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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 16:10:59 GMT
Orlando Trades:
75 Josh Childress $7,182,500 $7,317,500 76 Jose Barea $4,687,000 $4,519,500 77 Andray Blatche $7,794,921 $8,471,339 72 Tyler Hansbrough $4,255,423
Total-$23,919,844 Spurs Trade:
79 Leandro Barbosa $8,242,624 $8,242,625 69 Kosta Koufos $3,000,000 $3,000,000 76 Drew Gooden $6,687,400 $6,687,400 66 Christian Eyenga $2,052,935 $3,079,402 2014 #1 LAL 2014 #2 DAL 2016 #2 SA
Total-$19,982,959
I believe it works under the trade regulations.
We accept this trade. We lose picks, but we feel with the talent we have after this trade we can enjoy getting back into the playoffs. We needed guards and we feel our depth is stronger than ever. We are also saving some cap which is a need we need to address at the time we decide to rebuild a different way. We have youth, but we also have vets that should back our young guys up well. It's a move our team feels is a need and a must have to continue to improve after having the worst record last season. I believe the picks were worth getting a couple scorers while getting rid of three contracts we don't need or want-Barbosa-Gooden-Eyenga..
SA ROSTER
Isaiah Thomas-Jose Barea-Nolan Smith Arron Affalo-Mike Miller-Josh Childress Michael Beasley-Tayshaun Prince-Gerald Green-DJ White Tristan Thompson-Andray Blatche-Tyler Hansbrough Greg Oden-Channing Frye-Al Harrington
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Post by Walt Frazier on Aug 29, 2013 16:19:18 GMT
So you get rid of Eyenga/Gooden/Barbosa but take on Blatche/Childress/Barea. I don't really see why you have to give up a 1st? The 2nds, whatever, but a 1st?
JR I just don't believe any of the talent you are getting is actually any type of significant upgrade that would be worth giving up a 1st.
I'll think about it but right now it's not making sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 16:40:49 GMT
Koufos and Blatche equal out...
I save about 4 mil going into next season with this trade. Digging out of the salary bind we are in. It's not much but it's something.-half of having Gooden/Eyengas contracts
Gooden may retire soon and he's an average sim player. Ive tried to get rid of his contract for over a year....
Barea played with us last season. He plays well In the game and can be a scoring machine while backing up Thomas and helping hand out assists. He may even at some point play SG.
Childress has always been a scorer who has his ups and downs. He's well worth the risk, because he can still get us points when out starters can't hit.
I'm not trying to rebuild all the way. Players like contending, but they also like to win. They like to make it to the post season and to see what they are made of.
Oden make have a break out year and if we are winning and make the playoffs... He and Isaiah may resign long term with Tristan... It's a what if but that's how I see it.
First Rounder-no matter if you agree or not--Barea/Blatche
2nd-Contracts are better and I save some cap..
2nd-just to make the trade happen, to get the scorers we believe will help our youth get better and make noise in the playoffs.
All In all we feel we wanted to build this way and not the draft. We have talent and we will take risks to make Spur basketball fun again with winning and fighting together as a team.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 16:45:45 GMT
"JR I just don't believe any of the talent you are getting is actually any type of significant upgrade that would be worth giving up a 1st."
-- That's an opinion not a fact.
-- It's my team, I'm active and one of the Vet gms. I'm not going anywhere and I'm active and want to win. It doesn't make the team and worse to where if I died someone else couldn't make moves to get picks again. Opinion is yours. It's a fair trade and we feel that's the direction we need to take at the moment.
