Warriors | Suns

[Chris Mullin]

Warriors Trade

81 - Kemba Walker - $3,272,091 $4,433,683

Outgoing Salary: $3,272,091
Incoming Salary: $2,389,260


Suns Trade

72 - Steven Adams - $1,408,900 - $1,469,500 - $1,496,916 - $1,533,249
68 - Cory Joseph - $980,360 - $1,470,540 - $1,960,720

Outgoing Salary: $2,389,260
Incoming Salary: $3,272,091



I've been shopping Kemba Walker for some time now and have not been able to find any deals that really interested me enough to pull the trigger. The market for Kemba Walker is not great right now because almost every team around the league has a quality PG that they are invested in or a young prospect they just drafted. I feel it would be tough to resign Walker after the next 2 seasons even though we would have his Bird Rights. It would be tough to convince him to stay and continue to be a backup because there is no way he would be the starter any time in the near future.

Trading Walker to the Suns gives him an opportunity to step in and be the starter and join Kawhi Leonard and Taj Gibson in Phoenix to form a solid nucleus to build around.

Steven Adams is a player that I am really excited about and I think has great potential and will continue to get better every season the more experienced he becomes. He gives us a young big that can mature behind Dwight Howard over the next few years and serve as a backup bench player while he continues to develop and refine his game.

I see Cory Joseph as a possible backup PG that plays spot minutes here and there.

I accept.

[Dan Majerle]

I accept the trade I could have quality PG that could run. I lost Steven Adams but hopefully Taj can fill that void.

[Jeremiah Hill]

This one is going to cause some discussion even within the trade committee. Kemba doesn't have Bird Rights. But he's there and Khawi really only needs an increase. I don't see either way = playoffs for the suns. TBH I think that Adams is worth Kemba straight up even though at this point Kemba is a little further along.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I suppose I accept. Kemba may not be on bird rights but he's still much better than Adams

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Lol at Adams and Walker being even straight up. Adams is a scrap player and nothing more. Joseph is a young decent player. Them together make this trade acceptable. I honestly think Adams is nothing more than a scrappy role player. Good trade Suns.

[James Kay]

Jul 7, 2014 14:33:41 GMT @griz2385 said:

Lol at Adams and Walker being even straight up. Adams is a scrap player and nothing more. Joseph is a young decent player. Them together make this trade acceptable. I honestly think Adams is nothing more than a scrappy role player. Good trade Suns.

I agree. This trade is pretty rejectable. I think it'll pass based on Mullin's track record, but it really shouldnt.

[Walt Frazier]

Kemba is definitely the best player here, but Adams has a chance to start for the Thunder. I don't love him, but there is value there.

And, the Warriors have a glut of talent so, worst case for this trade is that the Suns win it easily, and for the league, that just means some talent gets spread around which is probably a good idea.

I'll accept.

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Jul 7, 2014 11:49:08 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I suppose I accept. Kemba may not be on bird rights but he's still much better than Adams

I totally disagree with this! It should be rejected because Steven Adams will be a top 5, if not the best, center in the league in a few years. If it does pass, Mullins can look forward to me annoying him forever about Adams!

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Jul 7, 2014 16:58:50 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Kemba is definitely the best player here, but Adams has a chance to start for the Thunder. I don't love him, but there is value there.

And, the Warriors have a glut of talent so, worst case for this trade is that the Suns win it easily, and for the league, that just means some talent gets spread around which is probably a good idea.

I'll accept.

Yea he has a chance to start(i wouldn't). But still not a starter...

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Jul 7, 2014 17:12:02 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jul 7, 2014 11:49:08 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I suppose I accept. Kemba may not be on bird rights but he's still much better than Adams

I totally disagree with this! It should be rejected because Steven Adams will be a top 5, if not the best, center in the league in a few years. If it does pass, Mullins can look forward to me annoying him forever about Adams!

Lol

Vlade you are funny as hell..

[Chris Mullin]

This is not a trade I'm making to get equal value back right this moment. This is a risky move for me because Adams might not ever pan out, but what if he becomes the starting center for the Thunder IRL and becomes a quality big man over the next few seasons?

Walker is a talented PG but he is a small, high volume, low % shooting, score first PG. Look around the league, there are PG's everywhere but there are not quality big men everywhere. This is a risky move on my part but Im comfortable making it because I feel really good about Steven Adams as a player and the solid track record OKC has developing their draft picks. Adams is still young and raw but he has shown some very promising signs especially their last couple series in the playoffs.

Some people might think this a dumb trade, but I don't. I'm really high on Adams, he was a lottery pick last year, and think hes got a very bright future. Its no doubt a gamble but again compare solid PG availability to big man availability and its not even close. With Walker only having 2 years left on his deal no GMs are willing to give up a player that is as proven as Walker is right now either. Im taking a risk, but Im honestly quite comfortable taking it. Today I may technically "lose" the trade but in a couple years hopefully that opinion will be different.

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Adams had maybe 1 double double in the playoffs. Had 1 gm over 10pts. 1 game with 11 rebs. Happens to be the same gm..ONCE.

Hes a great defender for now. Until he gets into foul trouble then what?

He would basically be worthless in my book. I see in the summer league hes working on offense. Lol. He better. I just dont think hes a starter..or ever should be. At least from what I see.

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Im glad your making this trade Mullin. Another EOTY move to not win the title once again.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 7, 2014 18:17:29 GMT @griz2385 said:

Adams had maybe 1 double in the playoffs. Had 1 gm over 10pts. 1 game with 11 rebs. Happens to be the same gm..ONCE.

Hes a great defender for now. Until he gets into foul trouble then what?

He would basically be worthless in my book. I see in the summer league hes working on offense. Lol. He better. I just dont think hes a starter..or ever should be. At least from what I see.

Also gotta consider individual circumstances. Kendrick Perkins is the joke of the league as a starter, so Adams may not have to be fully developed or as good as he could be in order to take the job away from Perkins. Someone has to start there, even if you don't like any of them.

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Jul 7, 2014 18:21:00 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Jul 7, 2014 18:17:29 GMT @griz2385 said:

Adams had maybe 1 double in the playoffs. Had 1 gm over 10pts. 1 game with 11 rebs. Happens to be the same gm..ONCE.

Hes a great defender for now. Until he gets into foul trouble then what?

He would basically be worthless in my book. I see in the summer league hes working on offense. Lol. He better. I just dont think hes a starter..or ever should be. At least from what I see.

Also gotta consider individual circumstances. Kendrick Perkins is the joke of the league as a starter, so Adams may not have to be fully developed or as good as he could be in order to take the job away from Perkins. Someone has to start there, even if you don't like any of them.

Trade him and Butler or Sefolosha. They can do better than Adams. They can also trade Collison and Perkins and Thabett...

[Chris Mullin]

Jul 7, 2014 18:19:19 GMT @griz2385 said:

Im glad your making this trade Mullin. Another EOTY move to not win the title once again.

JR what seems to be your beef with me? I get this vibe from you like one day I walked into your living room and kicked your dog or something.

Please dont blow up this trade thread with all of your highly researched and detailed player evaluations. Shouldn't you be trying to sign Stephon Marbury or some other player that was relevant 15 years ago anyway?

[Charles Barkley]

Jul 7, 2014 18:29:32 GMT @griz2385 said:

Jul 7, 2014 18:21:00 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Also gotta consider individual circumstances. Kendrick Perkins is the joke of the league as a starter, so Adams may not have to be fully developed or as good as he could be in order to take the job away from Perkins. Someone has to start there, even if you don't like any of them.

Trade him and Butler or Sefolosha. They can do better than Adams. They can also trade Collison and Perkins and Thabett...

Folosha and Butler are gone from the Thunder. Adams is the Heir Apparent in OKC. Adams didn't get a lot of minutes throughout the season OKC and broke out in the playoffs. It could be a Harrison Barnes type break out or a Kawhi Leonard type break out. 

In either case, I feel that Adams is worth more than Kemba. There's a bunch of guards who are 80+ but there are not nearly as much big men, even less under 26 big men. I think Adams can be an 80+ type player. When you consider that PHX isn't getting Kemba's BRs. Throw Cory Joseph into the mix, who is going to get a lot of minutes this year with Mills being hurt, and I think it further tilts the scale in GSW's favor.

If I were Dan, I would have asked for Terrence Jones in the deal and toned down his value with the rumors about Bosh in Houston IRL etc etc. Maybe Mullin is just a great negotiator.

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Jul 7, 2014 18:17:29 GMT @griz2385 said:

Adams had maybe 1 double double in the playoffs. Had 1 gm over 10pts. 1 game with 11 rebs. Happens to be the same gm..ONCE.

Hes a great defender for now. Until he gets into foul trouble then what?

He would basically be worthless in my book. I see in the summer league hes working on offense. Lol. He better. I just dont think hes a starter..or ever should be. At least from what I see.

You are an idiot, seriously. What has Walker done in the NBA? 17 and 4 on arguably the worse team in NBA History until this year? He's too small to ever be an elite PG and will probably be a solid off the bench scorer for a good team or keep jacking it for a crappy team. Adams will pan out and be a top 5 center because he possesses freakish athletic skills and all the centers in the NBA stink right now. The Spurs would NOT have won the title if I coached the Thunder because I would replace Perkins with Adams. This would give me TWO elite shot blockers instead of just Ibaka. Seriously, I am shocked at how little respect Adams gets and, with this trade, proclaim a Golden State Dynasty unless Lebron comes to Sacramento next year!

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Jul 7, 2014 18:51:08 GMT Charles Barkley said:

Jul 7, 2014 18:29:32 GMT @griz2385 said:

Trade him and Butler or Sefolosha. They can do better than Adams. They can also trade Collison and Perkins and Thabett...

Folosha and Butler are gone from the Thunder. Adams is the Heir Apparent in OKC. Adams didn't get a lot of minutes throughout the season OKC and broke out in the playoffs. It could be a Harrison Barnes type break out or a Kawhi Leonard type break out. 

In either case, I feel that Adams is worth more than Kemba. There's a bunch of guards who are 80+ but there are not nearly as much big men, even less under 26 big men. I think Adams can be an 80+ type player. When you consider that PHX isn't getting Kemba's BRs. Throw Cory Joseph into the mix, who is going to get a lot of minutes this year with Mills being hurt, and I think it further tilts the scale in GSW's favor.

If I were Dan, I would have asked for Terrence Jones in the deal and toned down his value with the rumors about Bosh in Houston IRL etc etc. Maybe Mullin is just a great negotiator.

I would keep Adams and Leonard if I GMed the Suns. Seriously, that's a great core along with guys like Mattews!

[Ian Noble]

Phoenix gets the more sure-thing in this deal, I don't feel like Adams's upside is high enough to get as excited as everyone else is getting. Either way the Warriors are still going to be contenders after this trade.

I accept.

[Chris Mullin]

This right here is what makes this league so great. We all look at the same player but every GM sees something different.

[Alex English]

I'll accept. The Warriors are in the position to take a chance on Adams.

[Clyde Drexler]

High risk, high reward!

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed.