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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Apr 28, 2014 2:45:07 GMT
Lance Stephenson wants to thank everyone who tired to get his services. Lance was close on picking a 1 year deal with a team to play in the playoffs but he felt that at age 23, he has many years left in his career to play on a playoff team. Right now Lance wants to stay committed to a team for this year and next and this is the reason why he picked a long term deal. Lance noticed that he would be a sought out free agent in the summer time, but as stated before Lance wanted to make a home now instead of waiting in the off season.
Lance enjoyed both explanations from the two teams who were in running for his services but at the end of the day Lance wanted to stay in Utah and has decided to re-sign with them. Lance accepts the following deal with the Utah Jazz:
Year 1: $12,052,065
Year 2: $11,760,357
Year 3: $10,942,017
Year 4: $9,854,231 - Player Option
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 28, 2014 2:54:55 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Apr 28, 2014 3:04:13 GMT
I don't think Lance Stephenson in Mormonville is a good idea. My MLE offer for Lance was clearly better. Not just because our team is better, but because Denver Nuggets has two meanings nowadays. You're not just searching for gold in the Mile High City.  |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 28, 2014 3:11:36 GMT
I'm confused as to what is happening in here lol
Why were people bidding on Lance when he was still under contract for this year and the off-season hasn't started yet?
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Post by Alex English on Apr 28, 2014 3:13:57 GMT
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 28, 2014 3:17:02 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Apr 28, 2014 3:22:46 GMT
Since the gamble paid off for the Jazz, Lance is now getting paid twice by the same team. That's stupid. We should really make a rule against this for the future.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Apr 28, 2014 3:50:08 GMT
I never pictured Lance to be this soft
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 28, 2014 3:52:44 GMT
Yeah i agree lets implement the barber rule! we need more feedback on that thread
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 3:55:39 GMT
Great move Barber!
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Apr 28, 2014 12:13:55 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 28, 2014 13:05:50 GMT
Since the gamble paid off for the Jazz, Lance is now getting paid twice by the same team. That's stupid. We should really make a rule against this for the future. There is a thread in general discussion if I remember right. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 28, 2014 13:10:09 GMT
Really weird IMO. Any player who gets released in real life in-season is not signing with that same team a couple days later. Especially when he could go join a playoff team for one season and try to get a ring, then go make the same money next year.
Also, this is essentially only a 3-year contract, since this season is mostly over, he could have gotten another year with more money at the end of his contract in year 4, right now he just threw away a year of money that he would be making in his prime.
He'll probably be good enough that he'll still make good money that year, but this makes zero sense IMHO Colangelo. And I'm not saying he should've signed with me, but I know there were playoff teams out there with MLE. Take 5 MILLION dollars, play for a ring the rest of this season, and go make even more money in the offseason.
Very questionable move.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 28, 2014 13:32:16 GMT
How did he throw away a year of money? He GAINED a year of money by getting paid this season. I've done these calculations with Bryan, but as long as he gets paid at least ~$8,000,000 after this contract is up, he will have been more beneficial, financially, to take my deal. That $8 mil figure seems extremely likely since he will be hitting his prime and I will have bird rights.
Lance Stephenson isn't some veteran chasing a ring... he is 23 years old and on a 2nd rounder rookie contract. If I were Lance, I wouldn't have even considered any offers that were trying to get me to sign on to a 1 year deal. My team has shown commitment to him, something no other team can say. We made a power move to be able to get him paid. Lance is a great fit for our team and I think he realized that.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 28, 2014 13:43:58 GMT
Lance Stephenson isn't some veteran chasing a ring... he is 23 years old and on a 2nd rounder rookie contract. If I were Lance, I wouldn't have even considered any offers that were trying to get me to sign on to a 1 year deal. My team has shown commitment to him, something no other team can say. We made a power move to be able to get him paid. Lance is a great fit for our team and I think he realized that. Wouldn't that reason alone be enough for him to seek and consider all offers in the off-season? Maybe there could have been a team that overpaid for him or been in a position to try and make the playoffs. You also make the claim that you're the only team that has shown the commitment to him, however, you never really gave other teams a chance to show a commitment in the off-season. You took that power away from everyone else. Either way, I'm fine with this because there is nothing against it in the rules section. Barber found a loophole and used it to his advantage. I think after this the committee or Ian should make a rule against doing something like this for the future. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 28, 2014 15:51:20 GMT
Should definitely be a rule against this. It really defies logic IMHO. Barber, once you cut him, Lance had a couple options:
1) Sign with you or some other team with cap space for 4 years (including this season...so only 3 additional seasons after this one), making a good chunk of money.
2) Sign with any team that has MLE, including almost all of the contending teams, for the rest of this season, and get himself a ring since this season is so late. He can THEN sign for 5 additional seasons after this one, making himself even more money on a true open market. He eliminates risk that the "him" IRL gets hurt and ends up not being able to make much money for those two seasons for example.
