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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 31, 2013 16:31:03 GMT
... I've ever seen
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Post by Alex English on Mar 31, 2013 19:19:52 GMT
It's pretty crazy how the Lakers always get an edge from the refs. I've even looked it up before to see if it's just confirmation bias or something. Here are the results as of today, and they are exactly what you would expect. GP = Games Played PF = Personal Fouls OPF = Opponent's Personal Fouls DIFF= Difference DIFF/G = Difference Per Game
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 31, 2013 20:08:06 GMT
I think it's why I'll never be a Lakers fan. Not only are they the proverbial bandwagon, but stats like those (did you make that spreadsheet yourself?) are just so disappointing to see.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Mar 31, 2013 20:35:38 GMT
I think it's why I'll never be a Lakers fan. Not only are they the proverbial bandwagon, but stats like those (did you make that spreadsheet yourself?) are just so disappointing to see. Celtic and Heat fans aren't bandwagoning PLEASE STFU thanks. BTW Cousins jumped into Dwight in that play. Funny how Riley called your boy Ainge out and how Celtics get most calls in Bird era and no one said anything about that here seeing that Ainge complained a lot back in his day but yeah keep picking on the Lakers since they are the only team that gets calls. NO CELTICS HAVE EVER GOTTEN CALLS (CIRCA 2008 NBA FINALS GAME 2).
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Post by Alex English on Mar 31, 2013 20:38:36 GMT
did you make that spreadsheet yourself? Yea, I also made it to see if the Raptors are actually getting screwed by the refs or not. They've had a crazy number of bad calls in tight games, always going against them it seems.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 31, 2013 20:43:48 GMT
BTW Cousins jumped into Dwight in that play. lol c'mon man, if any Lakers player had that exact situation happen to them you would have lost your mind. Which was more of a foul? The Salmons call, or the non-call on Dwight? It is obviously the Dwight non-call...
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Post by Magic Johnson on Mar 31, 2013 20:46:58 GMT
BTW cute stats you put up, making it seem like LAL lead the league in most calls they get.
Here are the OPP NBA TEAM FOUL STATS FOR LAL since Kobe became lead dog in 2004-2005
2005: 19th (22.1) 2006: 10th (23.3) 2007: 9th (23.1) 2008: 3rd (23.1) 2009: 7th (22.4) 2010: 10th(21.6) 2011: 17th (20.8) 2012: 9th (20.4)
so yeah LAL gets calls
but you make it sound like they get EVERY SINGLE CALL.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Mar 31, 2013 20:58:14 GMT
Uploaded with ImageShack.usCUTE that the Queens fan cut out the Salmons hitting Kobe in the arm but not the Dwight foul.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 31, 2013 21:24:18 GMT
BTW cute stats you put up, making it seem like LAL lead the league in most calls they get. Here are the OPP NBA TEAM FOUL STATS FOR LAL since Kobe became lead dog in 2004-2005 2005: 19th (22.1) 2006: 10th (23.3) 2007: 9th (23.1) 2008: 3rd (23.1) 2009: 7th (22.4) 2010: 10th(21.6) 2011: 17th (20.8) 2012: 9th (20.4) so yeah LAL gets calls but you make it sound like they get EVERY SINGLE CALL. Where did you get your data? Here is what I got, these are totals though, but it wouldn't change the placing since they play the same number of games. 2005: 1814 (19th) 2006: 1925 (8th) 2007: 1916 (8th) 2008: 1850 (5th) 2009: 1816 (8th) 2010: 1737 (12th) 2011: 1700 (18th) 2012: 1332 (10th) This isn't the whole story though, here are fouls against the Lakers: 2005: 1794 (24th) 2006: 1894 (13th) 2007: 1889 (11th) 2008: 1691 (16th) 2009: 1698 (14th) 2010: 1592 (27th) 2011: 1555 (29th) 2012: 1109 (30th) Always less calls against them, the difference has been at least 100 since 2008. In fact the last time the Lakers had more fouls against them than their opponents was during the 1994-95 season. That will be 18 straight seasons and counting at the end of this year. That is an impressive streak for David Stern and the boys.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 31, 2013 21:29:29 GMT
