New Wolves/Spurs

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Minnesota Trades:

72 Mickell Gladness $490,180 $490,180(TO)
76 Isaiah Thomas $762,195 $884,293

Total: $1,252,375

San Antonio Trades:

74 Luke Babbitt $1,892,280 $2,902,758(TO) $4,078,374
ORL 2015 1st

Total: $1,892,280

We Accept. Thomas contract is expiring but we want him to be our future PG and leader. *note to all player agents for next season.

[Walt Frazier]

Accept. I'm a fan of Isaiah but I'm not sure he is going to want to return after this coming season, since Rubio is pretty locked in here for a long time. Getting a likely lotto 1st is solid IMO for Isaiah, since he might leave, but ORL is also making improvements so it's not a robbery IMO.

[Ian Noble]

I'll wait to give my final verdict, but dammit JR, first round picks should be like gold dust to you surely?

Blake's taken Orlando to good places, but there's no guarantee that the Magic will sufficiently improve such that their 2015 pick will not be lottery bound.

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Look seriously I'm aggressive and I want to win, but at the same time I'm not going to sit around the league and lose not knowing for sure how long the league will go. I'm hoping a while and I believe in you Ian. That said I need a young quality PG and I'm hoping since I'm giving up this pick for him he will understand we want him after this year as well. Timmy is the past, but to better my team this is what I want to do. It's a fair trade and the pick may not end up being a lotto. I'm active even when losing. Isn't that what you want from a GM? Lets not bring up the past, but let me run my team so I am active and so that I do stay with the league.

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[Dominique Wilkins]

Ok I've re-thought this a bit and decided to change my mind, Reject.

Isiah Thomas is a nice piece but his playing time in SA is going to be limited behind the vet's. His rating IRL isn't going to improve a whole lot with all the G's in Sac, but things could change depending on how they use him. His value isn't equal to a fairly high lotto pick IMO.

The Orlando pick will probably be a lotto pick in 2015. Orlando has made some moves and drafted some young talent this season. Those youngsters are going to need time to develop and mature. I don't look for the team to win many games their first few seasons. Plus Orlando is cash strapped atm and for the next few years unless he changes that situation which also means no real FA's to speak of going to Florida anytime soon.

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Jul 25, 2013 4:41:49 GMT Dominique Wilkins said:

Ok I've re-thought this a bit and decided to change my mind, Reject.

Isiah Thomas is a nice piece but his playing time in SA is going to be limited behind the vet's. His rating IRL isn't going to improve a whole lot with all the G's in Sac, but things could change depending on how they use him. His value isn't equal to a fairly high lotto pick IMO.

The Orlando pick will probably be a lotto pick in 2015. Orlando has made some moves and drafted some young talent this season. Those youngsters are going to need time to develop and mature. I don't look for the team to win many games their first few seasons. Plus Orlando is cash strapped atm and for the next few years unless he changes that situation which also means no real FA's to speak of going to Florida anytime soon.

Seriously... How can we allow CMs to change their mind...

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And I'm trading for him to be the starting PG... Not a backup

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He's a beast of a PG and if you look at his game logs he def is the PG we need and believe it. If I could acquire Bledsoe as well... Wow I would love my starting backcourt...

[Glenn Robinson]

What happens if Vasquez starts over Thomas in Sacramento this year? Does that change your mind JR?

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Jul 25, 2013 16:00:11 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

What happens if Vasquez starts over Thomas in Sacramento this year? Does that change your mind JR?

No because hes the guy I want. I don't even have a legit PG on this team and that's why I am trading for Thomas.

[Glenn Robinson]

Jul 25, 2013 16:01:35 GMT @griz2385 said:

Jul 25, 2013 16:00:11 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

What happens if Vasquez starts over Thomas in Sacramento this year? Does that change your mind JR?

No because hes the guy I want. I don't even have a legit PG on this team and that's why I am trading for Thomas.

I was just wondering. Makes sense though. He will be a good PG for your team.

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espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6472/isaiah-thomas

His PER is high, his game logs are nice and his stats would be much higher if he would have played more at the beginning of last season...

I believe he will stay their starting PG and I want him as my Starting PG...

[Alex English]

I think Thomas is basically going to have the same exact career Nate Robinson is having. Thomas looks like he might be a little better though. He is not a franchise PG and I doubt he'll ever play more than 30 mpg for an entire season. He'll be an explosive 6th man off the bench or an average starter on a bad team.

This trade obviously depends on how good the pick will be. If we look at the Magic roster it should be a top 10 pick easily and maybe top 5. This is his core going forward:

Jonas Valanciunas
Anthony Bennett
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Trey Burke
Corey Joseph
Shabbazz Muhammed
Rudy Gobert
Archie Goodwin

That's a very good group to build on but in two seasons how many of those guys will have earned significant rating boosts? I think the only one we can reliably say is Jonas who I think will have a low 80s rating at best in two seasons. Nobody else can really be predicted. So assuming Orlando has a bunch of high 70s rated players, since that's the rating most high level prospect get, then by that time his team will have a lot of upside but they'll also have a shitty record.

I like what Blake is doing with his team but I still think that 2015 pick will be a very high selection. The pick is too valuable at the moment for just Isaiah Thomas so I vote to reject.

