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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2014 11:55:14 GMT
2014/15 Salary Cap
Next season's NBA salary cap will not be announced until after our off season but we need a new salary cap figure to use during Off Season Free Agency.
Back in mid-April the NBA announced the new salary cap would be roughly around $63.2m, so for the purpose of Off Season Free Agency we'll just go with that figure.
When the actual salary cap for next season is announced, we will amend ours.
$63,200,000
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 24, 2014 12:52:33 GMT
I guess this isn't up for discussion, but do we really need to increase the salary cap? This increase will result in 17 teams having at least $15 million in cap room... which is just crazy. We already have extreme stratification regarding very large contracts and very small contracts. This is just going to encourage even larger contracts, especially considering the way we handle bird rights. I've been reading this about Bird Rights: www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q3537. Can a team with cap room sign all the free agents it wants (up to the salary cap) and THEN re-sign its own free agents using the Bird exception? A team's ability to do this is very limited. The team's free agents continue to be included in team salary. This charge is called the "free agent amount," which is a form of cap hold. There may not be enough money available under the cap to sign another team's free agent, because the team's own free agents are taking up all its cap room. Note that a player with Bird Rights still takes up cap room for the team based on the "Free Agent Amount" table shown in #38. This is often the max contract or a % of his previous salary. 39. Why do free agents continue to count against team salary? It closes a loophole. Teams otherwise would be able to sign other teams' free agents using their cap room, and then turn their attention to their own free agents using the Bird exception. This rule restricts their ability to do that. It uses the player's current status (type of free agent, whether coming off a rookie contract, and previous salary) as a rough guideline to predict the amount the player is likely to receive in his next contract, and sets that amount aside in the form of a cap hold. But while it functions as a rough guideline, it's obviously not perfect -- for example, in 2005 Michael Redd's free agent amount was just $6 million, even though the Bucks intended to re-sign him for the maximum salary. By waiting to sign Redd last, the Bucks were able to take advantage of the difference by signing Bobby Simmons. Had they signed Redd first, they would not have had enough cap room to sign Simmons. This very loophole we have allowed in our league is specifically addressed in the CBA. Just as a practical example, Golden State is going to have about $20 mil in cap room, and THEN can sign Steph Curry to a max deal. So theoretically, Golden State could spend ~$50 mil this offseason, which is just ridiculous. I think we either need to not raise the salary cap or address the loophole.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 24, 2014 12:55:57 GMT
I would also like to point out that we have previously allowed player options not to count against cap, which was ridiculous in itself. Our free agency is completely unrealistic because of these strange and incorrect rules we have implemented. It's no wonder guys like Josh Smith get such huge contracts when 60% of the league can offer him a max deal.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2014 13:40:13 GMT
Player Options and Team Options have both counted against a team's salary situation since the end of the first season.
I'm still getting my head around your original post. Are you just saying that players re-signed using Bird Rights should still count against your cap? I don't get it.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 24, 2014 13:45:22 GMT
Player Options and Team Options have both counted against a team's salary situation since the end of the first season. I'm still getting my head around your original post. Are you just saying that players re-signed using Bird Rights should still count against your cap? I don't get it. Yea, exactly. That gray table in the link I sent shows how much it counts against cap depending on what kind of contract the player is coming off of. The "Free Agent Amount" is the amount the player under bird rights counts against cap, regardless of whether the player has been re-signed or not. "Here's an example of how to use this chart: Let's say a player who made $5 million during the previous season becomes an Early Bird free agent, and is not coming off the second season of his rookie scale contract. According to this chart, the player's free agent amount is 130% of his previous salary. So $6.5 million is included in team salary while he is a free agent." So basically, let's say a team's salary is only $53 million. Instead of having $10 mil to spend on other free agents, they only have $3.5 mil (10 minus 6.5) because the bird rights player takes up cap through his free agent amount.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 24, 2014 13:54:06 GMT
I suppose it is unrealistic to implement this for this offseason since teams have probably been planning to use make ludicrous offers, but I think we should consider it for next year. But, I do think that with our current rules, increasing the salary cap by such a large number is pretty fruitless.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 24, 2014 15:20:01 GMT
I agree with Josh in the fact that the new cap will cause huge contracts, but that is to be expected in here as well as real life. I think if we implemented a veteran minimum contract, along the lines of what the NBA has, and increase the minimum contract, it will limit the amount of space teams have to use. It is why the cap increases year to year usually, because the minimum contracts increase. However, because a team over the cap can always sign a player to the minimum, it doesn't completely alleviate the issue during the season.
