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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 24, 2014 5:40:33 GMT
I propose the Barber Rule: When a player is released by a team, he may not resign with that team until the next offseason period.
This will prevent the situation we have currently with Lance Stephenson. I think that allowing teams to release and then resign their players has the potential to ruin free agency as teams with low salary will be able to lockup their major free agents as those who are clearing cap room with expirings or later trades are at a distinct disadvantage. This is at its heart a simulation league and by allowing this practice I think we are ruining the realistic nature.
FYI: I have nothing against Josh and he did a service to the rest of the league by pointing out this flaw. I also propose that the situation with Lance be able to proceed under old rules even if this is passed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 6:08:18 GMT
Agreed. Except through trading. Although that needs to be examined as well.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 24, 2014 8:42:38 GMT
I'm going to have a look at the real NBA rules some time and come up with something. Obviously we don't want this happening all the time.
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Post by Danny Longley on Apr 24, 2014 9:34:31 GMT
I can't quite find the exact rule, but there was a case back then when the Mavs were trading for Kidd that the league said they would block Stackhouse from resigning with the Mavs if the Nets were to cut him.
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Post by Jay Z on Apr 24, 2014 9:43:14 GMT
64. What happens when a player is released? What are waivers? What is the Stretch provision?
Waivers are a temporary status for players who are released by their team. A team initiates the waiver process by "requesting waivers" on the player they are releasing. *****The player stays "on waivers" for 48 hours (including weekends and holidays), during which time other teams may claim the player and assume his contract***** If no team has claimed the player before the end of the waiver period (which is always 5:00 PM Eastern Time), he "clears waivers." The player's contract is terminated and he becomes a free agent. The only way to terminate a contract early (other than with an ETO -- see question number 58) is through the waiver process.
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Post by Jay Z on Apr 24, 2014 9:46:18 GMT
tldr: for 48 hours any team can take up Barbers obligation to the cut player so it does not count against his cap, after 48 hours, if now team has claimed the player, he becomes a free agent. The bulls did this with Erik Murphy this year, and the Jazz picked him up, clearing the cap hit from Chicago's end and saving them the 500k or so he cost.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 10:27:38 GMT
NBA CBA AGREEMENT: A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30). If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, they can reacquire the player during the same season. www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q99
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 10:29:38 GMT
This was put into rule because if Mr. Longley was saying..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 10:43:20 GMT
I was wrong. That was for traded players. We do need to fix that.
Reading the bargaining agreement is tiring but interesting.
But i think Atl was correct. But we dont use waivers. So its a mess..
A waiver is a temporary status for players who are released by their team. A player released between August 15th and the end of the regular season stays on waivers for 48 hours. A player released at any other time stays on waivers for 10 days. During the waiver period other teams may claim a waived player. If more than one team tries to claim the player, the team with the worst record gets him. If a player on waivers is claimed, the new team acquires his existing contract and pays the remainder of his salary. There is also a fee of $1,000, payable to the league office, for claiming a waived player.
A team can claim a waived player only if one of the following is true: The team is far enough under the salary cap to fit the player's entire salary. The team has a disabled player exception for at least the player's salary. The team has a trade exception for at least the player's salary.
The player's contract is for one or two seasons and he is paid the minimum salary. If no team claims a waived player, he is said to have "cleared waivers." The player may sign with the team of his choice at that point. The player's new team only pays the pro-rated minimum salary to the player. The player's original team continues to pay the balance of the player's salary. For this reason, few players are actually claimed while on waivers.
If a player is waived after March 1, he is ineligible to be included in the playoff roster of any team that signs him for the remainder of that season.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 24, 2014 18:12:01 GMT
I think waivers would be hard to work in. By just not allowing resigning after a player is released we can help easily get rid of this problem
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 29, 2014 0:25:01 GMT
If I may:
A player under contract with his current team may not be released in-season by his current team and then sign with his former team in-season within X number of days (can either be IRL time or in game time).
Seems pretty simple.
I think the whole you can't trade a player, then trade back for them in the same season is a bit much. As many things can happen in that time frame. What if it is an expiring deal that is floating around? Much like West and the Pacers this season. Things happen over periods of the season. Now, if we wanted to make it something like this regarding reacquiring players, we may have something:
A player cannot be reacquired from a team via trade if said player has not spent the minimum X number of days (either IRL or game) on another team.
That way you don't have guys being traded July 1st and then not being able to be reacquired mid season etc. Too many variables change throughout the season. We don't have the foresight to predict what may happen to a team. However, we can restrict it by instituting a clause in which we establish a minimum amount of days a player must be apart from his former team before he is allowed to be reacquired via trade.
just my 2 cents.
We could call the first rule, regarding releases and free agents, the Barber rule. And the second rule regarding trades the Bird rule. Larry didn't necessarily break the rule or anything, but it happened with David West this season.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 30, 2014 21:34:30 GMT
Thanks for all your digging around guys. @griz2385 I'm going to make a bookmark of this website, thanks! So I ended up instating this quite simple rule: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/post/22243/thread"You may not release a player for the purpose of re-signing them outside of the Off Season." We will know if a GM is trying to do this in the future, because if they were not trying to do it they wouldn't bid on the player they released! I think that's all we need to cover it really. I think restricting it, like the NBA, and not allowing a player to be traded back within the same year and stuff like that is not relevant to our league.
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