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Jul 25, 2013 16:32:50 GMT Alex English said:

I think Thomas is basically going to have the same exact career Nate Robinson is having. Thomas looks like he might be a little better though. He is not a franchise PG and I doubt he'll ever play more than 30 mpg for an entire season. He'll be an explosive 6th man off the bench or an average starter on a bad team.

This trade obviously depends on how good the pick will be. If we look at the Magic roster it should be a top 10 pick easily and maybe top 5. This is his core going forward:

Jonas Valanciunas
Anthony Bennett
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Trey Burke
Corey Joseph
Shabbazz Muhammed
Rudy Gobert
Archie Goodwin

That's a very good group to build on but in two seasons how many of those guys will have earned significant rating boosts? I think the only one we can reliably say is Jonas who I think will have a low 80s rating at best in two seasons. Nobody else can really be predicted. So assuming Orlando has a bunch of high 70s rated players, since that's the rating most high level prospect get, then by that time his team will have a lot of upside but they'll also have a shitty record.

I like what Blake is doing with his team but I still think that 2015 pick will be a very high selection. The pick is too valuable at the moment for just Isaiah Thomas so I vote to reject.

The pick and how good or bad it is has nothing to do with what I'm trying to do. Orlando has a young team, but that's two seasons away. A lot could change. I just don't understand how we can't run our own teams. It's basically worthless to even be a GM in this league!

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I'll accept. Thomas is decent and there's no telling what the pick will be. Better off going with the sure thing.

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Jul 25, 2013 17:15:28 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'll accept. Thomas is decent and there's no telling what the pick will be. Better off going with the sure thing.

Exactly. So it's 1-2 now since some CMs want to change their minds...

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I think there should be a rule just like when posting a trade. Once you post, you can't take a trade back. So if a CM accepts that should be their answer.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 25, 2013 16:32:50 GMT Alex English said:

I think Thomas is basically going to have the same exact career Nate Robinson is having. Thomas looks like he might be a little better though. He is not a franchise PG and I doubt he'll ever play more than 30 mpg for an entire season. He'll be an explosive 6th man off the bench or an average starter on a bad team.

This trade obviously depends on how good the pick will be. If we look at the Magic roster it should be a top 10 pick easily and maybe top 5. This is his core going forward:

Jonas Valanciunas
Anthony Bennett
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Trey Burke
Corey Joseph
Shabbazz Muhammed
Rudy Gobert
Archie Goodwin

That's a very good group to build on but in two seasons how many of those guys will have earned significant rating boosts? I think the only one we can reliably say is Jonas who I think will have a low 80s rating at best in two seasons. Nobody else can really be predicted. So assuming Orlando has a bunch of high 70s rated players, since that's the rating most high level prospect get, then by that time his team will have a lot of upside but they'll also have a shitty record.

I like what Blake is doing with his team but I still think that 2015 pick will be a very high selection. The pick is too valuable at the moment for just Isaiah Thomas so I vote to reject.

Let's not forget Orlando is in the East. I believe the Bucks were pretty close to making the playoffs late this season in this league. Here is their team - note, zero players above a 79. Milwaukee finished the season only 3 games out of the playoffs.

76 Andre Drummond
79 Anthony Davis
77 Chandler Parsons
75 Bradley Beal
79 Brandon Knight
75 Jose Calderon
75 Mike Dunleavy
78 Aaron Brooks
71 Jeremy Lamb
71 Kendall Marshall
75 Donte Greene
73 Zaza Pachulia
75 Jason Smith
73 John Henson
77 Rudy Fernandez

Orlando has a pretty similar look going forward, lots and lots of 70+ rated players, a few in the higher 70's counting some of the guys he just drafted. He could be in a very similar spot to MIL this season, and then by the next season, could very well make the playoffs. That's the pick we'd be talking about. I think saying he's a 5, easy top 10 pick is just overlooking some real evidence we have right now that a team like that can push for the playoffs in the East.

[Alex English]

Jul 25, 2013 18:08:10 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Orlando has a pretty similar look going forward, lots and lots of 70+ rated players, a few in the higher 70's counting some of the guys he just drafted. He could be in a very similar spot to MIL this season, and then by the next season, could very well make the playoffs. That's the pick we'd be talking about. I think saying he's a 5, easy top 10 pick is just overlooking some real evidence we have right now that a team like that can push for the playoffs in the East.

True enough. I'm not sure the East will stay this bad though. But whatever, this trade is Ian's decision. Whatever his vote is will be the verdict.

[Ian Noble]

I suppose it's an accept then.

Trade passed.

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I just hope Thomas doesn't walk on San Antonio after next year.

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Jul 25, 2013 21:00:53 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I just hope Thomas doesn't walk on San Antonio after next year.

We have been talking with Thomas during this trade and he understands we want him for the long run. He's our PG, our leader. We got his word he would resign and we believe in him and he knows this is now HIS team. What more could a young PG ask for. More money yes, but his own team and a starting spot...

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Jul 25, 2013 21:05:48 GMT @griz2385 said:

Jul 25, 2013 21:00:53 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I just hope Thomas doesn't walk on San Antonio after next year.

We have been talking with Thomas during this trade and he understands we want him for the long run. He's our PG, our leader. We got his word he would resign and we believe in him and he knows this is now HIS team. What more could a young PG ask for. More money yes, but his own team and a starting spot...

I will be quoting this if he leaves you!