Brooklyn-New Orleans Pelicans

[Alex English]

This trade doesn't work.

$8,303,960 * 1.25 = $10,379,950

[Jackie Moon]

Jun 9, 2013 17:56:46 GMT @swooshthehoop said:

Brooklyn Nets Trades:
81 Andrea Bargnani $10,000,000 $10,750,000 $11,500,000
77 Troy Murphy $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000

Total Incoming: $8,303,960
Total Outgoing: $11,000,000

New Orleans Pelicans Trades:

79 Michael Beasley $7,258,960 $7,727,280
79 Grant Hill $1,045,000
Contract of 70 A.J. Price $1,000,000 $1,110,000

Total Incoming: $11,000,000
Total Outgoing: $9,303,960

When Pelicans sends in his approval, he will quote the above trade so the committee knows he's alright with it.

I accept. Reasoning will be posted later.

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2013 17:51:21 GMT Alex English said:

This trade doesn't work.

$8,303,960 * 1.25 = $10,379,950

Neither did your part of the 4-way deal!

[Alex English]

Jun 9, 2013 18:51:17 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jun 9, 2013 17:51:21 GMT Alex English said:

This trade doesn't work.

$8,303,960 * 1.25 = $10,379,950

Neither did your part of the 4-way deal!

Please explain how it didn't work.

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2013 19:02:14 GMT Alex English said:

Jun 9, 2013 18:51:17 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Neither did your part of the 4-way deal!

Please explain how it didn't work.

Denver Total Incoming: $15,525,600
Denver Total Outgoing: $22,545,000

$15,525,600 X 1.25 = $19,407,000

$19,407,000 < $22,545,000

LONG LIVE THE GM OF THE YEAR!

[Alex English]

Jun 9, 2013 19:08:11 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jun 9, 2013 19:02:14 GMT Alex English said:

Please explain how it didn't work.

Denver Total Incoming: $15,525,600
Denver Total Outgoing: $22,545,000

$15,525,600 X 1.25 = $19,407,000

$19,407,000 < $22,545,000

LONG LIVE THE GM OF THE YEAR!

You misunderstand the rule. Here it is:

If after the trade, you are over the cap, your incoming salaries must not exceed 125% of your outgoing salaries.

Incoming: $15,525,600
Outgoing: $22,545,000

Outgoing * 125% is: $22,545,000*1.25
Which equals: $28,181,250

$15,525,600 is much less than $28,181,250.

So the trade works.

Outgoing salaries can exceed incoming salaries by any amount. The rule is only against taking on massive amounts of salary.

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2013 19:12:20 GMT Alex English said:

Jun 9, 2013 19:08:11 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Denver Total Incoming: $15,525,600
Denver Total Outgoing: $22,545,000

$15,525,600 X 1.25 = $19,407,000

$19,407,000 < $22,545,000

LONG LIVE THE GM OF THE YEAR!

You misunderstand the rule. Here it is:

If after the trade, you are over the cap, your incoming salaries must not exceed 125% of your outgoing salaries.

Incoming: $15,525,600
Outgoing: $22,545,000

Outgoing * 125% is: $22,545,000*1.25
Which equals: $28,181,250

$15,525,600 is much less than $28,181,250.

So the trade works.

Outgoing salaries can exceed incoming salaries by any amount. The rule is only against taking on massive amounts of salary.

That's not true, you always multiply the smaller number. Besides, even if you are right, there are explicit rules that prohibit a team from going over/under the cap; which you did.

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2013 19:25:10 GMT @swooshthehoop said:

I'll make sure to talk about my trades in your threads next time, alright guys?

Who cares, seriously?

[Alex English]

Jun 9, 2013 19:29:42 GMT Vlade Divac said:

Jun 9, 2013 19:12:20 GMT Alex English said:

You misunderstand the rule. Here it is:



Incoming: $15,525,600
Outgoing: $22,545,000

Outgoing * 125% is: $22,545,000*1.25
Which equals: $28,181,250

$15,525,600 is much less than $28,181,250.

So the trade works.

Outgoing salaries can exceed incoming salaries by any amount. The rule is only against taking on massive amounts of salary.

That's not true, you always multiply the smaller number. Besides, even if you are right, there are explicit rules that prohibit a team from going over/under the cap; which you did.

You don't, man. You multiply outgoing salary, always. That's what the rule is about. That's how it is in real life and it's how it has always been here. Why would there be a rule prohibiting teams that are over the cap from getting under it? That would make absolutely no sense.

[Deleted]

I don't believe Denver is right about there being no rule about how much salary you can shed and would like to see proof.

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2013 19:39:51 GMT @swooshthehoop said:

Jun 9, 2013 19:39:04 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I don't believe Denver is right about a rule to lower your salaries and would like to see proof.

I just gave you proof, its the post above Denvers.
You can't read rules and now you can't read posts?

Here, let me link it again for you: dynasty5ive.proboards.com/index.c....lay&thread=2313

I have been doing this longer than you have been alive, and I recall the rule saying that ALL TRADES FOR TEAM OVER THE CAP must equal 1.25. What that means is the two salaries need to be within 1.25 of each other. Therefore, I am asking to see the rule and refuse to simply take Denver's word for it. I, unlike you, do not think of Denver as some sort of god.

[Alex English]

Jun 9, 2013 19:39:04 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I don't believe Denver is right about there being no rule about how much salary you can shed and would like to see proof.

I already quoted it.

Here:

If after the trade, you are over the cap, your incoming salaries must not exceed 125% of your outgoing salaries.

Source

Read it more carefully I guess. It is pretty clear that it deals with taking on more salary than you send out.

I don't know, man. I've done my best to try and help you understand. But that is what the rule is.

[Alex English]

Jun 9, 2013 19:54:09 GMT @swooshthehoop said:

I don't know why Denver made me add T.J. price? He screwed up also.

Look at it from the Pelicans perspective and not yours..

Total Incoming: $11,000,000
Total Outgoing: $8,303,960

125% of outgoing is: $10,379,950 ($8,303960*1.25)

$10,379,950 is less than $11,000,000.

[Deleted]

I really think it depends on the definition of exceed. In both cases, the incoming salary exceeds 125% because..


$12,942,700 (Lakers Incoming) x 1.25 = $16,178,375. Thus the outgoing salary of $17,731,000 exceeds the incoming salary of 12,942,700 according to the range set of 125%.

$15,525,600 (Nuggets Incoming) x 1.25 = $19,407,000. Thus the outgoing salary of $22,545,000 exceeds the incoming salary of $15,525,600 according to the range set of 125%.

Basically, we are arguing the definition of a word.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exceed - both definitions exist on this site and I guess either interpretation could be plausible. However, I will say I have never seen a league that does it like this. Then again, this league remains unorthodox in certain aspects (IE: re-signing players and team options not counting.) Sorry if I am a "dumbass" for wanting to understand, but I do feel I possess a point.

[Alex English]

Jun 9, 2013 20:01:42 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I really think it depends on the definition of exceed. In both cases, the incoming salary exceeds 125% because..


$12,942,700 (Lakers Incoming) x 1.25 = $16,178,375. Thus the outgoing salary of $17,731,000 exceeds the incoming salary of 12,942,700 according to the range set of 125%.

$15,525,600 (Nuggets Incoming) x 1.25 = $19,407,000. Thus the outgoing salary of $22,545,000 exceeds the incoming salary of $15,525,600 according to the range set of 125%.

Basically, we are arguing the definition of a word.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/exceed - both definitions exist on this site and I guess either interpretation could be plausible. However, I will say I have never seen a league that does it like this. Then again, this league remains unorthodox in certain aspects (IE: re-signing players and team options not counting.) Sorry if I am a "dumbass" for wanting to understand, but I do feel I possess a point.

We're not arguing about the definition of exceed. We're arguing about basic reading comprehension. Here is the sentence again:

If after the trade, you are over the cap, your incoming salaries must not exceed 125% of your outgoing salaries.

It is not said in a neutral way. The 125% is clearly attributed to the outgoing salaries, and the 'exceeding' is clearly attributed to the incoming salaries. So it only matters whether or not the incoming salaries has exceeded the outgoing salaries. The other way around is irrelevant.

This thread is getting pretty damn funny actually but I'm finished with the issue.

[Alex English]

Ok finally, to the relief of Billy King, I'm going to accept this trade. Bargs and Beasley are both talented players who haven't lived up to their potential, so it is a solid trade.

[Deleted]

I am going to change the quote to put in a different definition, just to test the all-mighty Denver's theory about this being "basic reading comprehensions."

If after the trade, you are over the cap, your incoming salaries must not [go beyond a limit set by] 125% of your outgoing salaries.

Using this definition, I argue that the a limit, or a range, exists that your trades need to be within. This range can be found by multiplying the lowest of your two salaries, regardless of whether or not they are incoming or outgoing, and will allow trades to stay within the boundaries they are intended.

By the way, the trades SHOULD all work within the range I speak of. Basically, trading consists of coloring in the lines. Each side needs to give up a certain number of salary or it should MESS UP THE WHOLE TRADE. There are exceptions to that, but not very many.

[Ian Noble]

I read a lot of what's being posted and then I realized I only have one life to live and I was wasting it, haha.

Alex English has it right, at least by the top of this page anyway.

The 125% rule does not apply to you if you're Outgoing exceeds your Incoming.

It's only if you're over the cap AND you're taking on more than 125% than your Outgoing that the 125% Rule applies.

[Deleted]

Jun 9, 2013 20:45:28 GMT Ian Noble said:

I read a lot of what's being posted and then I realized I only have one life to live and I was wasting it, haha.

Alex English has it right, at least by the top of this page anyway.

The 125% rule does not apply to you if you're Outgoing exceeds your Incoming.

It's only if you're over the cap AND you're taking on more than 125% than your Outgoing that the 125% Rule applies.

So this clause would only apply in more than two team trades?

[Dominique Wilkins]

I thought playoff team couldn't make anymore trades after yesterday??

[Walt Frazier]

Accept.

[Glenn Robinson]

Accept

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed.