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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 8, 2013 18:35:20 GMT
I suppose I'm mostly intrigued by the obvious players so far, Ben McLemore and Nerlens Noel. The main thing I'm wondering is whether this draft will have more depth than talked about. This time last year, everybody had Cody Zeller being consensus No.1 but now he's around 9th on nbadraft.net. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 8, 2013 18:43:42 GMT
Marcus Smart makes me think of a slightly bigger Jameer Nelson, or Dion Waiters without the natural scoring ability. Like a poor man's Dwyane Wade, but poor man's in pretty much every sense of the word.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 8, 2013 18:44:53 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Apr 8, 2013 22:12:45 GMT
This draft just looks really shallow. Noel, McLemore, Bennett, Muhammed and Burke are the only guys so far that I think have All-Star potential. Even then I'm not sure I can see any of them being superstars. There are some interesting prospects though. I like Oladipo, Dario Saric, Mike Muscala and a few other guys I think are worth a look. Besides that there are just a bunch of role players available imo.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Apr 9, 2013 1:21:50 GMT
Weak draft for sure, though you never know what could happen. Sucks for the Bobcats since there need to find a superstar somewhere.
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Post by Kevin Ware on Apr 9, 2013 1:27:21 GMT
2014 is supposed to be a big draft. The only "sure superstar" in the last 2 drafts and this upcoming one was Anthony Davis. Kyrie is definitely a superstar but not much was known about him since he only played 11 games at Duke. Davis has been a slight disappointment so far, so aside from Irving there really hasn't been any guaranteed superstars in the last few drafts. Wiggins should change that next year though.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 9, 2013 8:05:03 GMT
Wiggins and Parker next year will be big.
This year though,there's always a surprise in the mid to late first round so that's who I'll be looking out for since my pick won't be high. I'm yet to find this surprise player though lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 11:56:20 GMT
so aside from Irving there really hasn't been any guaranteed superstars in the last few drafts. What about Lilsanity!?!?!?!?  |
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 9, 2013 12:31:29 GMT
Prior to the draft, Lillard was not looked upon as a superstar and, honestly, whilst he's All Star material, I still don't think the Hornets would've passed up Anthony Davis for him, I wouldn't have anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 16:25:03 GMT
Prior to the draft, Lillard was not looked upon as a superstar and, honestly, whilst he's All Star material, I still don't think the Hornets would've passed up Anthony Davis for him, I wouldn't have anyway. Just imagine if the lotto balls had granted me the 1st and 2nd Pick!  |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 9, 2013 17:00:28 GMT
If I had to pick a couple guys that might make a significant impact to a team, I'd go with Otto Porter and Trey Burke. Porter is just a natural scorer and I think his game translates to the NBA really well. Burke is a solid point guard with decent size, strong drive abilities to the basket and can shoot the ball. If I was looking for a project player with big upside, I'd look at Giannis Adetokoubo. He is a very intriguing prospect. Great size and length and can handle the ball like a point guard.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 9, 2013 23:29:18 GMT
If I was looking for a project player with big upside, I'd look at Giannis Adetokoubo. He is a very intriguing prospect. He looks really interesting, like a European Kevin Durant, just based on his frame. Not sure how raw he'll be though. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Apr 10, 2013 1:08:00 GMT
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Post by Kevin Ware on Apr 10, 2013 1:48:51 GMT
You should pick your son. ^
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Apr 10, 2013 4:32:44 GMT
Weak draft for sure, though you never know what could happen. Sucks for the Bobcats since there need to find a superstar somewhere. Relax, we have 17% of 2014 1st rnd picks  |
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Post by Alex English on Apr 10, 2013 5:07:38 GMT
Weak draft for sure, though you never know what could happen. Sucks for the Bobcats since there need to find a superstar somewhere. Relax, we have 17% of 2014 1st rnd picks Yea but I have the one that will be Andrew Wiggins. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 26, 2013 13:56:19 GMT
I really think this is a weak draft, from the little I've seen so far.
I'm not sure that even Shabazz Muhammad (sp?) can be more than a roleplayer/bencher.
McLemore is very exciting, but I felt that way about prospects all the way down to 10th pick last year.
edit: I think if any depth comes out of this draft it will be from over-athletic players, who are a bit of a gamble, panning out at teams with good development programs.
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Post by Kevin Ware on Apr 26, 2013 21:06:50 GMT
Noel may go #1 just because of potential. In next year's draft he would probably barely be a lottery pick. This is really one of the worst drafts I can remember though. Not one person in this draft is guaranteed to even be a starter in the NBA.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 27, 2013 5:01:44 GMT
I really wish people would stop saying this is the weakest draft since SO AND SO.
especially the online draft experts like Stein, Ford, Draftexpress, NBAdraft.net
just because every draft does not have Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant doesn't mean it is weak.
They did this for 5 straight years now since the the Blake Griffin draft (right after the last TRUE STRONG DRAFT 2008 ACCORDING TO DRAFT IDIOTS).
especially on 2009 and 2011 draft which DRAFT EXPERTS KILLED THE PLAYERS AND LACK OF STARS AND DEPTH.
look at those drafts now
2009 - Griffin, Harden, Evans, Curry, Rubio, DeRozan, Clark, Collison, Holiday, Lawson, Teague, Jennings, Carroll, Gerald Henderson, Tyler Hansbourogh, Jonas Jerekbo, Jodie Meeks, Danny Green, Marcus Thornton, DeJuan Blair, Dante Cunningham, Chase Budeinger.
