Nets - Nuggets - Spurs - Kings

[Alex English]

To the Sacramento Kings:

76 Danny Green - $5,000,000 - $5,333,333 - $5,666,667 - $6,000,000

From the Sacramento Kings:

75 Will Bynum - $3,250,000
Dexter Pittman's contract - $854,389
SAS 2013 2nd round pick
LAC 2014 2nd round pick

Total: $4,104,389


To the Brooklyn Nets:

88 Chris Bosh - $17,545,000 - $19,067,500 - $20,590,000 - $22,112,500
75 Will Bynum - $3,250,000

Total: $20,795,000

From the Brooklyn Nets:

78 Brook Lopez - $4,190,851
78 Channing Frye - $6,000,000 - $6,400,000 - $6,800,000
79 Tayshaun Prince - $6,764,045 - $7,235,955 - $7,707,865
DAL 2013 2nd round pick
BKN 2013 2nd round pick

Total: $16,954,896


To the San Antonio Spurs:

78 Channing Frye - $6,000,000 - $6,400,000 - $6,800,000
79 Tayshaun Prince - $6,764,045 - $7,235,955 - $7,707,865

Total: $12,764,045

From the San Antonio Spurs:

76 Luke Ridnour - $4,000,000 - $4,320,000
75 Alonzo Gee - $5,500,000 - $5,600,000 - $5,725,000 - $5,900,000 - $6,000,000
Trey Thompkins' contract - $490,180
Kyrylo Fesenko's contract - $490,180

Total: $10,480,360


To the Denver Nuggets:

78 Brook Lopez - $4,190,851
76 Luke Ridnour - $4,000,000 - $4,320,000
75 Alonzo Gee - $5,500,000 - $5,600,000 - $5,725,000 - $5,900,000 - $6,000,000
Dexter Pittman's contract - $854,389
Trey Thompkins' contract - $490,180
Kyrylo Fesenko's contract - $490,180
SAS 2013 2nd round pick
DAL 2013 2nd round pick
BKN 2013 2nd round pick
LAC 2014 2nd round pick

Total: $15,525,600

From the Denver Nuggets:

88 Chris Bosh - $17,545,000 - $19,067,500 - $20,590,000 - $22,112,500
76 Danny Green - $5,000,000 - $5,333,333 - $5,666,667 - $6,000,000

Total: $22,545,000

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I have been debating whether or not to trade Bosh and trade talks about a Bosh for Lopez deal turned into this. So I accept, but only on the condition that team option won't count against the cap until after the offseason. I disagree with the rule personally but if Ian is sticking with it until next season then I might as well use it to my advantage, even if this will piss a few people off. With this trade I get rid of Bosh's massive salary, and despite a few bad contracts against me, since the rest of my stars are still on their rookie scale contracts I'll have 19.6mil in cap space this offseason. That will be enough to re-sign Lopez and also pick up one of the talented PF free agents that are out there. I already have three all-stars under contract for next year so I should be an attractive destination since most players' number one priority is playing for a winning team. This makes the risk of free agency okay for me.

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The Spurs accept. Gee wasnt worth that contract and losing Ridnour to me is worth it to get these two guys. Yeah im looking to rebuild, but I need trading pieces too.

[Alex English]

Jun 4, 2013 17:24:47 GMT Glenn Robinson said:

JR, I agree you need trading pieces, but you keep taking on pieces nobody wants...

Are we allowed to do 4 way deals? Wasn't sure if that was something Ian was still against or not.

Since we've already had one I was going on the assumption that they are allowed. Also even though it's a four team trade there are only 8 players involved, so it isn't really that complicated.

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Denver and I could just directly trade if 4-ways are not allowed, and then he trades Bynum to the Nets. Anyways, I accept and feel like I am the biggest winner in this deal!

[Walt Frazier]

First thoughts:

Brooklyn doesn't give up enough value to get Chris Bosh.

Sacramento has a nice little part of this trade for himself. I probably wouldn't reject just his part, but I think he makes out pretty well.

Spurs gets even worse here IMO. Maybe Frye comes back and is OK but there is a lot that is going to happen in Phoenix and who knows how much he is going to play or how effective he'll be after the heart issue he had.

Nuggets I get why he does it, his argument is valid, Lopez will likely want to stay in town with that team. So while part of me is like "damn that's risky" it's not too bad, plus Denver has riches to spare :-p

All in all, I need to wait for Ian to approve the trade's validity. After that I'm kinda on the fence due to a few things.

[Alex English]

It would be kinda pointless to not allow this trade because it involves four teams. It would just end up being broken apart into multiple two or three team trades that come to the same result. That would just be tedious and the rule would not actually affect anything.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

I'm bored so here's my thoughts:

Brooklyn is the big winner.

Sacramento gets Danny Green for free. Why is he even involved in this trade? You guys didn't need Will Bynum to make it work. I guess it basically lets Denver dump Green for cap room, but he could have easily gotten more value shopping him individually.

San Antonio doesn't really win or lose, he just locks up more money for a longer period of time. Prince may have some value I guess. It's not like he's giving up anything anyway.

Doesn't really make sense for Denver IMO. Best case scenario, Lopez gets boosted to mid 80s and he signs him to a long-term deal starting around $15 mil... which is exactly what he already has in Bosh. Why risk it? There's nothing guaranteeing Lopez doesn't jump ship to another team. Plus Danny Green probably has more value than Alonzo Gee.

[Walt Frazier]

Billy, since Lopez DOES expire and there is very real risk (though Denver has a great shot, there's still a big risk), no you really aren't giving up that much.