Uploaded with ImageShack.usCUTE that the Queens fan cut out the Salmons hitting Kobe in the arm but not the Dwight foul. You think the guy who made the video cut out those frames?! That's hilarious! Watch the video again, you can see Salmons arm swing by Kobe, if he touched him it was a very light graze. Also if those frames were cut out it would be very obvious, the video would skip ahead at that point and it would be choppy.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 1, 2013 8:08:31 GMT
Uploaded with ImageShack.usCUTE that the Queens fan cut out the Salmons hitting Kobe in the arm but not the Dwight foul. I think, if anything, this screenshot proves there was no foul.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 1, 2013 17:00:04 GMT
MOAR:
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 1, 2013 17:00:59 GMT
I wonder if we'll see more of these crazy calls as the season nears its end and the Lakers are still in 9th position.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 2, 2013 2:24:41 GMT
yeah because someone posting on YT with Lakers conspiracy is so legit right.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 2, 2013 2:25:44 GMT
Uploaded with ImageShack.usCUTE that the Queens fan cut out the Salmons hitting Kobe in the arm but not the Dwight foul. You think the guy who made the video cut out those frames?! That's hilarious! Watch the video again, you can see Salmons arm swing by Kobe, if he touched him it was a very light graze. Also if those frames were cut out it would be very obvious, the video would skip ahead at that point and it would be choppy. actually whats hilarious is that he didn't show all angles of it, just the part where it made it obvious where Salmons appeared to hit him in elbow but it didn't.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 2, 2013 2:28:40 GMT
BTW cute stats you put up, making it seem like LAL lead the league in most calls they get. Here are the OPP NBA TEAM FOUL STATS FOR LAL since Kobe became lead dog in 2004-2005 2005: 19th (22.1) 2006: 10th (23.3) 2007: 9th (23.1) 2008: 3rd (23.1) 2009: 7th (22.4) 2010: 10th(21.6) 2011: 17th (20.8) 2012: 9th (20.4) so yeah LAL gets calls but you make it sound like they get EVERY SINGLE CALL. Where did you get your data? Here is what I got, these are totals though, but it wouldn't change the placing since they play the same number of games. 2005: 1814 (19th) 2006: 1925 (8th) 2007: 1916 (8th) 2008: 1850 (5th) 2009: 1816 (8th) 2010: 1737 (12th) 2011: 1700 (18th) 2012: 1332 (10th) This isn't the whole story though, here are fouls against the Lakers: 2005: 1794 (24th) 2006: 1894 (13th) 2007: 1889 (11th) 2008: 1691 (16th) 2009: 1698 (14th) 2010: 1592 (27th) 2011: 1555 (29th) 2012: 1109 (30th) Always less calls against them, the difference has been at least 100 since 2008. In fact the last time the Lakers had more fouls against them than their opponents was during the 1994-95 season. That will be 18 straight seasons and counting at the end of this year. That is an impressive streak for David Stern and the boys. where'd you get yours from, I got it from teamrankings.com not some arbitrary bullshit spreadsheet that someone made up. Lakers gets calls not surprising but you make it sound like they get 5000 calls and lead the league every year in opponent fouls called WHICH IS BULLSHIT. It's funny if it was any other team getting these calls you wouldn't say anything (like MIA) but since it is the Lakers it is offcially and universally accepted LAL = REFS = WINS.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 2, 2013 2:33:56 GMT
BTW to BOS who originally created this.
2003-2004: 22.0 (10th) 2004-2005: 23.5 (9th)
2007-2008: 22.3 (8th) 2008-2009: 22.3 (8th) 2009-2010: 21.9 (8th)
in opponent personal fouls
yeah BOSTON NEVER GETS ANY CALLS they always gets DISRESPECTED.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 2, 2013 2:36:20 GMT
BTW BOS ALSO LEAD THE NBA IN OPPONENT TECHNICAL FOUL FOR 4 YEARS
from 2008-2011
and ended up in 3rd for 2012 season.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 2, 2013 2:44:27 GMT
NBA Team Opponent Personal Fouls per Defensive Play
for both Lakers and Celtics since big 3 and Pau came to LAL.
