Dwayne Wade

[Charles Barkley]

Current Rating: 90
Suggested Rating: 82

Is D-Wade a 90? If you live in some alternate universe where it is still 2010. He is not the franchise corner stone, it's the reason Bosh was given the max, and Wade was given way way less. But, let's look beyond contracts and what the real GMs and FOs think. 

Firstly, let's compare Wade to the Prince of SG's DeMar (Who I feel is the 2nd best SG in the league, Dragic best combo guard, another discussion for another day).


G  GS    MP       FGM-A  FG%     3PM-A  3P%    2PM-A  2P%     FTM-A   FT%   ORB   DRB  TRB    AST    STL    BLK             TOV     PTS


54 53   32.9    7.7-14.1 54.5    0.2-0.6 28.1   7.5 13.5 55.7    3.5 4.8  73.3    1.1   3.4   4.5      4.7    1.5     0.5                  3        19


DeMar
 79 79  38.2     7.6-17.8 42.9   0.8-2.7 30.5   6.8-15.2 45.1    6.6-8    82.4     0.6   3.7   4.3      4       1.1     0.4             2.5     22.7


Breaking this down: Wade was once king of getting to the line, now his FT% is low, and he gets there half the time as DeMar does, not to mention where Harden is. Rebound nearly the same, 0.7 assists in favor of Wade as well as 0.4 steals. FG% is where think get fucked up for DeMar, but he did shoot nearly 4 more times a game, and he's the main option, where Wade is number 2 and has LeBron. Yet, with LeBron driving, he still shot worse from 3 than DeMar, and shot less 3's. DeMar is considered a terrible 3PT shooter, so what is Wade, especially is he has LeBron.

Advanced stats now:

PER   TS%     eFG%       FTr       3PAr     ORB%  DRB%    TRB%    AST%    STL%    BLK%    TOV%    USG%   ORtg DRtg OWS DWS   WS    WS/48



22   58.8%    55.1%    33.9%    4.2%    4.4%    12.3%    8.5%    25.5%    2.3%    1.4%    15.5%    27.9%   110   106   3.5     2      5.5     0.149


DeMar

18.4 53.2%  45.2%      44.8%    14.9%  2%     11.3%     6.6%    18.9%     1.5%    0.7%    9.5%      28%      110  107 5.8   3 8.      8      0.141


So, DeMar loses nearly every category besides Free Throw Rate, 3PT Attempt Rate, Usage Rate, OWS, DWS, WS.

Now, the funny thing is, DeMar was responsible for more wins for his team, but had a lower WS/48. 

I really feel like the only reason Wade has the stats he has is because he plays with LeBron and he plays less minutes and less games. This is why I suggest an 82.

I am 100% sure everyone will disagree with my rating, and I am also 100% sure that he shouldn't be a 90. And I am 100% sure, at the All-Star break next season, Wade will need to be lowered again. I mean, the dude plays every other game, and plays with the greatest player in the 2010's. 

Go ahead, disagree. But he shouldn't be a 90. He doesn't carry his team for 82 games like DeMar does. I mean, put him at an 86, but only let him play 53 games. It's irrational to think this guy is good anymore. And everyone will see it soon.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

let us wait first, no lebron on heat. he will carry them again.

[Deleted]

Naw I don't need to see anymore. I vote for a conservative 80.

[Jeremiah Hill]

85 his main downside is that his health is shitty. I think he is still a top 5 sg in the league. He put up numbers close to Derozen and Dragic despite having dust for knees. I'd say lower his health, vertical and stuff like that. If at the start of the season next year not having LBJ around he crumbles then I'll drop him down more.

[John Stockton]

86 as a low for now. Without Lbj, Wade and Bosh will have very good years and I feel wade can still be a 90 type player.

[Jeremiah Hill]

Jul 29, 2014 16:15:11 GMT John Stockton said:

86 as a low for now. Without Lbj, Wade and Bosh will have very good years and I feel wade can still be a 90 type player.

I think Wade will have a hard time getting into the lane with Deng not able to stretch the floor and Wade having compromised athleticism to get there. This could be the year he takes a really bad drop off. 

[John Stockton]

Yeah, I can see that Jeremiah. Lets just see how this season goes before changing him

[Brian Scalabrine]

I'd go 87 for now no need to overreact based on one playoff series. We can lower him later if nessesary

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 29, 2014 17:48:32 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

I'd go 87 for now no need to overreact based on one playoff series. We can lower him later if nessesary

Not basing his rating off of the play-offs, just off the regular season. He isn't THAT guy anymore, let along the guy he was with LeBron.

Where ever he ends up with this, I foresee another change around the All-Star break. 

[Brian Scalabrine]

19 4.7 reb 4.5 ast on 54% shooting is actually not that bad for DWade during the regular season though he did miss a lot of games. I just think there is n point lowering him prematurely and a small decrease can be corrected later on when his stats reflect that.

I think we are on the same side, I think Wade is done, but we don't have the stats to match this and I think we gotta work with that.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I still think he's a 90. Dude is absolutely dominant when he is healthy. He put up 19 ppg, 6 apg, 5.4 rpg, and shot 54.5% from the field this season. You guys are nuts if you think he is below an 88

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 29, 2014 22:22:26 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I still think he's a 90. Dude is absolutely dominant when he is healthy. He put up 19 ppg, 6 apg, 5.4 rpg, and shot 54.5% from the field this season. You guys are nuts if you think he is below an 88

I think he needs a decrease. And it is because of his injuries, not mainly his main stats, but his stamina and injury for now. We can't have Wade running around playing 40 minutes a night when he only plays every other game, you know?

[Walt Frazier]

Agreed with both sides of the last two comments. Wade's stats sure still look incredible. Maybe not 90-incredible though, but great. That said, based on at least last year, he is kinda cheating the system with his stats, b/c he's not out there putting it all on the court EVERY night like a lot of guys are (more or less). The injury/stamina could dip a bit.

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 30, 2014 1:17:56 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Agreed with both sides of the last two comments. Wade's stats sure still look incredible. Maybe not 90-incredible though, but great. That said, based on at least last year, he is kinda cheating the system with his stats, b/c he's not out there putting it all on the court EVERY night like a lot of guys are (more or less). The injury/stamina could dip a bit.

For comparison, Wade played 2867 Minutes in D5 out of a possible 3,936. In real life, he only played 1557 minutes.

While we can't limit the games he plays in, we can limit the minutes he plays via stamina, and dropping his attributes to where they should be in relation to his RL stats.

I think Wade has declined offensively, but that is what we are voting on. I think irregardless of the outcome of the vote, whether he ends up being whatever, he needs his stamina changed.

[Tom Izzo]

86. Until we see otherwise, he is not as valuable at Klay Thompson, Bradley Beal, James Harden, or other young up-and-coming SGs. He could be increased, or decreased, later, but 86 seems to be a fair rating for Wade at this point.

[Charles Barkley]

thread closed

[Charles Barkley]

Thread Closed at a 87

[Walt Frazier]

FTR, I think I took my rating on Wade in the Summary List from the thread that is titled something like "Kobe & Wade"

[Deleted]

91

[Charles Barkley]

Jan 19, 2015 16:33:41 GMT @griz2385 said:

91

If you read the thread, it's closed, the change has been completed, and your vote here isn't counted. If you feel he should be a 91, please make a new thread.

[Deleted]

Thanks for the notice. Ill keep doing what i want though. If its closed so be it. Just ignore my mistake.