I have no issue with you Barber, I just think Option 2, where he locks up a ton of money this year, and gets two additional seasons afterwards, and probably gets to compete for a ring this year (I don't care what age a player is, in this scenario for a quick 1-year deal with his pick of teams who he can clearly see are already competitive, what player does not want to win a ring?)...I think Colangelo made the wrong choice here, that's all.
Barber, you cut Lance. You didn't show him commitment.
If you are saying you cut him so you can re-sign him, that sounds an awful lot like a contract extension, which no other team in this league is allowed to do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 17:47:55 GMT
Should definitely be a rule against this. It really defies logic IMHO. Barber, once you cut him, Lance had a couple options: 1) Sign with you or some other team with cap space for 4 years (including this season...so only 3 additional seasons after this one), making a good chunk of money. 2) Sign with any team that has MLE, including almost all of the contending teams, for the rest of this season, and get himself a ring since this season is so late. He can THEN sign for 5 additional seasons after this one, making himself even more money on a true open market. He eliminates risk that the "him" IRL gets hurt and ends up not being able to make much money for those two seasons for example. I have no issue with you Barber, I just think Option 2, where he locks up a ton of money this year, and gets two additional seasons afterwards, and probably gets to compete for a ring this year (I don't care what age a player is, in this scenario for a quick 1-year deal with his pick of teams who he can clearly see are already competitive, what player does not want to win a ring?)...I think Colangelo made the wrong choice here, that's all. Barber, you cut Lance. You didn't show him commitment. If you are saying you cut him so you can re-sign him, that sounds an awful lot like a contract extension, which no other team in this league is allowed to do. I agree with you said, but I would say "don't hate the playa hate the game." Honestly, I think it's clever what he did because I HATE the resigning rules in this league and he circumvented them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 18:06:27 GMT
Should definitely be a rule against this. It really defies logic IMHO. Barber, once you cut him, Lance had a couple options: 1) Sign with you or some other team with cap space for 4 years (including this season...so only 3 additional seasons after this one), making a good chunk of money. 2) Sign with any team that has MLE, including almost all of the contending teams, for the rest of this season, and get himself a ring since this season is so late. He can THEN sign for 5 additional seasons after this one, making himself even more money on a true open market. He eliminates risk that the "him" IRL gets hurt and ends up not being able to make much money for those two seasons for example. I have no issue with you Barber, I just think Option 2, where he locks up a ton of money this year, and gets two additional seasons afterwards, and probably gets to compete for a ring this year (I don't care what age a player is, in this scenario for a quick 1-year deal with his pick of teams who he can clearly see are already competitive, what player does not want to win a ring?)...I think Colangelo made the wrong choice here, that's all. Barber, you cut Lance. You didn't show him commitment. If you are saying you cut him so you can re-sign him, that sounds an awful lot like a contract extension, which no other team in this league is allowed to do. I agree with you said, but I would say "don't hate the playa hate the game." Honestly, I think it's clever what he did because I HATE the resigning rules in this league and he circumvented them. Not only that it was fair because there was no rule in place before. This situation helps the league. It's legit and legal. Now let's just move on and put a rule in place. Thanks Josh for getting our league that much more organized. Nice signing, although I think you paid way too much. Let's just put the barber rule into effect! |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 28, 2014 20:08:59 GMT
If you both read what I said, I have no problem with Barber, it's not his fault, I am just saying I don't even think a player would realistically come back to the same team that cut him 2 days ago. Maybe never. Stephenson is the type to hold a grudge IMO.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 28, 2014 20:39:39 GMT
I illustrated why a one year deal was the best option for Lance, because he would have had more teams bidding on his talents this off-season with more cap space. It would have given him a big pay day. It is based off of the new cap, and it is a spreadsheet with this years current numbers vs the summer's new numbers. Lance would have gotten 15 million this off-season because there are no other realistic PG/SG free agents. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139wqoVk9Garm61V6Bv61NG219L_5Ci1bOvaKE5K-wmY/edit?usp=sharingEveryone in green had realistic cap room to sign him. Just my 2 cents. But it could have easily been my 14 million. With those 11% increases. |
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 28, 2014 21:21:30 GMT
Rarely do I talk about "serious" league issues like this in public, I only talk about these types of things with 1 or 2 mods (who shall remain nameless).
But stuff like this is more damaging to the "credentials" and "reputation" of the league because you have guys at PA and TM positions who are in power and will I won't say "favoritism" but a little bit more lead or edge in signing FA than the rest of the crew which is unfair.
