Chris Mullin
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Post by Chris Mullin on May 24, 2013 6:01:04 GMT
Warriors Trade
82 - David Lee - $12,744,000 - $13,878,000 - $15,012,000 - $15,493,680
Celtics Trade
87 - Kevin Garnett - $12,467,532 - $11,532,468 - $12,000,000
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Kevin Garnett will give us a much needed defensive presence inside and his offensive game will complement Curry, Thompson, and Jefferson's games. Garnett will also be cheaper over the next 2 seasons which will save me around $5.3 million roughly over those 2 seasons. That cap space is huge for my team headed into the off-season.
Lee obviously has more upside, as Garnett is toward the end of his career but I feel like Garnett will give us a better chance to win now.
I accept.
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Greg Schiano
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Post by Greg Schiano on May 24, 2013 6:40:03 GMT
Warriors Trade82 - David Lee - $12,744,000 - $13,878,000 - $15,012,000 - $15,493,680 Celtics Trade87 - Kevin Garnett - $12,467,532 - $11,532,468 - $12,000,000 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Garnett will give us a much needed defensive presence inside and his offensive game will complement Curry, Thompson, and Jefferson's games. Garnett will also be cheaper over the next 2 seasons which will save me around $5.3 million roughly over those 2 seasons. That cap space is huge for my team headed into the off-season. Lee obviously has more upside, as Garnett is toward the end of his career but I feel like Garnett will give us a better chance to win now. I accept. This is where I have to step up and say this isn't fair before ANYONE else posts. David Lee, in real life, is better than KG as it is. Yet alone the fact that it's a straight up value, and David Lee was all NBA-3rd team this year. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 8:20:57 GMT
It's an even move for teams needing a change because of the style and direction that they are rebuilding. I like this trade. Celtics making moves:)
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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2013 9:23:01 GMT
I accept.
It's with a heavy heart that I finally move one of my core Celtics players. I didn't want to be like Danny Ainge and use that cold approach of moving guys who've been central pieces in memorable championship teams, but this was a deal too good to pass up. David Lee's clearly an All Star calibre guy, he's 29 and it really takes a deal as good as this for me to think of moving KG.
One day we will hang his jersey in the rafters for our championships in 2008 and 2012. The former MVP and future Hall of Famer will be sorely missed if this goes through.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 11:50:46 GMT
As the owner of GS's 2014 and 2015 1st, I approve this message!  |
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Post by Alex English on May 24, 2013 14:20:48 GMT
KG for Lee straight up? Why would GSW want to do this? Lee maybe deserves a 3 or 4 point increase despite his incredible ability to play absolutely no defense, and KG probably deserves a 3 or 4 point decrease. The end is near for him. It's very possible he won't even play out his contract.
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Post by Greg Schiano on May 24, 2013 14:43:44 GMT
KG for Lee straight up? Why would GSW want to do this? Lee maybe deserves a 3 or 4 point increase despite his incredible ability to play absolutely no defense, and KG probably deserves a 3 or 4 point decrease. The end is near for him. It's very possible he won't even play out his contract. If this trade is allowed, I quit. |
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Post by Alex English on May 24, 2013 14:49:35 GMT
KG for Lee straight up? Why would GSW want to do this? Lee maybe deserves a 3 or 4 point increase despite his incredible ability to play absolutely no defense, and KG probably deserves a 3 or 4 point decrease. The end is near for him. It's very possible he won't even play out his contract. If this trade is allowed, I quit. You're really tempting me to accept this trade.  |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2013 15:12:13 GMT
KG for Lee straight up? Why would GSW want to do this? Lee maybe deserves a 3 or 4 point increase despite his incredible ability to play absolutely no defense, and KG probably deserves a 3 or 4 point decrease. The end is near for him. It's very possible he won't even play out his contract. If this trade is allowed, I quit. Don't worry, I don't get any special treatment from the trade committee. If this trade goes through it will be 1 Accepted, 3 Rejected in my history. The problem is that I only trade when I'm 100% happy and usually that means the committee is not happy, lol. |
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Post by Greg Schiano on May 24, 2013 15:31:14 GMT
If this trade is allowed, I quit. Don't worry, I don't get any special treatment from the trade committee. If this trade goes through it will be 1 Accepted, 3 Rejected in my history. The problem is that I only trade when I'm 100% happy and usually that means the committee is not happy, lol. That's just the overvalue of players, for instance, people don't try offering for JR Smith from me because he's gonna cost too much. I value him more than his actual value is worth. Won't even try to trade because it'd be unfair. I think we should honestly look at another sim engine(FBB or something similar, and that may even be easier for you Ian) The rating system is completely off basis here, and I've been unbiased saying that. I would even say some players on my team may need a decrease(Nene) but some teams are being neglected because of lack of general manager skill. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 15:31:24 GMT
The thing is ... This trade is to close to fair not to accept. KG is still the man..
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 15:35:20 GMT
If at worst Boston would give up a pick to make it more fair in some of your eyes. Just like you guys said TD was done and not worth anything...
