-'12 - 12.7 PPG/40.3% FG/ 25.7% 3PT (179 Attempts) I don't know how you want to treat his previous season, but Rondo for his career has shot <42% only this past season (30 Games) and his rookie year - for most, he's shot 45-47%. Outside of FG, the obvious anomaly would be his 3PA. While his 3PT% isn't that far off - he's attempting more than twice his career average (Most Rondo has thrown up in a year is 90). I don't exactly know what stats would be tapped to take down 3PT attempts, but we could possibly look at DeRozan's D5 stats for a fix, as he's the only other notable starting guard with a similar offensive(Read: Scoring) profile. DeRozan (D5) '13-'14 - 13.6 PPG/48.3% FG/ 17.6% 3PT (17 Attempts) I'm not looking for Rondo to start carrying my team in scoring, but I'd like for him to not scuttle the offense a'la Antoine Walker or Josh Smith. agree with this.. we are not looking for an increase.. just adjustments sir. Maybe decreasing the 3PT% and Defensive Awareness and Steal will be enough to cover the increase.. I think the increase should come in the Offensive Awareness and Quickness and a little bit in FG. If you can adjust him ASAP, I can write down his stats in F5 and we will try to see if there are some improvements. cheers
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Post by Walt Frazier on Aug 9, 2014 14:46:00 GMT
Rondo is probably about 50th-75th on the list of players to get taken care of right now. Just so your expectations are in line.
I think we've done as many changes in the past month than in the previous 2 years, so just let it happen. No one is more passionate about fixing these ratings than me so don't push it :-p
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