Having the bird righted player count against the cap until they either re-sign or sign somewhere else will also help with the issue. It will make GMs think about when to have the bird righted player sign. The issue is also even more minimized by a free agent restriction we have: a team cannot sign more than one player per RL week. This provision is important, because some players want to sign a deal as soon as possible while teams have needs and cap space.
If we combine these things, increasing the minimum contracts on veterans and the overall minimum contract, have the bird righted player count, and have player agents want to sign players as soon as possible, the issue of the increasing cap will be minimized. Normally, teams are afraid to hand out huge contracts on every player that has BR's because of the luxury tax, which is non existent. The NBA limits the MLE on teams over the luxury threshold. I think with all of these things, our cap issues that we have, no tax penalties and inflated contracts, will be greatly diminished.
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Post by Alex English on May 24, 2014 16:45:19 GMT
I'm in favour of matching our cap to the real life salary cap. I also like the idea of cap holds. This already came up actually where I said I was against the change of having bird rights contracts not count against the cap until the end of the off-season: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/3430/bird-rights-discussionJust look at the Warriors cap situation. He will have $20 million to re-sign Pau Gasol, or sign someone else, then add a few role players since that won't use up his whole cap, then on top of that he gets to add Stephen Curry signing him to whatever ungodly contract we know he will get since there is no way Chris Mullin will be outbid. He gets to have his cake and eat it too and the rich will just keep getting richer. He should have to choose between them, as he would in real life. The obvious choice is Curry and then the direct result of that will be the rest of his lineup is hurt and he'll lose depth. The indirect result will be better free agents available to the rest of the league and less money available to be spent on them. All good things for the competitive balance of the league. That's just one team too, the Lakers have an even better cap situation. Magic gets $30 million to go nuts with and then add Kobe on top of that. Plus there is Philly with Ty Lawson, and a few other teams I'm probably missing. It will make a significant positive impact on free agency.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 24, 2014 17:11:09 GMT
There is 101 free agents in this class of players.
I thought there was a cap hold. This changes everything.
If there is no cap hold on "our version of restricted free agents" that really gives all of the power to the elite teams.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 24, 2014 17:12:54 GMT
That chart Josh posted is a bit too complicated when it would solve problems by just making the cap hold whatever the last contract was.
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Post by James Kay on May 24, 2014 17:29:59 GMT
Yeah, cap holds need to be started ASAP - like this off-season. I didn't realize we didn't have cap holds. Without cap holds, the parity in the league is only going to increase.
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Post by Chris Mullin on May 24, 2014 20:34:04 GMT
I dont know if the cap needs to be increased at all and I dont think the Bird Right situation makes a ton of sense like the Team Option situation of last off-season. However, speaking for myself I've made all of my moves this season based on the current Bird Rights rule which Im sure some other GMs have as well.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 24, 2014 20:46:11 GMT
I dont know if the cap needs to be increased at all and I dont think the Bird Right situation makes a ton of sense like the Team Option situation of last off-season. However, speaking for myself I've made all of my moves this season based on the current Bird Rights rule which Im sure some other GMs have as well. There should not be a situation where getting Blake Griffin is a possibility for you. That's just ridiculous. This should be the punishment for being way over the cap.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on May 24, 2014 20:48:38 GMT
I dont know if the cap needs to be increased at all and I dont think the Bird Right situation makes a ton of sense like the Team Option situation of last off-season. However, speaking for myself I've made all of my moves this season based on the current Bird Rights rule which Im sure some other GMs have as well. i agree. i made all my trades because of the bird rights rule.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 24, 2014 20:50:28 GMT
I dont know if the cap needs to be increased at all and I dont think the Bird Right situation makes a ton of sense like the Team Option situation of last off-season. However, speaking for myself I've made all of my moves this season based on the current Bird Rights rule which Im sure some other GMs have as well. i agree. i made all my trades because of the bird rights rule. Troy you are so far over the cap this rule would not even affect you this offseason.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on May 24, 2014 21:00:02 GMT
i agree. i made all my trades because of the bird rights rule. Troy you are so far over the cap this rule would not even affect you this offseason. im talking about the change of having bird rights contracts not count against the cap until the end of the off-season. Am i off the topic? LOL
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