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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 23, 2014 0:16:03 GMT
Brooklyn Nets Send:
74 Avery Bradley - $2,511,432 - $3,581,302
Total: $2,511,432
Utah Jazz Send:
69 DJ White - $490,180
Mikael Pietrus - $1,000,000 (contract only)
Kwame Brown - $980,360 (contract only)
Indiana Pacers 2017 Second Round Draft Pick
Toronto Raptors 2017 Second Round Draft Pick
Total: $2,470,540
I have a sneaking suspicion that Billy has some conniving plan to load my backcourt so Lance will be less likely to re-sign with me or something, but who knows. I accept.
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Post by Tracy McGrady on Apr 23, 2014 0:18:55 GMT
Racking up those picks Billy!
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Post by Alex English on Apr 23, 2014 1:09:15 GMT
Um ok. Billy loved Avery Bradley last week and he was apparently the main reason he traded away Bogut. Now he's dumping him for some 2nd rounders in a draft that's three and a half years away?
What's the thought process here Billy?
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Post by Alex English on Apr 23, 2014 1:31:35 GMT
I love Avery Bradley but resigning him doesn't make sense with Michael Carter-Williamas as our future point-guard. I guess that makes sense if your are actually getting something in return for him, but you are literally giving him away here. Whatever though, I've never thought Bradley is that great apart from being a defensive specialist. I accept. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 1:42:11 GMT
Hes always planning for picks. That is his plan. Everything else he says is a lie
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 23, 2014 2:12:52 GMT
I get the picks but 2nd rounders? Meh.
I'm inclined to reject, this is not enough value for Avery Bradley, someone who clearly has solid value around the league.
No decision just yet, but leaning reject.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 23, 2014 2:31:27 GMT
O'Really? I have no use for him and don't plan on finding a use for him. I get 2 picks for someone I was going to let walk so yes, I consider that solid value. Let walk in a year and a half? You know he has another year on his contract right? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 4:01:10 GMT
It doesnt matter how many of each position you have. You have been moving trades like this for a while now. Just because Walt values him more and likes the power trip and to run other gms teams. Your teams talented. Let him run his own team guys. I think hes doing just fine.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 23, 2014 6:39:22 GMT
Avery can be a starter, you could get a lot more for him. When I traded away Rondo and Bradley together I held off on including Bradley for as long as possible, until I knew it was the difference between getting 4 picks in return or 6 (1st round) picks! So you can definitely get more for him.
I'm not going to reject but Utah is getting the better end of the deal here by quite a margin.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Apr 23, 2014 13:29:10 GMT
I accept
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 24, 2014 0:20:01 GMT
Someone who clearly has solid value around the league O'Really? I have no use for him and don't plan on finding a use for him. I get 2 picks for someone I was going to let walk so yes, I consider that solid value. Actually I personally don't love Bradley that much, contrary to what JR says. I have just heard plenty of talk on him, and I believe he has a somewhat-recent rating boost to his 77, so he has value, yes. Ian got 2 1sts for him, you got 2 2nds. This is my issue. I have LOOOOONG held that 2nd round picks are basically worthless. People do hit on them very occasionally but generally I wouldn't take 60 2nd round picks for a guy like Bradley, and again I honestly don't like him that much myself, but he's worth more than this. I don't see it killing your team or affecting league balance enough I guess, but I think it's a horrible trade for you, on value, Billy. Guaranteed you could get one 1st for him from someone before NEXT offseason, which would be about 1000x the value you get here. So, bad trade Billy but you don't care apparently, so I'll accept. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 24, 2014 17:03:47 GMT
Walt, if I may, I would like to respectfully disagree with you about the second round picks.
The second round picks are all reward and no risk. You have no obligation to sign a player you draft in the second round. So, theoretically, a team can draft a guy in the second, and wait and see how he develops in real life. If he develops, the team signs him to a cheap contract. If he doesn't there is no loss.
From a financial stand point, where my back ground is in real life, second round picks offer the most return on investment if they blossom in to a decent player. They are all alpha, or return, and no beta, or risk. Having a second round pick, or a plethora of them, is like owning US Govt Bonds in a portfolio. You aren't going to get huge return on them, they won't make you rich over night. But, over the course of time when holding them, they offer a steady return and nearly zero risk. In the case of the second rounders, they are like US Govt Bonds, in the sense that there is zero risk because they is no obligation to sign them but they offer lower return than guys picked in the first round because they rarely become quality players. So, over the course of many years, having a few second round picks each year, will pan out to a low return because of the nature of many of them being misses. But one or two guys will become decent players for at least a few years.
That is just my opinion on the second rounders.
AS far as this trade goes, I think Billy is getting a low return on Bradley. I feel, as Walt does, that Bradley is worth more than a few future second rounders. He MIGHT be worth a few second rounders in this draft because of how much depth there is. There will be quality second round guys in this draft, in my humble opinion. However, the nature of the beast is that our trade market in the league is a lot like our own economy. Sure, some people may feel that a leather jacket is worth 500+ dollars, others may feel it isn't worth more than a 100 dollars. A good, or in this case a player, is only worth as much as he can get on the market. Could Billy have waited a month or so and possibly gotten more? Yes. In this trade, I feel like Josh was looking at the clearance rack and found a 3 dollar shirt that is worth a lot more.
So, in my opinion, good job Josh on finding a great deal. Bad job for Billy, he could have been more patient, holding Bradley in to the off-season would likely have raised his value when teams miss on key free agents and are willing to over pay or at least come near what Bradley's perceived value is around the leage.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 24, 2014 17:16:27 GMT
I am in the middle ground between Charles and Walt's opinion on 2nd round picks. While Walt is right that your chances of getting a usable NBA player out of the 2nd round is probably 1-2% making the 2nds much less valuable than a first rounder.
The reason for this is the difference between the 30th pick in the draft and the 31st is that the 30th pick goes to a good team, usually with a quality coach, and the contract is guaranteed so they can't really be given up on. That 31st pick goes to a terrible team and if they don't like you boom cut let's buy tickets to Europe.
But it's like playing the lottery, the investment is low but if you don't play you can't win either.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 24, 2014 18:00:02 GMT
Trade passed.
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