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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 18, 2014 1:58:34 GMT
Current Rating: 75
Suggested Rating: 78
Other players at 78 include Aaron Brooks, Nate Robinson, etc. I think Burks has a similar impact.
14 points, 3.3 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 0.9 steals. Shoots respectably well - 45.7/35.0/74.8
That's all, he's a solid young player, his minutes shot up by 10 per game this year, and his points and assists doubled with an increase in FT% (3.5%)& FG% (3.7%)
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 18, 2014 3:31:14 GMT
77
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 19, 2014 14:27:50 GMT
Burks has some nice stats because he's playing for a cellar-dweller that tanked all season long, rested their best guys just to tank, and as a result Burks got the ball an inordinate amount of the time. He's such an amazing finisher, but I think a 77 is good for him for now. If the Jazz start pushing for the playoffs next year or the year after and Burks is still a primary scoring option, bump him into the 80s for sure.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 19, 2014 15:40:57 GMT
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Apr 19, 2014 19:07:59 GMT
78
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Post by John Stockton on Jul 27, 2014 19:18:16 GMT
78
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 27, 2014 23:06:44 GMT
78
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 29, 2014 2:56:21 GMT
Burks is a SG, comparing him to those PG's isn't fair. But I do believe the guy should be a 78. My reasoning can be found in the SG Analysis
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 29, 2014 3:13:00 GMT
This is also a 3-month old post, some of my opinions and thought processes have changed.
I will say though, neither Brooks nor Nate Rob is a true PG. They do play more PG than anything else so I agree, not the perfect comps, but I did say a similar impact on the game.
I don't really want to just use the "these guys are a 78 right now and this guy is as good or better so he should be at least a 78 too" argument, though I don't think 78 is way off for Burks. Maybe a 76 or 77 for now is more appropriate though.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 29, 2014 3:51:30 GMT
This is also a 3-month old post, some of my opinions and thought processes have changed. I will say though, neither Brooks nor Nate Rob is a true PG. They do play more PG than anything else so I agree, not the perfect comps, but I did say a similar impact on the game. I don't really want to just use the "these guys are a 78 right now and this guy is as good or better so he should be at least a 78 too" argument, though I don't think 78 is way off for Burks. Maybe a 76 or 77 for now is more appropriate though. Burks puts up 14 a game, on 45.7% shooting, on 10.7 attempts a game. 35% on 1.8 from 3. 4.8 FTA a game on 74.8% from the line. 3.3 Boards, 2.7 AST, 0.9 STL, 1.9 TOV. OJ Mayo: We just lowered him, mind you, to a 78. 40.7% from the field on 10.6 attempts, 37% from three on 4.4 attempts, 1.7 FTA on 86.4 FT%, 3.4 boards, 2.2 assists, 0.5 steals, 1.8 TOV, 11.5 PPG. I could rest my case there, but... Advanced: Burks: 15.8 PER, 54.7 TS%, 48.7% eFG, 44.9 FTr, 0.172 3PAr, 3.2 total WS. 23.9% Usage. Mayo: 11.2 PER, 51.6 TS%, 48.4 eFG%, 16.0 FTr, 41.3 3PAr, 0.1 total WS. 23% Usage. I rest my case your honor. EDIT: I can't spell |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 29, 2014 4:08:52 GMT
Charles, my main counter at this point is your philosophy of completely ignoring any past of these players. I do think our ratings should be heavily skewed towards the present, but it's possible Mayo had a bit of a down year and Burks could have just had his best season of his career.
It's also possible Burks improves greatly, but we don't know that yet (either way, good or bad). I'd like to see Burks do it for longer before bumping him too high, that's all.
Mayo is an interesting one b/c I'm not a big fan of his in general, but he has put up numbers before. Again, I see the merit in basing things on the present but I do think they need to be based in a player's career arc, sometimes, at least partially.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 29, 2014 4:13:28 GMT
Charles, my main counter at this point is your philosophy of completely ignoring any past of these players. I do think our ratings should be heavily skewed towards the present, but it's possible Mayo had a bit of a down year and Burks could have just had his best season of his career. It's also possible Burks improves greatly, but we don't know that yet (either way, good or bad). I'd like to see Burks do it for longer before bumping him too high, that's all. Mayo is an interesting one b/c I'm not a big fan of his in general, but he has put up numbers before. Again, I see the merit in basing things on the present but I do think they need to be based in a player's career arc, sometimes, at least partially. I understand. While my theory may be disagreed upon around the league, it is why we have a vote. My vote only counts as much as anyone else's. I mean, I think DeMar and Dragic should be 86's and Harden a 90, and Wade an 82, and Allen a 74. But that isn't going to happen. But those are my votes. I respect your opinion, a lot. And I picked Mayo specifically because he had a down year, but if you check the spread sheet, Burks compares pretty well with a lot of other players in the 78 range, now whether they should be 78's is another sotry. I like our system, and hate the idea of putting in benchmarks, but that would make things easier. It would also piss everyone in the league off at one point or another. Benchmarks are a cop out. I like what we do. My stat comparison was just because you said you didn't like the oh he is a 78. EDIT: But my vote on him is a 78, we didn't officially close the vote, and the new guys got to put their opinion in, so it isn't a terrible thing. We will just get to him later than others. |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 16, 2015 0:09:03 GMT
thread closed
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