I agree and have told you that Lopez is probably who I would choose as the better real life player but in this game he may never be as good as Bosh. You aren't telling me anything here. Salary plays a HUMONGOUS role here, especially a player expiring and heading into his first FA. You have absolutely no idea if he really will sign with Denver, and if he doesn't, what did you end up giving up for Bosh? Two terrible contracts and two useless 2nd round picks?

So yea, that's my point, not their talent.

[Walt Frazier]

It's not that Denver "can't" re-sign Lopez. There is just a very real possibility that Lopez could decide to sign elsewhere.

Other teams have cap too, just saying it's possible he doesn't re-sign.

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Jun 5, 2013 2:10:46 GMT @swooshthehoop said:

I've asked Sacramento permission to say this, if the Trade Committee sees that doing a four team is a serious problem, than the committee can remove the trade that would send Danny Green to Sacramento and Will Bynum to Brooklyn and another three team trade will be proposed. I have no idea how that is any easier than what is proposed above, but I will let the committee decide what actions they'd like to take.

I know Alex has worked very hard on this deal and it'd be a shame if it fell apart because of two role-players.

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Jun 5, 2013 1:38:54 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Brooklyn doesn't give up enough value to get Chris Bosh.

So giving up a top 5 center in the league for Chris Bosh is not enough? There has already been a thread created in the stock watch and everyone who posted agreed that Lopez should be bumped to around the 83-85 range. Not only is Lopez younger, but he is also a true center in a league in which centers are so scarce.

Let's look at some of the numbers

Chris Bosh averages 16.6 points a game, 6.8 rebounds a game, 1.4 blocks a game, and has a PER rating of 20.08

Brook Lopez averages 19.4 points a game, 6.9 rebounds a game, and 2.1 blocks a game, and has a PER rating of 24.81!

So, Bosh is the superior player, right? Not only is Brook Lopez younger, but he is superior to Bosh in EVERY way.

That reminds me, Why is he still rated a 78!?

The answer is no, I want Danny Green! ;D

[Alex English]

It seems like some people don't get this move for me, so I'll explain some more. Basically, I'm trying to trade Chris Bosh for Brook Lopez and Josh Smith. So the secret is out, those are likely my two primary free agent targets. With all my other stars on their rookie scale deals I have an opportunity to use a lot of cap space that I won't have again since Harden is up for FA next year. If this goes through then I plan to dump another of my role players to get enough cap space to hopefully sign both Lopez and Smith. I will absolutely not trade Irving, Harden or Paul (except for Lebron or Durant) so this is not a weird change of direction or anything.

Bosh is the odd man out when it comes to my stars, his salary is massive and his numbers are down significantly, even from his first two years in Miami. It is a high risk, high reward move that I am willing to take since this is a sim league. Worst case scenario I figure I get some of the second tier guys like David West and Nikola Pekovic or something and I move forward from there. But I see absolutely no reason why Brook wouldn't re-sign given my team's talent level and that I'll now have the home team edge. Even if it won't be quite as big an edge as Brooklyn would've had in the same situation I'll still be favoured slightly, all else being equal.

I may sound like dick saying this but I'm probably the last GM that people need to worry about when I make trades. I have spreadsheets of my salary before and after this trade, my lineup before and after, all possible free agent targets, and possible draft prospects to target. I was looking at a long and possibly boring summer with no draft picks and only my MLE to use where I had to sign a back up PG. With this trade I will be able to have a lot more fun between now and the start of next season and if everything goes right then my team will be a lot better than they would be had I not made this trade.

[Walt Frazier]

I'm still waiting on Ian before I put in a vote. Just saying.

And Brooklyn I disagree, I still don't like Sacramento getting Green for free and Spurs getting even bigger contracts for players people still don't want. So, it's not just about you and Denver.

[Walt Frazier]

he's capable to start for a team, but he's a very undesirable contract and will be declining.

Again, you take my comments out of context. Prince was on your team, you said if we did a trade we were talking about you would need a SF, I said Prince could start for you, that's it.

The problem with anyone getting a legit starting, young player on a reasonable contract for FREE is that isn't an even trade.

I'm not a Will Bynum fan, I do not think that's an even swap. Green is neither a bad enough player nor a bad enough contract to make his contract and overall value negative. He's a good young player on a reasonable contract. Sacramento gets him for the cost of his contract, that's it.

I happen to think that's a bit unfair.

I also think San Antonio takes on worse contracts, which doesn't make sense to me.

I get you're trying to get your deal to go through, but you're not changing my opinion. Just a heads up.

[Ian Noble]

Sorry guys I've had a crazy week like you wouldn't believe.

Since this deal would just get broken up into smaller facets, let's just go with it. It's a pain in the ass to administer, but I'll deal with it, hah.

I pretty much agree with what Josh says:

Jun 5, 2013 2:50:11 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

I'm bored so here's my thoughts:

Brooklyn is the big winner.

Sacramento gets Danny Green for free. Why is he even involved in this trade? You guys didn't need Will Bynum to make it work. I guess it basically lets Denver dump Green for cap room, but he could have easily gotten more value shopping him individually.

San Antonio doesn't really win or lose, he just locks up more money for a longer period of time. Prince may have some value I guess. It's not like he's giving up anything anyway.

Doesn't really make sense for Denver IMO. Best case scenario, Lopez gets boosted to mid 80s and he signs him to a long-term deal starting around $15 mil... which is exactly what he already has in Bosh. Why risk it? There's nothing guaranteeing Lopez doesn't jump ship to another team. Plus Danny Green probably has more value than Alonzo Gee.

It's a bit iffy in more than a few ways but not enough for me to reject, I accept.

[Glenn Robinson]

Accept from me as well

[Dominique Wilkins]

Accept

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DANNY GREEN! :0

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed.