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Post by Charles Barkley on May 14, 2014 4:55:43 GMT
Ok I see what you're saying but even in that case shouldn't curry be above him in that category? He gets more assists and points and us more efficient and runs the offense in golden state through him while in Memphis its through zbo and gasol. I like conley but he is a full tier below guys like curry, Paul westbrook Parker in my opinion. Even in the second tier I would put him behind wall probably very close to lillard and dragic. I'm not including drose or rondo so I'd put conley as the 6th, 7th or 8th best overall. Above guys like Lowry, Kyrie, kemba ect.. I wouldn't put Curry in the same category as Paul/Parker/Conley/Rubio/Rondo. I guess how I'm dividing these categories is by looking at how the PG plays. Do they shoot first? Do they look to set others up? I'd put Curry in the category of "sometimes shoots first, other times sets his teammates up" in this category I'd have guys like Wall, Rose, Curry, Kyrie, maybe Lillard. I understand this categorical system of mine has huge flaws, but it is how I look at the PGs because I feel it isn't fair to compare Westbrook to Paul because they do different things. I'd have Curry ranked as a better overall PG than Conley. I only said Conley should be an 85. The offense in Memphis utilizes the high post a lot with Gasol and the low post with Z-bo, kind of like how CHI used Noah in the high post and Boozer lower. Guys like Kyrie, Kemba, Ellis, Teague, Holliday, Williams, Evans, I don't feel that they are better overall PGs than Conley. If I were to make a top 10 overall PG list, leaving out Rose, and assuming Rondo is at full health, it would go something like this: Paul, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Lillard, Rondo, Wall, Conley, Dragic, Deron Williams. I mean, Jameer Nelson is an 82, Lawson is an 83, Jennings is an 83. I know some of those guys are inflated and are being dropped, but I feel like Conley is a top 10 PG In the league when you take in to account everything he does. He controls the tempo so well and he may not be a playmaker like Rose or Wall, but he sets his teammates up and distributes the ball. He is, in my mind, a true PG. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 14, 2014 14:28:47 GMT
"Paul/Parker/Conley/Rubio/Rondo" On what planet is Rubio mentioned with those guys?
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 15, 2014 6:54:00 GMT
"Paul/Parker/Conley/Rubio/Rondo" On what planet is Rubio mentioned with those guys? Dude, I am not comparing them in skill level. I am comparing them in what they PRIMARILY do for their teams, and that is set others up for their shot. They aren't shoot first PGs, whether it be by nature or by nurture. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 15, 2014 13:19:29 GMT
"Paul/Parker/Conley/Rubio/Rondo" On what planet is Rubio mentioned with those guys? Dude, I am not comparing them in skill level. I am comparing them in what they PRIMARILY do for their teams, and that is set others up for their shot. They aren't shoot first PGs, whether it be by nature or by nurture. Well in that case I would put guys like Conley, Dragic, Derron Williams, Teague, Holiday, Parker lumped into the same PG "type" as being system guys. Score First Guys: Kyrie, Lillard, Kemba, Rose, Lowry, Curry, Westbrook, Burke (probably haven't seen him alot) Role Playing Guards: Calderon, Chalmers, Lin, Beverly. Paul Rondo and Rubio are really the only three pass first PGs left in the game, which is why I'm rooting so much for Rubio to learn how to at least make a layup. John Wall is sort of growing into this group. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 15, 2014 13:28:33 GMT
I didn't use those categories when I was looking at PGs. I know my system isn't great, but it is just how I view the PGs around the league. I had 3 categories: Shoot first, Distribute first, or Half and half. And I labeled them by how they play within their system and how they are.
So, I put Rubio, Paul, and Rondo into the distribute first category with guys like Conley, Parker, and Dragic, even though Conley, Parker, and Dragic are more system guys.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 15:29:44 GMT
Lin is NOT a role player.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 15, 2014 16:33:32 GMT
Lin is NOT a role player. He does offense only, Beverly does defense only it's why they split minutes, the definition of a role player. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 16:39:07 GMT
Lin is NOT a role player. He does offense only, Beverly does defense only it's why they split minutes, the definition of a role player. Jeremy Lin can defend as well as most players and I think it's racist to say that he can't. Rather, Beverley excels on defense. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on May 15, 2014 18:08:40 GMT
He does offense only, Beverly does defense only it's why they split minutes, the definition of a role player. Jeremy Lin can defend as well as most players and I think it's racist to say that he can't. Rather, Beverley excels on defense. That's ridiculous. We can't have opinions on players if people are going to claim racism. I think lin defends bad but so does harden. It's not because harden is black just how it isn't because jlin is Asian |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 15, 2014 18:13:20 GMT
He does offense only, Beverly does defense only it's why they split minutes, the definition of a role player. Jeremy Lin can defend as well as most players and I think it's racist to say that he can't. Rather, Beverley excels on defense. Calm down Magic Johnson. I'm saying he's not a good defender because he's not a good defender. Neither is Chandler Parsons or James Harden (especially James). It's the reason they lost to the high powered perimeter of Portland. Portland just got exposed by a team with a bunch of good wing defenders. Lin is a better defender than Harden, which basically means he's about as good at D at the NBA level as I would be. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 15, 2014 18:13:57 GMT
New rule guys, we can't lower anybody because it's racist.
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Post by Charles Barkley on May 15, 2014 18:21:51 GMT
Jeremy Lin is only good at basketball because he knows the correct angle to take on every play and knows the velocity and arc of a perfect mathematical shot. Not to mention the correct angle at which his shot needs to hit the back board in order to go in the orange circle. I bet he could bank it in without the white square on that transparent thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 18:40:06 GMT
Well I don't know why people are so hard on Lin's D but he looks good on both ends every time I watch him play. In fact, his defense DWARFS Harden's. Don't believe me?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 15, 2014 21:25:53 GMT
Well I don't know why people are so hard on Lin's D but he looks good on both ends every time I watch him play. In fact, his defense DWARFS Harden's. Don't believe me? I've already said that Lin is a better defender than Harden. Harden is perhaps the worst perimeter defender in the league. Being a lot better on defense than James Harden does not mean you are good at defense. It just means you are less terrible at it than he is. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 22:20:58 GMT
Well I don't know why people are so hard on Lin's D but he looks good on both ends every time I watch him play. In fact, his defense DWARFS Harden's. Don't believe me? I've already said that Lin is a better defender than Harden. Harden is perhaps the worst perimeter defender in the league. Being a lot better on defense than James Harden does not mean you are good at defense. It just means you are less terrible at it than he is. Harden doesn't try on defense but I think Lin plays solid defense. With that said, Lin's offensive game is either elite or pretty darn close to elite. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 15, 2014 23:37:31 GMT
If Lin's defense was solid then he'd be a decent offensive and defensive player and wouldn't split minutes with Beverly.
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