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Post by Alex English on Jun 16, 2013 22:43:22 GMT
Phoenix Suns trade:
77 Shannon Brown - $4,500,000 - $4,750,000 - $5,000,000 - $5,000,000
76 Marreese Speights - $3,823,363
Total: $8,323,363
Denver Nuggets trade:
78 Spencer Hawes - $4,807,050 - $4,997,100 - $5,117,000
75 Alonzo Gee - $5,500,000 - $5,600,000 - $5,725,000 - $5,900,000 - $6,000,000
Total: $10,307,050
I accept. Unfortunately the only way to move Alonzo Gee was to add another player to the deal, so while I would've liked to keep Hawes ultimately I think it's a good deal since I'll go from 19.6mil in cap space to 25.5mil. More than enough to re-sign Lopez and pick up one of the top power forward free agents as well.
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Post by JP Inawat on Jun 17, 2013 4:25:31 GMT
I accept. I get a starter-quality center going forward, and that would be one less position to worry about come free agency.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 5:59:31 GMT
This trade would leave the Phoenix Suns without a dedicated Shooting Guard on their roster. For like 3 games?  |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 17, 2013 15:54:54 GMT
Not the same, as "SG" is a less defined position than PG. A PG is a PG. A very few players can "kind of" play PG, while for the most part, we know PG's when we see them.
A SG however...Gee is a fine SG IMO. Maybe he's more of a SF but I'm pretty certain he has played SG IRL, therefore he's fine at SG. Suns also has Jimmer (can play some SG if you want, quite a shooter after all), and Ramon Sessions (who has played along side other guards IRL quite often).
The whole "this leaves him with no SG" just actually doesn't really apply IMO to this trade.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 17, 2013 16:26:38 GMT
For like 3 games? Doesn't matter. This is a fairly consistent thing we've run into, where if a team is making a trade that leaves them with zero of a certain position, the committee generally doesn't like that. Yes you might have a plan but until we see another deal actually posted where you solve that issue, it gets rejected pretty often. Since this trade would leave the Phoenix Suns with zero at the Shooting Guard position, the Trade Committee has no choice but to reject. He has plenty of players to play SG. There is Alonzo Gee obviously, then there is Travis Outlaw, Caron Butler, Jimmer Fredette, Jan Vesely could probably play short minutes at two, and even Tobias Harris maybe. You could potentially say none of them play SG as their primary position, but you're really stretching it if you're saying he has nobody capable of playing the position. |
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Post by Jackie Moon on Jun 17, 2013 16:42:51 GMT
Doesn't matter. Since this trade would leave the Phoenix Suns with zero at the Shooting Guard position, the Trade Committee has no choice but to reject. He has plenty of players to play SG. There is Alonzo Gee obviously, then there is Travis Outlaw, Caron Butler, Jimmer Fredette, Jan Vesely could probably play short minutes at two, and even Tobias Harris maybe. You could potentially none of them play SG as their primary position, but you're really stretching it if you're saying he has nobody capable of playing the position. Not one player you just named is a SG lol Or even a capable SG |
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Post by Alex English on Jun 17, 2013 17:00:56 GMT
He has plenty of players to play SG. There is Alonzo Gee obviously, then there is Travis Outlaw, Caron Butler, Jimmer Fredette, Jan Vesely could probably play short minutes at two, and even Tobias Harris maybe. You could potentially none of them play SG as their primary position, but you're really stretching it if you're saying he has nobody capable of playing the position. Not one player you just named is a SG lol Or even a capable SG Are you kidding me? Alonzo Gee's primary position was SG before this year when he was bumped by Waiters, and Jimmer Fredette played more minutes at SG this year than he did at PG. The primary position for the others is SF except for Harris who you could maybe say is a PF first. But what exactly is the difference between a SF and a SG? There really are only three truly different roles on the court, and those are point guards, wing players and post players. |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 17, 2013 17:03:27 GMT
There really are only three truly different roles on the court, and those are point guards, wing players and post players. And then there's Lebron... |
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Post by Alex English on Jun 17, 2013 17:05:51 GMT
This whole thing is stupid anyway. It was started by someone who is playing Jameer Nelson at shooting guard.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 17, 2013 17:08:38 GMT
I'll accept. I disagree with Alex on most of the players he named as SG's, however, Gee and Jimmer can both play the SG positions.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 17, 2013 17:16:05 GMT
Since this trade would leave the Phoenix Suns with zero at the Shooting Guard position, the Trade Committee has no choice but to reject. Steady on, Mr King, that's for the TC to decide  |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 17, 2013 17:17:27 GMT
I accept.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 17, 2013 18:18:16 GMT
Billy you really are out of line on this one. He has plenty of wing players than can play SG for him. It may not be 100% ideal but really Gee is just fine at SG, Jimmer too. Caron certainly has played SG in the past while with the Mavs.
I basically agree with the whole "Point Guard / Wing player / Post player" theory, especially in today's NBA. He has plenty of wings that can play SG if he wants, plus guys like sessions/Jimmer who can have some fun playing alongside another PG in a completely acceptable lineup.
