Brooklyn Nets---Golden State Warriors

[Chris Mullin]

I've been shopping David Lee for quite some time and was not satisfied with any of the offers I received. I was very content on keeping Lee as I've told several GMs that have offered me for him.

I really like this trade for my team going forward. Kenneth Faried is not David Lee (especially since Lee is due to bump up to the 84-85 range) but he will be a solid role player replacement for him.

I feel like moving Lee will help me re-sign Al Jefferson as Al now becomes our primary low post presence. Jefferson and Lee have similar games and it didn't translate into wins like I thought it would.

Dragic will be our 6th man and offer me insurance in case Curry gets bit by the injury bug again. Casspi was included for salary purposes and I plan on moving him asap.

We also get the 18th pick which will further help our youth movement.

It was tough to move Lee, but I feel like this trade gives us a lot more flexibility going into the off-season and frees up a little more cap space.

I accept

[Glenn Robinson]

Wow, Brooklyn is getting fleeced in this deal. Gonna wait for others to weigh in on this. But wow

[Walt Frazier]

I'm not sure I'm quite as upset as Milwaukee about it, but, Dragic for Lee would probably be fine by itself. Faried for Lee would probably get accepted by some people as well, especially with age and salary factored in. Casspi isn't much of a negative...the picks Brooklyn gets are worth less than the one pick he's giving. I dunno. I understand salary cap makes certain pieces necessary but we do have to consider the talent of the players involved. I think Faried, Dragic, and the 18th pick are being sold a little short.

I'm going to wait to vote as well for now, but yea, those are preliminary thoughts.

[Dominique Wilkins]

I looked at this last night and also thought Brooklyn was giving up too much in the deal. Reject.

[Glenn Robinson]

Are you really going to compare Irving to Lee?

[Glenn Robinson]

I'm just worried that Lee might have his best years behind him. Those injuries are going to start piling up on him and he's getting up there in age. I think Lee is very talented and definitely think he is a terrific player, I just think there might be too much value given up to get him.

[Chris Mullin]

Nobody is saying Lee is equal to Irving, but the trades are similar in what was given up. Not to mention that Denver also got Carl Landry a 78 rated PF in that deal.

I know the TC has a hard job to do, but this deal doesn't hurt Brooklyn IMO but makes them a better team. A starting lineup of...

Jameer Nelson
Jared Dudley
Danillo Gallinari
David Lee
Chris Bosh

is pretty good and not like Brooklyn has no bench now because of the trade. This years draft like many have said isn't that great and its not like losing the 18th pick is going to cripple the Nets in the future.

Really wish the TC would reconsider their views on this trade. The lack of respect for David Lee's ability blows my mind. All NBA 3rd team, an All Star, leads league in double doubles, and you guys act like hes a garbage player. Lee is set to get an increase to the 84-85 range in the off season. If it was anyone else besides David Lee (for some reason) with those credentials he'd be probably rated in the high 80s.

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As the owner of the Warriors' picks for the next two years, I do not approve this trade!

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 12, 2013 17:42:59 GMT Chris Mullin said:

Nobody is saying Lee is equal to Irving, but the trades are similar in what was given up. Not to mention that Denver also got Carl Landry a 78 rated PF in that deal.

I know the TC has a hard job to do, but this deal doesn't hurt Brooklyn IMO but makes them a better team. A starting lineup of...

Jameer Nelson
Jared Dudley
Danillo Gallinari
David Lee
Chris Bosh

is pretty good and not like Brooklyn has no bench now because of the trade. This years draft like many have said isn't that great and its not like losing the 18th pick is going to cripple the Nets in the future.

Really wish the TC would reconsider their views on this trade. The lack of respect for David Lee's ability blows my mind. All NBA 3rd team, an All Star, leads league in double doubles, and you guys act like hes a garbage player. Lee is set to get an increase to the 84-85 range in the off season. If it was anyone else besides David Lee (for some reason) with those credentials he'd be probably rated in the high 80s.

For me anyway

#1 - I haven't voted yet.
#2 - I'm actually a HUGE, huge David Lee Fan. I'm a Knicks fan (yea yea) and he was our only bright spot for awhile there, and I know his game extremely well, having still followed him. I really am a huge fan of his to this day.
#3 - Quite the opposite, I worry you guys are undervaluing Dragic, and also Faried at his age and salary is a pretty nice piece.

[Walt Frazier]

Tell me how Dragic with Pick 18 (at which, btw Billy, I think there's a pretty good shot you get one of Shabazz or Larkin [more likely Larkin]) is not equal to David Lee?

Dragic & 18 for Lee is accepted by every member of the trade committee 100% of the time.

So why is Faried here?

[Chris Mullin]

Jul 12, 2013 17:48:47 GMT Vlade Divac said:

As the owner of the Warriors' picks for the next two years, I do not approve this trade!

Sorry Vlade, regardless of this trade those 2 picks aren't going to be anything special

[Chris Mullin]

Jul 12, 2013 17:51:21 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Tell me how Dragic with Pick 18 (at which, btw Billy, I think there's a pretty good shot you get one of Shabazz or Larkin [more likely Larkin]) is not equal to David Lee?

Dragic & 18 for Lee is accepted by every member of the trade committee 100% of the time.

So why is Faried here?

Faried is there because there's no chance I take Dragic & 18 for Lee.

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Jul 12, 2013 18:16:25 GMT Chris Mullin said:

Jul 12, 2013 17:48:47 GMT Vlade Divac said:

As the owner of the Warriors' picks for the next two years, I do not approve this trade!