2011 - Kyrie Irving, Enes Kanter, Tristian Thompson, Jonas V, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Vucevic, Iman Shumpert, Tobias Harris, Kenneth Faried, Marshon Brooks, Norris Cole, Cory Joseph, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Lavoy Allen and least but not least ISAIAH THOMAS.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 27, 2013 5:02:37 GMT
I hope the draft experts give these guys a chance to succeed in the pro instead of killing them all the time just because they don't have Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, and Julius Randle in it.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 27, 2013 5:11:16 GMT
They did this for 5 straight years now since the the Blake Griffin draft (right after the last TRUE STRONG DRAFT 2008 ACCORDING TO DRAFT IDIOTS). What were doing last year man? 2012 was considered the strongest draft since probably 2003. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2013 5:39:24 GMT
I really wish people would stop saying this is the weakest draft since SO AND SO. especially the online draft experts like Stein, Ford, Draftexpress, NBAdraft.net just because every draft does not have Derrick Rose or Kevin Durant doesn't mean it is weak. They did this for 5 straight years now since the the Blake Griffin draft (right after the last TRUE STRONG DRAFT 2008 ACCORDING TO DRAFT IDIOTS). especially on 2009 and 2011 draft which DRAFT EXPERTS KILLED THE PLAYERS AND LACK OF STARS AND DEPTH. look at those drafts now 2009 - Griffin, Harden, Evans, Curry, Rubio, DeRozan, Clark, Collison, Holiday, Lawson, Teague, Jennings, Carroll, Gerald Henderson, Tyler Hansbourogh, Jonas Jerekbo, Jodie Meeks, Danny Green, Marcus Thornton, DeJuan Blair, Dante Cunningham, Chase Budeinger. 2011 - Kyrie Irving, Enes Kanter, Tristian Thompson, Jonas V, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Nikola Vucevic, Iman Shumpert, Tobias Harris, Kenneth Faried, Marshon Brooks, Norris Cole, Cory Joseph, Jimmy Butler, Chandler Parsons, Lavoy Allen and least but not least ISAIAH THOMAS. Hell of a list!! Way to prove your opinion. Players from those two draft... For the most part...WOW |
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 27, 2013 9:24:58 GMT
They did this for 5 straight years now since the the Blake Griffin draft (right after the last TRUE STRONG DRAFT 2008 ACCORDING TO DRAFT IDIOTS). What were doing last year man? 2012 was considered the strongest draft since probably 2003. not really. Many people said they will have good depth but no superstars outside Anthony Davis. Only a few thought Lillard or Drummond would have superstar potential. They liked the draft but more towards 2007 (Durant) one superstar and multiple good depth role players then multiple super stars which 2003 turned out to be. |
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Post by Kevin Ware on Apr 30, 2013 1:00:15 GMT
The 2011 draft undeservingly got destroyed by draft experts however you can't deny that this draft appears to be pretty weak. There is not one player in this draft that you can say will probably be an all-star at some point.
I'm sure there will be some good players in this draft but what makes this draft weak is that no one knows who those players are. Usually you have a few guys who you know are going to at least make in in the NBA as a starter. In this draft you just don't have that. You could see it in the college season also. No one stood out as a sure star. Trey Burke looked great but there is question to how his game will transition to the NBA.
This draft may or may not be as bad as projected but either way I just can't see it being remembered as anything better than a slightly weak draft.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 22, 2013 20:44:32 GMT
Gleaning what I can about this year's draft prospects from YouTube videos. RealGM just mentioned that a lot of GMs are high on Oladipo, which I am also, I like him more than Shabazz for sure.
Here's my thoughts on Oladipo:
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Post by Ian Noble on May 22, 2013 20:51:43 GMT
Oladipo vidoes worth checking out:
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 18, 2013 17:54:33 GMT
I can't believe the Cavs are thinking of taking Alex Len #1. He's alright, but he's like a worse version of Jonas Valanciunas. At least Nerlens Noel will be a defensive presence, Alex Len will need to do a LOT of work to be a force on either end.
He's done ok in College because he's tall and quite agile but that's not going to save him in the Pros. He's got good hands and can rebound quite nicely, but he can't butter toast with his left and gets totally shutdown when defended. He makes offensive ugly moves like Wilt Chamberlain did in the 60s, when Wilt was able to rely on his uber height which Len will not be able to do. The scouts say he has a lot of potential but I just don't see it, and I also see a lack of heart, he's like Bargnani but without the offensive skill set and more injury prone.
I'm going to say this now because I'm guaranteed a late 1st rounder: Ben McLemore is the best player in the draft. If I'm the Cavs, I trade Waiters for a big man and have an Irving/McLemore backcourt.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 18, 2013 20:00:56 GMT
I can honestly say that if ORL wins the D5 lottery, Alex Len has about a 75% chance of being taken #1.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 18, 2013 20:03:27 GMT
I can honestly say that if ORL wins the D5 lottery, Alex Len has about a 75% chance of being taken #1. Wouldn't that be redundant considering you already have Valanciunas? Why not improve your defensive presence and pick a guy like Noel who can play alongside Val at PF. Or even McLemore to replace Gordon who you had to trade away. |
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 18, 2013 20:14:48 GMT
Noel has a worse offensive game than Len's defense, and Noel is a twig at the PF position. Len would start at my C and Val at the PF, or vice versa.
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