Sincerely,
JR Wiles- GM San Antonio Spurs
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 17:31:59 GMT
"JR I just don't believe any of the talent you are getting is actually any type of significant upgrade that would be worth giving up a 1st." -- That's an opinion not a fact. -- It's my team, I'm active and one of the Vet gms. I'm not going anywhere and I'm active and want to win. It doesn't make the team and worse to where if I died someone else couldn't make moves to get picks again. Opinion is yours. It's a fair trade and we feel that's the direction we need to take at the moment. Sincerely, JR Wiles- GM San Antonio Spurs It is a fact that you are also the same GM who dismantled the Spurs in one season! I agree with Walt on this, what are you really getting that would be worth the Lakers 2014 1st? I am not sure if you noticed or not but the Pacific Division got a lot tougher with Dwight and Iggy going to the Warriors while Josh Smith and Danny Granger are heading to Sacramento. That should bump the Lakers down a notch or two, and they may not even make the playoffs due to the fact the Western Conference appears to be crazy on paper.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 17:58:20 GMT
"JR I just don't believe any of the talent you are getting is actually any type of significant upgrade that would be worth giving up a 1st." -- That's an opinion not a fact. -- It's my team, I'm active and one of the Vet gms. I'm not going anywhere and I'm active and want to win. It doesn't make the team and worse to where if I died someone else couldn't make moves to get picks again. Opinion is yours. It's a fair trade and we feel that's the direction we need to take at the moment. Sincerely, JR Wiles- GM San Antonio Spurs It is a fact that you are also the same GM who dismantled the Spurs in one season! I agree with Walt on this, what are you really getting that would be worth the Lakers 2014 1st? I am not sure if you noticed or not but the Pacific Division got a lot tougher with Dwight and Iggy going to the Warriors while Josh Smith and Danny Granger are heading to Sacramento. That should bump the Lakers down a notch or two, and they may not even make the playoffs due to the fact the Western Conference appears to be crazy on paper. Also is a FACT that I took my Spurs to the WCF with the roster I assembled. We had the best record in the West and had the second best record in the league. Losing Duncan hurt.. It's the past... I moved on, but him leaving put us in the position we are in. I'm active and as long as we make the playoffs and get better and have fun, we will continue to look to better our team in the direction that we want. The Lakers pick "might" become something of value but neither is that a fact. Again some of the value after this trade could be turned into picks if that's the direction I wanted to go. The Spurs are about winning and that was not us last season. We will make the playoffs... Let me run my team. I'm not going anywhere. I'm working on my 3rd season with D5 and I've always been active and comitted.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Aug 29, 2013 19:02:20 GMT
I accept, reasoning in a few hours because I have soccer.
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Post by Chris Mullin on Aug 29, 2013 19:24:55 GMT
I save about 4 mil going into next season with this trade. Digging out of the salary bind we are in. It's not much but it's something.-half of having Gooden/Eyengas contracts I don't normally ever post in other team's trades, however SA you don't clear up $4 million in cap space going into next season after this trade. The number is closer to $700k because you're taking on $4 million more than you're trading right now. Don't know if that matters or not to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 19:28:11 GMT
It is a fact that you are also the same GM who dismantled the Spurs in one season! I agree with Walt on this, what are you really getting that would be worth the Lakers 2014 1st? I am not sure if you noticed or not but the Pacific Division got a lot tougher with Dwight and Iggy going to the Warriors while Josh Smith and Danny Granger are heading to Sacramento. That should bump the Lakers down a notch or two, and they may not even make the playoffs due to the fact the Western Conference appears to be crazy on paper. Also is a FACT that I took my Spurs to the WCF with the roster I assembled. We had the best record in the West and had the second best record in the league. Losing Duncan hurt.. It's the past... I moved on, but him leaving put us in the position we are in. I'm active and as long as we make the playoffs and get better and have fun, we will continue to look to better our team in the direction that we want. The Lakers pick "might" become something of value but neither is that a fact. Again some of the value after this trade could be turned into picks if that's the direction I wanted to go. The Spurs are about winning and that was not us last season. We will make the playoffs... Let me run my team. I'm not going anywhere. I'm working on my 3rd season with D5 and I've always been active and comitted. Duncan's departure can be, at least partially, contributed to the fact that you ran your team into the ground. You traded Parker and Manu for a bunch of old high rated 70 players with big long contracts. Honestly, the Spurs would still be a playoff team if Duncan left them at the same point he left you. No, you derive your conclusion about the Lakers' 2014 First from a false premise. The Lakers will possess some value, as all draft picks possess some value, but rather the questions becomes how much will it be worth. I gave good evidence to suggest it maybe a worth quiet a bit, and certainly should not be in this deal even if it ends up in the 20's or 30's. Can you tell me that you really think you are going to make the playoffs next year? To be brutally honesty, you are CLEARLY the worst team in a very tough Western Conference. Oh, and I don't care how "veteran" you think you are because I bet money I have been doing sim leagues the longest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 21:10:19 GMT
Yes I do see us getting into the playoffs with this trade. The sim is a game and I have several players and depth the can get us into the playoffs at least. I traded Parker early In season one and we still had the best record in the west. I didn't trade Manu until after Duncan left when I knew it was time to rebuild. And we don't have the worst team and after all is said and done this coming season... Lets see which of us gets further ok. As for sims I've ran and helped run leagues. I've simmed 2-3 and have had several teams on several leagues. Those leagues don't matter though. I'm an active vet GM here at D5 and as long as I can run my team I'm going to stay here.