Sorry Vlade, regardless of this trade those 2 picks aren't going to be anything special

Well, I commented in order to give my opinion of this trade. In all honesty, you might be in trouble if Al Jefferson leaves you. It would be interesting to see the Splash Brothers trying to do it all, but I don't think you would like the results.

[Chris Mullin]

Jul 12, 2013 18:18:33 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jul 12, 2013 18:16:25 GMT Chris Mullin said:

Sorry Vlade, regardless of this trade those 2 picks aren't going to be anything special

Well, I commented in order to give my opinion of this trade. In all honesty, you might be in trouble if Al Jefferson leaves you. It would be interesting to see the Splash Brothers trying to do it all, but I don't think you would like the results.

Yea if any team loses a good player to free agency they would be in trouble. All things considered I think I have a pretty good shot at resigning Jefferson tho

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Jul 12, 2013 18:22:26 GMT Chris Mullin said:

Jul 12, 2013 18:18:33 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Well, I commented in order to give my opinion of this trade. In all honesty, you might be in trouble if Al Jefferson leaves you. It would be interesting to see the Splash Brothers trying to do it all, but I don't think you would like the results.

Yea if any team loses a good player to free agency they would be in trouble. All things considered I think I have a pretty good shot at resigning Jefferson tho

I think I do as well!

[Chris Mullin]

Obviously entitled to your opinion. Really don't see a guy going back to the team that traded him, but we will see. Very confident Al will be a Warrior for the foreseeable future

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 12, 2013 18:17:43 GMT Chris Mullin said:

Jul 12, 2013 17:51:21 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Tell me how Dragic with Pick 18 (at which, btw Billy, I think there's a pretty good shot you get one of Shabazz or Larkin [more likely Larkin]) is not equal to David Lee?

Dragic & 18 for Lee is accepted by every member of the trade committee 100% of the time.

So why is Faried here?

Faried is there because there's no chance I take Dragic & 18 for Lee.

Then what Brooklyn probably should do is just walk away. IMO you are demanding a price where you will absolutely 100% win the trade w/o a doubt. I know that is Brooklyn's call whether to walk away or if he really wants to pay that price, but part of the CM job is to shut down extremely lopsided trades.

I think based on about 90-95% of people's values (in this league and just in general), that's way too much value going one way compared to what goes the other.

[Ian Noble]

Reading through this thread I'm fairly convinced I'd consider Dragic & 18th for David Lee to be completely ripping off the Warriors. I wouldn't reject it, but talent-for-talent I'd be scratching my head and wondering about Golden State if he did that trade.

I'm actually higher on Faried, because of his youth and because he was a major part of last season's epic Nuggets team. I would consider Faried for Lee more acceptable.

Altogether I'm in agreement with the rest of the committee though, in the sense that I think Brooklyn is giving up too much, but I don't feel he's giving up so much that it's a reject, plus Brooklyn will still have lots of valuable trade assets after this deal in Bosh, Lee, Gallo and Dudley. A few months ago we had a conversation in the staff section with regards to allowing teams a bit more leeway to trade so long as they had assets left over afterwards, and this trade falls into that category AND I don't feel it's as skewed as the others do.

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Jul 12, 2013 19:17:10 GMT Chris Mullin said:

Obviously entitled to your opinion. Really don't see a guy going back to the team that traded him, but we will see. Very confident Al will be a Warrior for the foreseeable future

Why not? It would be the perfect story! I get both your picks for the next two years, he then comes back, and may end up playing with Wiggins next year because of it.

[Alex English]

The Warriors definitely win this trade. I'm also surprised Billy is picking Jameer Nelson over Goran Dragic, despite their ratings, I don't even think it's a close call at all that Dragic is much better. Honestly though, I'm inclined to accept. This is more or less the exact type of trade that fits into the discussion in the staff section thread Ian started about allowing lopsided trades. Following this deal Brooklyn would still have plenty of assets. A lineup of Nelson, Dudley, Gallinari, Lee and Bosh is pretty good. So while he's definitely over-paying for Lee, Billy isn't destroying his roster with this trade. Based on that I think I'm going to let this one go.

I accept.

[Walt Frazier]

Jul 12, 2013 20:57:26 GMT Alex English said:

The Warriors definitely win this trade. I'm also surprised Billy is picking Jameer Nelson over Goran Dragic, despite their ratings, I don't even think it's a close call at all that Dragic is much better. Honestly though, I'm inclined to accept. This is more or less the exact type of trade that fits into the discussion in the staff section thread Ian started about allowing lopsided trades. Following this deal Brooklyn would still have plenty of assets. A lineup of Nelson, Dudley, Gallinari, Lee and Bosh is pretty good. So while he's definitely over-paying for Lee, Billy isn't destroying his roster with this trade. Based on that I think I'm going to let this one go.

I accept.

You know what, you guys are right. If all he had was Dragic/Faried and he traded both plus a pick for Lee I'd definitely reject, but the reason I haven't yet and was thinking it through a lot is because I know he does have other pieces and this doesn't kill his team or anything.

That said, I really firmly believe he is giving up an entire player who is rated 80+ too much. That just seems wacky to me. Even if he does still have value left on his team. I guess the difference between this and the Kyrie trade is that David Lee is no Kyrie Irving. Big age difference, salary difference, superstar potential difference, etc.

I'm conflicted, I'm still thinking about it.

[Glenn Robinson]

Accept

[Ian Noble]

Well, that's three accepts, albeit uneasy accepts.

Trade passed.

[James Kay]

Ian Noble Does anyone know what this trade is? Curious because it was so hesitantly accepted but the trade isn't even listed anymore which is very strange..