Just my 2 cents on it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 21:25:11 GMT
Rarely do I talk about "serious" league issues like this in public, I only talk about these types of things with 1 or 2 mods (who shall remain nameless). But stuff like this is more damaging to the "credentials" and "reputation" of the league because you have guys at PA and TM positions who are in power and will I won't say "favoritism" but a little bit more lead or edge in signing FA than the rest of the crew which is unfair. Just my 2 cents on it. I think there should be different members for both. My opinion... |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 28, 2014 22:11:34 GMT
Rarely do I talk about "serious" league issues like this in public, I only talk about these types of things with 1 or 2 mods (who shall remain nameless). But stuff like this is more damaging to the "credentials" and "reputation" of the league because you have guys at PA and TM positions who are in power and will I won't say "favoritism" but a little bit more lead or edge in signing FA than the rest of the crew which is unfair. Just my 2 cents on it. I think there should be different members for both. My opinion... Yes JR, problem is the guys you want to get rid of are probably the ones Magic talks to, so what now? lol |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 28, 2014 22:32:19 GMT
Can someone just have Ian add the rule and then we can be done with it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 22:33:47 GMT
Can someone just have Ian add the rule and then we can be done with it. He added it..lol |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 22:35:59 GMT
I dont want to get rid of anyone. But we need commitee members for both.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 28, 2014 22:56:28 GMT
I illustrated why a one year deal was the best option for Lance, because he would have had more teams bidding on his talents this off-season with more cap space. It would have given him a big pay day. It is based off of the new cap, and it is a spreadsheet with this years current numbers vs the summer's new numbers. Lance would have gotten 15 million this off-season because there are no other realistic PG/SG free agents. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139wqoVk9Garm61V6Bv61NG219L_5Ci1bOvaKE5K-wmY/edit?usp=sharingEveryone in green had realistic cap room to sign him. Just my 2 cents. But it could have easily been my 14 million. With those 11% increases. There's a realism aspect to contract negotiations. I offered more than what Lance ended up signing for because Bryan thought this contract was more realistic regarding Lance's value. We've made it a point in the past, as player agents, to keep contracts somewhat realistic. Obviously there's a personal element to all negotiations, which is why I guess someone like Josh Smith ended up with such a large contract. Overall though, we try to keep things realistic. In Bryan's opinion, this was realistic, so it can be expected that this is around the amount he would have gotten in off season FA as well, he would just be delaying it a year. |
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Post by James Kay on Apr 28, 2014 23:04:35 GMT
I illustrated why a one year deal was the best option for Lance, because he would have had more teams bidding on his talents this off-season with more cap space. It would have given him a big pay day. It is based off of the new cap, and it is a spreadsheet with this years current numbers vs the summer's new numbers. Lance would have gotten 15 million this off-season because there are no other realistic PG/SG free agents. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139wqoVk9Garm61V6Bv61NG219L_5Ci1bOvaKE5K-wmY/edit?usp=sharingEveryone in green had realistic cap room to sign him. Just my 2 cents. But it could have easily been my 14 million. With those 11% increases. I am so confused by this post. This spreadsheet shows the availability of cap space as of right now, not for the summer. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 28, 2014 23:06:27 GMT
Yeah, I understand that Josh. Which is why I'm not all up in arms screaming "THIS IS CRAZY DUMB"
The contract is realistic. What I was trying to illustrate was more of some out side the box thinking, just like you did to maneuver this in to happening which I applaud you for. I agree that what happened is fine and good and all. Just more so throwing a different idea in to the mix.
I agree with Bryan's decision. And I think real life agents would do the same. It comes down to, if he takes a one year to finish it out and takes a chance this off-season vs taking a long term deal now. It is as if he signed an in-season extension, which a lot of agents do if they can get off-season value as Lance got here.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 28, 2014 23:14:05 GMT
I illustrated why a one year deal was the best option for Lance, because he would have had more teams bidding on his talents this off-season with more cap space. It would have given him a big pay day. It is based off of the new cap, and it is a spreadsheet with this years current numbers vs the summer's new numbers. Lance would have gotten 15 million this off-season because there are no other realistic PG/SG free agents. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139wqoVk9Garm61V6Bv61NG219L_5Ci1bOvaKE5K-wmY/edit?usp=sharingEveryone in green had realistic cap room to sign him. Just my 2 cents. But it could have easily been my 14 million. With those 11% increases. I am so confused by this post. This spreadsheet shows the availability of cap space as of right now, not for the summer. There's two sheets. The first demonstrates the available teams and max deals that could have been offered at the time Lance was released. The second sheet demonstrates the available teams and max deals that could have been offered if he were an off-season free agent and with the new cap and no team or player options were declined. The cap space for this summer on the second sheet is more theoretical. If no one declines an option, neither team nor player, and the cap increases to the real life number of 65 million. In any sense, I thought it would be nice for teams to look at and see what they had at that point in time. But, you could be right. I could have majorly fucked it up how I published it. Never published anything via google docs. I'd bet on me being wrong and you being right rather than you not noticing a second sheet because I never use google docs and when I don't have coffee and don't sleep I tend to fuck things up a lot in excel and I didn't double check this like I would for work. |
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