I accept.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 17, 2013 18:28:38 GMT
He has plenty of players to play SG. There is Alonzo Gee obviously, then there is Travis Outlaw, Caron Butler, Jimmer Fredette, Jan Vesely could probably play short minutes at two, and even Tobias Harris maybe. You could potentially say none of them play SG as their primary position, but you're really stretching it if you're saying he has nobody capable of playing the position. Alonzo Gee was primarily a SG this year but he's still a small forward and has been for most of his career.
Travis Outlaw 1) espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2015/travis-outlaw clearly lists him as a SF 2) sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3726 clearly lists him as a SF
Caron Butler at SG? When has he ever been substituted or played at SG?
Fredette can play SG, but again, he's not a DEDICATED shooting guard.
Jan Vesley is 6'11, you really are going to say he can play the shooting guard position? Than again, you've already said Caron Butler can play the SG position so i'm not surprised.
Tobias Harris is 6'8, perhaps Josh Smith should also play at the SG position, he's only 6'9.
This whole thing is stupid anyway. It was started by someone who is playing Jameer Nelson at shooting guard. Here he goes again, throwing in irrelevant and stupid remarks. I play Jameer Nelson at the Shooting Guard position because he's rated an 82 and I'd be foolish not to start him over Dudley. You can play Fredette, Alonzo Gee, Josh Smith, and even Dwight Howard at the shooting guard position but none of them have or will ever play as full-time shooting guards. Magic Johnson is 6'9", are you really going to say he can play point guard? This whole thing is stupid because it's obvious you are only doing this because of what happened in your trade with the Magic. A trade that was ultimately passed anyway. I'm sorry Billy, but I don't want any of your sour grapes. |
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Post by JP Inawat on Jun 17, 2013 18:34:51 GMT
I'm so sorry that I'm busy with real life. XD Didn't think there'll be this much discussion over this.
I mean, I admit I have a heck of a lot of forwards, but most of them can play at the wing, and that's really all I need. I built my team based on versatility. That means I can be and have been lax on giving players strict roles.
And this doesn't really leave me without an SG. Heck, I've been playing Butler at SG since I acquired him. lol But while I admit I'm lacking in guards, I have people that can occupy that space on the floor and that's all that matters right now.
My starting lineup will still be Camby-Smith-Odom-Butler-Sessions, backed up by O'Neal-Hawes-Outlaw-Gee-Fredette.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 17, 2013 18:35:08 GMT
Really doesn't matter, deal is passed I believe, or will be.
If you agree that Jimmer and Gee can and have played SG, then the entire conversation is moot.
Your trade with Orlando originally left him with absolutely no one who could play PG, that was the problem. This problem is not occurring in this deal, Suns has people who can play SG, so we're good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 19:14:39 GMT
He has plenty of players to play SG. There is Alonzo Gee obviously, then there is Travis Outlaw, Caron Butler, Jimmer Fredette, Jan Vesely could probably play short minutes at two, and even Tobias Harris maybe. You could potentially say none of them play SG as their primary position, but you're really stretching it if you're saying he has nobody capable of playing the position. Alonzo Gee was primarily a SG this year but he's still a small forward and has been for most of his career.
Travis Outlaw 1) espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2015/travis-outlaw clearly lists him as a SF 2) sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3726 clearly lists him as a SF
Caron Butler at SG? When has he ever been substituted or played at SG?
Fredette can play SG, but again, he's not a DEDICATED shooting guard.
Jan Vesley is 6'11, you really are going to say he can play the shooting guard position? Than again, you've already said Caron Butler can play the SG position so i'm not surprised.
Tobias Harris is 6'8, perhaps Josh Smith should also play at the SG position, he's only 6'9.
This whole thing is stupid anyway. It was started by someone who is playing Jameer Nelson at shooting guard. Here he goes again, throwing in irrelevant and stupid remarks. I play Jameer Nelson at the Shooting Guard position because he's rated an 82 and I'd be foolish not to start him over Dudley. You can play Fredette, Alonzo Gee, Josh Smith, and even Dwight Howard at the shooting guard position but none of them have or will ever play as full-time shooting guards. Who cares? He probably wants a better pick anyways, and don't start telling me tanking is wrong or I will personally ask for you to be fired! ;D |
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Jun 17, 2013 19:52:16 GMT
I accept
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 17, 2013 20:43:42 GMT
and don't start telling me tanking is wrong or I will personally ask for you to be fired! ;D I believe a QFT would fit here maybe? ;D |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 18, 2013 19:09:09 GMT
Trade pasesd.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 22:36:11 GMT
and don't start telling me tanking is wrong or I will personally ask for you to be fired! ;D I believe a QFT would fit here maybe? ;D QFT? |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 19, 2013 0:51:03 GMT
I believe a QFT would fit here maybe? ;D QFT? IDK, it's an Ian thing. Quoted For Truth I do believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 5:01:58 GMT
Oh lol, I noticed other people putting that. Thanks for enlightening me! |
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