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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 15:58:11 GMT
Ty..
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 4, 2014 16:16:05 GMT
I dont usually comment on other GMs trades, but I think this trade is fair enough that if both teams want to do it, they should be allowed to do it. I understand the arguments from both GMs and the TC members but just like with any trade there are always risks involved that could either help or hurt a team in the future. Also there was a trade passed that 20 GMs in this league voted as being unfair to 5 GMs voting it fair. That trade involved a team trading an All Star & 2 starters for 1 draft pick. I know the 2 trades are very different in a lot ways but it involved 2 new GMs that were given the freedom to run their teams as they saw fit by the TC. This trade involves 2 veteran GMs that want to run their teams their way, regardless of what popular opinion may be on each of their plans. Unfortunately, sometimes some TC members feel the need to step in. Awhile back, I felt pretty strongly about a trade being very bad for one team. After a lot of arguments just like this, I stood back and let it pass with great reservations. That was where Paul George got traded for what turned out to be Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. I'm not saying this will be that bad, but I honestly don't think it's really that good for either team. And also, JR has a track record of steadily running that team into the ground over the long haul. Just my opinion. We may get the other two accepts needed shortly, and I'll live with it, but I can't put in an accept on this trade, it's just not a good one, especially for the Spurs Franchise. |
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Post by Alex English on Apr 4, 2014 18:24:05 GMT
Fuck it. I'm going to let it lie. I accept.
I think a year from now it will look like a nuclear bomb went off in the locker rooms of both these teams. But these two GMs are so stubborn in the outlook their attitude is belligerent. The long term outcome here will be disastrous, but as previously said it's more or less equally unfair for both of these guys. The only point in their favour is that I think both these guys will stick around.
JR should enjoy the next 45 games if this trade passes because they will be the last moments of success for the team unless he manages to dump a massive amount of salary. I will be shocked if he can pull that feat off.
Billy had a near contending team that he's throwing away for the near impossible task of hitting consecutive home runs in free agency. I agree with Josh, I think it's because he is bored.
The best part is that they each think they've pulled the wool over the other's eyes. It's a match made in hell.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Apr 4, 2014 18:43:49 GMT
I accept, reading what everyone wrote made sense but Josh nailed it. I get Billy you want to do this but you had one of the best teams in the east and you just traded it all away. Hopefully free agents are intrigued by playing with 2nd year MCW, but money isn't just the factor in free agents.
JR: You win this deal since you get a great player in Iggy but take on a horrible contract in Amare. Hopefully you can pull some strings and get cap space to re-sign thomas and iggy but if you can't, well you're screwed.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 4, 2014 18:49:27 GMT
I accept, reading what everyone wrote made sense but Josh nailed it. I get Billy you want to do this but you had one of the best teams in the east and you just traded it all away. Hopefully free agents are intrigued by playing with 2nd year MCW, but money isn't just the factor in free agents. JR: You win this deal since you get a great player in Iggy but take on a horrible contract in Amare. Hopefully you can pull some strings and get cap space to re-sign thomas and iggy but if you can't, well you're screwed. Don't forget he gives up one of his 2 remaining 1st round picks. So when he's screwed, he's extra screwed. But yes Billy, trade passed at 3-1. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 4, 2014 18:54:51 GMT
And the true Billy comes out. Way to lie your way through this thread Billy, good showing of character!
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Apr 4, 2014 18:56:29 GMT
That 2017 pick is top 1-3 guaranteed, JR won't have the bull shit ratings he had this year to help him. IT2 is gone, Iguodala is gone, and he's over the cap for a while. Jr has one person under contract in 2017, so i wouldnt say he's "over the cap for awhile". |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 4, 2014 18:58:08 GMT
This year and Next though he's just going to lose his two best players this offseason, not be able to sign anyone for next season except one MLE player, and then no one will want to come play for his team in the 2016 season.
He'll make trades I am sure but I don't see him clearing that much salary, and he'll likely bring in more run-down players that still won't attract players to his team.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 4, 2014 20:40:04 GMT
You're the one who made it increasingly harder and harder to give up the pick. And it wasn't the fact that you were making moves before securing it; it was the way in which you went about trying to acquire the pick.
But yes, thanks for being dumb enough to destroy what was arguably the best team in the East to gamble in free agency, because that is any more practical, as you put it, than drafting quality talent. All because you got bored.
In my opinion, which shouldn't really count for anything, you think you got away with highway robbery by trading nothing of value for a 2017 lottery pick that will likely decrease significantly in value if a new age rule gets put in place. And, my guess is, you pretty much did it by pressuring JR in to trading to push for a playoff run, when you said, in this very thread, he is still a 10-12 seed with out any other moves. At least show respect publicly about it. True winners are humble in victory and gracious in defeat but it seems like you wouldn't know since you went out 4-2 to Boston last year in the first.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 4, 2014 22:46:53 GMT
I haven't had the time to read this immense thread until now. It looks like it's accepted already.
My personal feelings are that is bad for the Nets but interesting for the Spurs.
You need a promising player or two on your team to be a free-agent pull. Brooklyn has Michael Carter-Williams who might win ROTY in the NBA this year, but it's an epically weak rookie crop this year which makes the accolade diminish in importance, and the list of upcoming free agents (that aren't under bird-rights and likely to re-sign) is pretty shallow, not enough to make up for the talent that's left BKN.
JR acquires some guys that he could perhaps turn into something worthwhile later? Taking on salaries in this league doesn't have nearly as bad an impact as it does in real life, where money is real! You can quite easily ship them to someone and re-tool your team. If JR's going to keep them though, and make a run at the playoffs, then meh, I dunno, has an 8th Seed ever won the championship? It's not really a long-term strategy.
Trade's passed.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 6, 2014 17:45:39 GMT
Fixed now.
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