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Post by Greg Schiano on May 24, 2013 15:39:00 GMT
If at worst Boston would give up a pick to make it more fair in some of your eyes. Just like you guys said TD was done and not worth anything... This my sound like Talladega Nights here but, with all respect, and I mean with all respect, you are not the person who should be opening up about a team being fairly traded. KG-37 years old and an already worse player in real life than David Lee. Who's 7 years younger, and coming off one of his best years along with a team that is continuing to improve each year while the Celtics in real life are in turmoil with Rondo being the only thing on that roster worth a damn. JR saying this is fair is like Saddam Hussein saying torturing people is bad. |
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Post by Alex English on May 24, 2013 15:40:50 GMT
Ok I'm going to vote. This trade isn't as bad as Greg is making it out to be that's for sure, but this isn't Hall of Fame Kevin Garnett we are talking about. He's 37 years old and he could retire any day. David Lee is the better player right now and he's in the prime of his career. It would be a great move for Boston to keep his team at an elite level but I'm going to reject this. Though I'm just one vote. Also I think it's pretty funny that the guy who said this: Has anyone in this league ever heard of the let these teams make their moves and govern themselves? and this: You guys micro-manage, man. also said this: If this trade is allowed, I quit. But whatever, he's not wrong in this case. |
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Post by Greg Schiano on May 24, 2013 15:47:53 GMT
Ok I'm going to vote. This trade isn't as bad as Greg is making it out to be that's for sure, but this isn't Hall of Fame Kevin Garnett we are talking about. He's 37 years old and he could retire any day. David Lee is the better player right now and he's in the prime of his career. It would be a great move for Boston to keep his team at an elite level but I'm going to reject this. Though I'm just one vote. Also I think it's pretty funny that the guy who said this: Has anyone in this league ever heard of the let these teams make their moves and govern themselves? and this: also said this: If this trade is allowed, I quit. But whatever, he's not wrong in this case. I've had three trades rejected in this league, Denver. That to me is enough for me to start monitoring other teams that make the trades allowed. It's stupid for you to deny my trades, then rape every other gm in the league(COUGH COUGH LA COUGH COUGH) I understand teams wanting to make moves, and understand logic behind moves. Teams sometimes have weird reasons for doing trades, this doesn't even have a reason that I would think of at all besides a rating in a system that's flawed anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 16:08:16 GMT
Remember what we talked about in the chat Mr. Jasper.
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Post by Alex English on May 24, 2013 16:12:11 GMT
I've had three trades rejected in this league, Denver. That to me is enough for me to start monitoring other teams that make the trades allowed. It's stupid for you to deny my trades, then rape every other gm in the league(COUGH COUGH LA COUGH COUGH) I understand teams wanting to make moves, and understand logic behind moves. Teams sometimes have weird reasons for doing trades, this doesn't even have a reason that I would think of at all besides a rating in a system that's flawed anyway. Well I don't decide if my own trades get accepted so saying it's wrong to vote to reject one of your trades when my Kyrie Irving trade got accepted is not a very good comparison. Also I don't really want to be involved in derailing another thread so I'll just say this: it seems like you think the TC is wrong and useless up until the point that you don't. Then you practically demand we reject a trade. So maybe the TC isn't so bad even if you disagree with some of it's members' opinions. |
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Post by Greg Schiano on May 24, 2013 16:57:36 GMT
I've had three trades rejected in this league, Denver. That to me is enough for me to start monitoring other teams that make the trades allowed. It's stupid for you to deny my trades, then rape every other gm in the league(COUGH COUGH LA COUGH COUGH) I understand teams wanting to make moves, and understand logic behind moves. Teams sometimes have weird reasons for doing trades, this doesn't even have a reason that I would think of at all besides a rating in a system that's flawed anyway. Well I don't decide if my own trades get accepted so saying it's wrong to vote to reject one of your trades when my Kyrie Irving trade got accepted is not a very good comparison. Also I don't really want to be involved in derailing another thread so I'll just say this: it seems like you think the TC is wrong and useless up until the point that you don't. Then you practically demand we reject a trade. So maybe the TC isn't so bad even if you disagree with some of it's members' opinions. My opinion? My opinion means jack shit. I'm just stating that if you are going to reject trades for subtle reasons, then reject them for legit reasons, like rapes. And I said nothing about you voting on your Kyrie trade, but it was a rape, and it was accepted. I've seen better deals get rejected. And again, this isn't my trade. I speak up for my trades, and I'm a vocal part of believing in the democracy of a league. I just want the league to be run the most efficiently, and I couldn't care less if I won the league or came in 30th. This is something I do to distract my mind from the hell that is real life, and I have been putting in my time in this league despite my own personal life issues. It's a commitment that I want to see pay off, because this league has the potential to last a very long time, just want to see that happen. |
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Chris Mullin
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Post by Chris Mullin on May 24, 2013 17:38:08 GMT
Wow didn't expect to comeback and see this. I made the trade based on trying to win games. Garnett is rated an 87 where as Lee is an 82. Based on lack on response to David Lee stock-watch thread I was under the impression Lee was not in line for any type of ratings increase any time soon as he is not listed on any pending ratings increase list.
The same goes for Kevin Garnett as he is not listed on any potential decrease lists.
Garnett being rated an 87 would obviously help me win more games this season and probably next season based on the lack of respect Lee's rating gets vs the respect Garnett's rating gets.
If the TC thinks it's an unfair trade then so be it. It was not an easy decision for me to trade Lee in the 1st place but I did for the above listed reasons.
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 24, 2013 19:10:38 GMT
First of all, can we stop throwing around the word rape when trying to discuss a team getting the better of another? I have a friend that was raped and it's not something I take lightly.
After looking over this trade, I'm going to have to reject.
Lee has been a very valuable player for the Warriors this year. Not to say Garnett wasn't important to the Celtics this year, but Garnett is at the end of the line and could retire any day now. I'd hate to see Garnett retire and then GSW can't use him in sim for the remainder of his contract.
I'd be more inclined to accept this deal if Boston added something like a 1st round pick or a young prospect like Kanter or Burks or something. I just feel the talent level drops for GSW.
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Post by Chris Mullin on May 24, 2013 19:18:59 GMT
2 TC rejects.
Does that mean this trade is rejected since Boston is involved?
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 24, 2013 20:16:37 GMT
2 TC rejects. Does that mean this trade is rejected since Boston is involved? Yea |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2013 20:28:52 GMT
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