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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 15, 2014 0:27:22 GMT
So... if D5 was real life and Tim Duncan just won his 5th Championship as the second option on the Blazers.
I think his legacy would be even bigger than if he wins it with San Antonio tomorrow night, because he's brought a team to a championship that's not even the Spurs. Although Portland's lineup is better on paper.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 15, 2014 0:28:14 GMT
Also the stock watch section would fill with Lamarcus Aldridge 95+ rating threads
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 0:35:32 GMT
I don't know....not many players win 5 rings with the same team. Kobe, Jordan, Duncan and Fisher?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 15, 2014 0:45:12 GMT
I think both situations are unique in their own way, though maybe Portland's a little more because he won one without Pop.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 15, 2014 0:45:47 GMT
I don't know....not many players win 5 rings with the same team. Kobe, Jordan, Duncan and Fisher? Russell, Magic... anyone else?
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 15, 2014 1:15:50 GMT
Pippin, worthy?, Sam Jones, Bob cousy, lot of other people from the Russell celtics off the top of my head, maybe Michael Cooper or Byron Scott?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 15, 2014 21:13:22 GMT
I have a feeling that Duncan and Manu will take their sweet ass time announcing their decisions once the finals is over, which would essentially screw me over.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 15, 2014 22:07:34 GMT
I have a feeling that Duncan and Manu will take their sweet ass time announcing their decisions once the finals is over, which would essentially screw me over. Well he's got a player option that he'll no doubt pick up, if he decides to retire and we take him out of the game it's essentially like he declined his option basically. I think they'll both stay. Ginobli is still under contract for next season and I don't see him just saying no to 7 million dollars.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 15, 2014 22:24:16 GMT
I have a feeling that Duncan and Manu will take their sweet ass time announcing their decisions once the finals is over, which would essentially screw me over. Well he's got a player option that he'll no doubt pick up, if he decides to retire and we take him out of the game it's essentially like he declined his option basically. I think they'll both stay. Ginobli is still under contract for next season and I don't see him just saying no to 7 million dollars. I'm hoping they both play next season, but if they decide to retire let's say in September compared to after the finals is over then that's like 10 million of cap that I could have used in free agency Pop is staying on as coach so I think Timmy will decide to stay as well!
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 15, 2014 22:32:58 GMT
I have a feeling that Duncan and Manu will take their sweet ass time announcing their decisions once the finals is over, which would essentially screw me over. Well he's got a player option that he'll no doubt pick up, if he decides to retire and we take him out of the game it's essentially like he declined his option basically. I think they'll both stay. Ginobli is still under contract for next season and I don't see him just saying no to 7 million dollars. I just checked out the Spur's salaries and I'm pretty confident that the two of them will return now. They both have a year remaining, along with Parker, and Pop is continuing to coach as well.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 15, 2014 23:13:01 GMT
Well he's got a player option that he'll no doubt pick up, if he decides to retire and we take him out of the game it's essentially like he declined his option basically. I think they'll both stay. Ginobli is still under contract for next season and I don't see him just saying no to 7 million dollars. I just checked out the Spur's salaries and I'm pretty confident that the two of them will return now. They both have a year remaining, along with Parker, and Pop is continuing to coach as well. Plus you have to ask yourself that with all that cap space and the chance at a 6th title would they consider being WAY more aggressive in free agency than they usually are.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 23:29:56 GMT
I think Duncan will retire if the Spurs win.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 15, 2014 23:40:55 GMT
I think Tim Duncan definitely comes back next year. He's still playing at a high level so there is no reason for him to turn down more than $10 million.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 23:53:12 GMT
I think Tim Duncan definitely comes back next year. He's still playing at a high level so there is no reason for him to turn down more than $10 million. He wants to go out on top like Ray Lewis, John Elway, Michael Jordan, and most importantly David Robinson.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 15, 2014 23:59:01 GMT
Cough wizards mj cough
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Post by Alex English on Jun 16, 2014 0:34:05 GMT
I think Tim Duncan definitely comes back next year. He's still playing at a high level so there is no reason for him to turn down more than $10 million. He wants to go out on top like Ray Lewis, John Elway, Michael Jordan, and most importantly David Robinson. How do you know this?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 0:54:41 GMT
He wants to go out on top like Ray Lewis, John Elway, Michael Jordan, and most importantly David Robinson. How do you know this? I understand the Spurs ideology.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 16, 2014 2:52:01 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 16, 2014 8:12:16 GMT
I think Duncan's legacy remains unchanged. He's still the best PF of all time. He isn't in the Russell, Wilt, or Kareem tier of big men. That's not to say that he couldn't have been. If it were a different system maybe how we view him would be different. But he's been the best PF of all time for about 3 or 4 years now.
The better questions are: Is Pop now the best coach of all time? What place in history do Parker and Ginobili hold? And, what happens to Kawhi?
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 16, 2014 11:35:04 GMT
I think Duncan's legacy remains unchanged. He's still the best PF of all time. He isn't in the Russell, Wilt, or Kareem tier of big men. That's not to say that he couldn't have been. If it were a different system maybe how we view him would be different. But he's been the best PF of all time for about 3 or 4 years now. The better questions are: Is Pop now the best coach of all time? What place in history do Parker and Ginobili hold? And, what happens to Kawhi? I can't wait to see how Kawhi does next season, no doubt after his Finals MVP and everyone ageing that he'll get an even bigger role.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 16, 2014 11:41:34 GMT
I think Duncan's legacy remains unchanged. He's still the best PF of all time. He isn't in the Russell, Wilt, or Kareem tier of big men. That's not to say that he couldn't have been. If it were a different system maybe how we view him would be different. But he's been the best PF of all time for about 3 or 4 years now. The better questions are: Is Pop now the best coach of all time? What place in history do Parker and Ginobili hold? And, what happens to Kawhi? I can't wait to see how Kawhi does next season, no doubt after his Finals MVP and everyone ageing that he'll get an even bigger role. I trdaed Kawhi, and if I could go back in time, with what I now know, I wouldn't do that trade. I got the 2nd overall pick with my own pick on a 0.6% chance. Anyways, my concerns with Kawhi are still the same. Will he be able to handle the load? What happens when Timmy and Manu leave? What about Pop? How long will Pop stay? Does Kawhi even stay as a Spur? I think Kawhi can be the 3rd best SF in the league, behind Durant and LeBron. The kid has all the talent in the world. But there are a lot of questions surrounding the Spurs and their future. Can Kawhi handle the weight of the franchise? He has big big shoes to fill. He is inconsistent, we saw it in the finals. He is going to get the Paul George treatment now plus more. And he already had the Harrison Barnes treatment last playoffs. I'm rooting for the kid, but I just don't think he pans out to be this 88+ rated perennial all-star. Not because of talent, but because of the pressure and his personality, reminds me ALOT of Wiggins....
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 16, 2014 11:59:13 GMT
I can't wait to see how Kawhi does next season, no doubt after his Finals MVP and everyone ageing that he'll get an even bigger role. I trdaed Kawhi, and if I could go back in time, with what I now know, I wouldn't do that trade. I got the 2nd overall pick with my own pick on a 0.6% chance. Anyways, my concerns with Kawhi are still the same. Will he be able to handle the load? What happens when Timmy and Manu leave? What about Pop? How long will Pop stay? Does Kawhi even stay as a Spur? I think Kawhi can be the 3rd best SF in the league, behind Durant and LeBron. The kid has all the talent in the world. But there are a lot of questions surrounding the Spurs and their future. Can Kawhi handle the weight of the franchise? He has big big shoes to fill. He is inconsistent, we saw it in the finals. He is going to get the Paul George treatment now plus more. And he already had the Harrison Barnes treatment last playoffs. I'm rooting for the kid, but I just don't think he pans out to be this 88+ rated perennial all-star. Not because of talent, but because of the pressure and his personality, reminds me ALOT of Wiggins.... Exactly, his future is still a mystery and for all we know he could be at his peak as of now. With the way everything is going so far though, and him being only 22, it'll be fun watching his continuous progress.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 16, 2014 13:19:37 GMT
I think Duncan's legacy remains unchanged. He's still the best PF of all time. He isn't in the Russell, Wilt, or Kareem tier of big men. That's not to say that he couldn't have been. If it were a different system maybe how we view him would be different. But he's been the best PF of all time for about 3 or 4 years now. The better questions are: Is Pop now the best coach of all time? What place in history do Parker and Ginobili hold? And, what happens to Kawhi? Tim Duncan is a top 10 player of all time. Parker and Ginobili are really good but I wouldn't put either of them in the top 50. I'd also say Pop is a top 3 coach of all time with Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson. Also Charles, I think the entire league told you not to trade Kawhi.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jun 16, 2014 13:29:27 GMT
I think Duncan's legacy remains unchanged. He's still the best PF of all time. He isn't in the Russell, Wilt, or Kareem tier of big men. That's not to say that he couldn't have been. If it were a different system maybe how we view him would be different. But he's been the best PF of all time for about 3 or 4 years now. The better questions are: Is Pop now the best coach of all time? What place in history do Parker and Ginobili hold? And, what happens to Kawhi? Tim Duncan is a top 10 player of all time. Parker and Ginobili are really good but I wouldn't put either of them in the top 50. I'd also say Pop is a top 3 coach of all time with Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson. Also Charles, I think the entire league told you not to trade Kawhi. I mean, Bill Simmons has Duncan as 7th all time, and what he says is the Lord's word, so I'll go with it. Could argue that others "transcended" the game more than Duncan did. I stand by my decision to trade Kawhi. I look like a fucking dumbass right now considering I really didn't even need that pick, but I like my team as it is more than what it was. Would I rather have Kawhi than Giannis, most definitely, but hind sight is 20/20 and I'll live with it but it looks likely I'll never live it down in here. And because Jeremiah is my RL friend, he'll hold it over my head in RL. So, I can't escape it. Kawhi Leonard will haunt me and keep me up at night.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jun 16, 2014 13:35:50 GMT
I have Duncan around 6th tbh
Mike Kareem Magic Larry Shaq Duncan Wilt Russell
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Jun 16, 2014 13:42:20 GMT
I stand by my decision to trade Kawhi. I look like a fucking dumbass right now considering I really didn't even need that pick, but I like my team as it is more than what it was. Would I rather have Kawhi than Giannis, most definitely, but hind sight is 20/20 and I'll live with it but it looks likely I'll never live it down in here. And because Jeremiah is my RL friend, he'll hold it over my head in RL. So, I can't escape it. Kawhi Leonard will haunt me and keep me up at night. Hey I traded Kawhi too so I feel your pain, but it lead to a championship so I'm over it
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