I just don't understand why some of you have to get involved if your not a CM. Are you that scared we might get a playoff spot and you won't.
As for saving cap, it's not a big deal. Not yet. When it is ill make those moves, but right now we just want to make things fun and surprise gms and make the playoffs. I won't stay In a league that won't allow me to win. I'm not going to wait 2 more seasons. No reason too..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 22:00:13 GMT
Yes I do see us getting into the playoffs with this trade. The sim is a game and I have several players and depth the can get us into the playoffs at least. I traded Parker early In season one and we still had the best record in the west. I didn't trade Manu until after Duncan left when I knew it was time to rebuild. And we don't have the worst team and after all is said and done this coming season... Lets see which of us gets further ok. As for sims I've ran and helped run leagues. I've simmed 2-3 and have had several teams on several leagues. Those leagues don't matter though. I'm an active vet GM here at D5 and as long as I can run my team I'm going to stay here. I just don't understand why some of you have to get involved if your not a CM. Are you that scared we might get a playoff spot and you won't. As for saving cap, it's not a big deal. Not yet. When it is ill make those moves, but right now we just want to make things fun and surprise gms and make the playoffs. I won't stay In a league that won't allow me to win. I'm not going to wait 2 more seasons. No reason too.. Lol wow! After that statement I say let this trade go through, give Wiggins to English, and let the Spurs wallow in their losing.
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Post by Alex English on Aug 29, 2013 23:18:22 GMT
Whatever, I'll accept this. I believe JR when he says he's committed to sticking around and I think that as long as he is the GM of the team that the trajectory of the Spurs won't change.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Aug 30, 2013 3:27:04 GMT
The only reason I didn't reject immediately is this was JR. Whether that is a good thing or not I'm not sure yet, I still just look at this deal and don't see myself accepting it.
Koufos > Blatche (especially when factoring in money) Barbosa > Childress (both paid quite a lot, I'd rather have Barbosa, better player and higher rating) Gooden < Barea (Barea is a better player and paid less) Eyenga < Hansbrough (Hansbrough is a better player, though in this case, only having one year of salary is a bad thing, just my opinion. If Tyler had more years it would be better for JR, to lock up a useful piece longer, but anyway, this still favors Hansbrough).
So, to this point, this trade is basically even to me. Now, a 1st rounder in the best class since 2003 is just thrown in? I don't care too much about the 2nds, I think they are enough to balance out anything that might be in JR's favor as far as minimal money savings...but why the 1st?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 3:58:29 GMT
You said it Walt.. "You" would rather have Barbosa. Not me. I needed backup scorers. The Spurs IRL may be signing him as well. Kinda funny. Koufos has a better contact then Blatche but I consider him better than Koufos. He's still young and he is talented. If you look at his stats the past season he did very well playing just 25mpg. Barea is a great sim scorer and Hansbrough is a decent backup. I truly believe Blatche and Barea combined are worth a first. Any player I get in the draft would be rated lower. The 2nds are for trading me who I wanted and for taking on Goodens contract who I've been wanting to get rid of forever. I never wanted Eyenga but did so to acquire Affalo and Gerald Green. I'm not a patient GM to sit here and have another losing season and my younger guys all want to win now and not wait till later. I like it for my team and its something we really want to do. It doesn't make us worse, and like others said they know I'm not going anywhere and even if so there's talent here still to get picks. You guys will be surprised with the Spurs this season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 4:04:23 GMT
#0 Andray Blatche Brooklyn Nets2013 Record: 49-33 PPG RPG APG 10.3 5.1 1.0
#41 Kosta Koufos Memphis Grizzlies2013 Record: 56-26 PPG RPG APG 8.0 6.9 0.4 -----
#28 Leandro Barbosa Washington Wizards2013 Record: 29-53 PPG RPG APG 5.2 1.1 1.4
#11 J.J. Barea Minnesota Timberwolves2013 Record: 31-51 PPG RPG APG 11.3 2.8 4.0
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 4:44:42 GMT
You really think I won't make the Playoffs. It's not all about ratings. Come playoff time yes. Until then depth.
Isaiah Thomas(76)-Jose Barea(76)-Nolan Smith(66) Arron Affalo(76)-Mike Miller(80*)-Josh Childress(75) Michael Beasley(79)-Tayshaun Prince(79)-Gerald Green(77)-DJ White(69) Tristan Thompson(76)-Andray Blatche(77)-Tyler Hansbrough(72) Greg Oden(71*)-Channing Frye(78)-Al Harrington(79)
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Post by Ian Noble on Aug 30, 2013 12:59:54 GMT
I'm really surprised you're not clinging to that Lakers 1st like it's the holy grail, JR. But like Alex I'm tempted to accept just because.
Your team would never make the playoffs imho.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Aug 30, 2013 13:03:15 GMT
Depth does not matter in this game JR. Stars win, even in the regular season. It helps to have 3-4 mid-70's rated guys on your bench, no doubt, but if all your starters are rated under 80 you have absolutely zero chance of making any noise, regular season, or playoffs.
And you are right JR, those are my opinions, but that's part of why I am where I am is to look at things through my own eyes, just like the other committee members, and express our opinion on whether or not a trade is fair or not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 15:15:45 GMT
Lol wow! After that statement I say let this trade go through, give Wiggins to English, and let the Spurs wallow in their losing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 5:51:02 GMT
Bump
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 2, 2013 17:03:12 GMT
I'll accept.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Sept 3, 2013 1:00:13 GMT
JR I like you man, and I know you take trade rejections really hard, but this is nothing personal.
I truly believe in my heart that this is an unfair trade by a wide enough margin to reject, so...
I am rejecting.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Sept 3, 2013 1:01:11 GMT
You really think I won't make the Playoffs. It's not all about ratings. Come playoff time yes. Until then depth. Isaiah Thomas(76)-Jose Barea(76)-Nolan Smith(66) Arron Affalo(76)-Mike Miller(80*)-Josh Childress(75) Michael Beasley(79)-Tayshaun Prince(79)-Gerald Green(77)-DJ White(69) Tristan Thompson(76)-Andray Blatche(77)-Tyler Hansbrough(72) Greg Oden(71*)-Channing Frye(78)-Al Harrington(79) Also, what is the point of getting to the playoffs if you have no chance at competing for the title? You should build a better core going forward, not just try your hardest to end up as the 8 seed and get stomped.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 14:36:45 GMT
You really think I won't make the Playoffs. It's not all about ratings. Come playoff time yes. Until then depth. Isaiah Thomas(76)-Jose Barea(76)-Nolan Smith(66) Arron Affalo(76)-Mike Miller(80*)-Josh Childress(75) Michael Beasley(79)-Tayshaun Prince(79)-Gerald Green(77)-DJ White(69) Tristan Thompson(76)-Andray Blatche(77)-Tyler Hansbrough(72) Greg Oden(71*)-Channing Frye(78)-Al Harrington(79) Also, what is the point of getting to the playoffs if you have no chance at competing for the title? You should build a better core going forward, not just try your hardest to end up as the 8 seed and get stomped. Lets get this done. Approved or not so I can move on. Thanks
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Post by Walt Frazier on Sept 8, 2013 4:49:10 GMT
Got an Accept from Alex and Ian, and a Reject from Me. Need at least one of Barber/Nique to vote, hopefully both!
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Sept 8, 2013 13:01:14 GMT
I'm tempted to accept this as well, but I'm just afraid we're gonna be looking back at this after the draft and wondering how it ever got passed.
Sorry guys, I'm gonna reject as well. Leave it up to Dominique
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Sept 8, 2013 15:05:32 GMT
Ok, While I don't necessarily like the trade overall, I like JR's passion for his team, that has never be in question. I personally don't think the trade is bad enough to reject. I probably wouldn't have given the 1st rounder in the deal, but it's not my deal and as long as JR stands by his team, I'm ok w it.
So, I'll accept the deal.
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 8, 2013 17:59:43 GMT
Rightyo thanks Dominique.
Trade passed.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 19, 2014 14:29:56 GMT
Processed.
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