2008: BOS 21.7 (2nd), LAL 21.2 (5th) 2009: BOS 21.2 (4th), LAL 20.5 (12th) 2010: BOS 21.3 (3rd), LAL 20.1 (11th) 2011: BOS 19.9 (15th), LAL 19.6 (17th) 2012: BOS 18.5 (16th), LAL 19.1 (9th) 2013: BOS 18.8 (13th), LAL 20.9 (2nd)
Yup Lakers lead every year and Celtics never lead in anything.
Yup Lakers only team to ever get calls
Yup no other team in NBA history has ever gotten calls, ONLY THE LAKERS HAVE
Yup Lakers have most calls (but so does a lot of other teams).
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Post by Alex English on Apr 2, 2013 3:01:03 GMT
yeah because someone posting on YT with Lakers conspiracy is so legit right. Someone posting on Youtube doesn't make it illegitimate either. That's a fallacy. What's wrong with the content? Are you saying those were good calls by the refs? where'd you get yours from, I got it from teamrankings.com not some arbitrary bullshit spreadsheet that someone made up. I got everything from www.basketball-reference.com/ and none of that data is mine, so what about the spreadsheet is arbitrary or bullshit? It's funny if it was any other team getting these calls you wouldn't say anything (like MIA) but since it is the Lakers it is offcially and universally accepted LAL = REFS = WINS. Why do you say I wouldn't say anything? I'm actually kind of a Lakers fan and I really don't care for Lebron that much. But if you look the Heat's opponents get only 1.75 more foul calls compared to 4.84 for Lakers' opponents. I like reality more than fanboyism. Lakers gets calls not surprising Well good, I'm happy we can agree on something.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 2, 2013 3:07:26 GMT
Yup Lakers lead every year and Celtics never lead in anything. Well actually if you look at the stats this just isn't true. Yup Lakers only team to ever get calls I disagree, can you back up this claim? Yup no other team in NBA history has ever gotten calls, ONLY THE LAKERS HAVE Once again can you back up this statement? I find it hard to believe that only the Lakers have gotten beneficial treatment from the refs.
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Post by Magic Johnson on Apr 2, 2013 18:43:52 GMT
Well actually if you look at the stats this just isn't true.
I just showed some stats that posts other teams over LAL try again.
I disagree, can you back up this claim?
Once again can you back up this statement? I find it hard to believe that only the Lakers have gotten beneficial treatment from the refs.
Thanks for playing
BTW don't say you are a Laker fan when you clearly said at the beginning of the post that you are a Raptors fan guys like you piss me off when you masquerade as one and then bash on them just because your team doesn't get the calls.
I wouldn't even bother responding to this post by you or BOS if BOS didn't single handedly keep outcasting the Lakers as the ONLY TEAM TO EVER GET CALLS and no other team in NBA history ever got calls.
And that's my main problem with this is.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2013 18:58:20 GMT
I'm saying that the Lakers receive more favourable calls than any other team, especially at this time of year, directly as a result of them being the most profitable and popular team in the league.
I'm not saying they're the ONLY TEAM to get favourable calls.
I think, in general, it's fair to say that superstars are the ones who get the favourable calls.
But when it comes to teams, the Lakers are the superstars of the NBA, they get more favourable calls than the role-player teams like the Kings.
It is very unprofitable for the NBA if the Lakers do not make the playoffs. Even if the Lakers lose to the 1st Seed in 4 games, it's still going to be a big pull.
I think it's a very subtle refereeing bias most of the time, but I think the referees know that they should be biased or they wont go far in the league, they'll be valued less by the brass at the top (Stern, Silver and the owners), their paychecks will be just a little smaller, their careers a little less safe - all that capitalist crap that infects the world on a daily basis, if you look closely enough with open eyes.
It's not that I even particularly care, I don't hate the Lakers, I love the team's identity and character, it's beautiful and artistic and amazing, like so many other teams, but I think it's matter-of-fact that they receive favourable calls which, over the course of a season, amount to the Lakers being in a better position than they should be because the reputation and the legacy of so many marquee players is up for scrutiny this year.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2013 20:09:44 GMT
Actually the most blatantly rigged play/game/series was this:
And don't discount what Tim Donaghy said just because he was gambling on the outcomes.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 2, 2013 21:36:07 GMT
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Post by Alex English on Apr 2, 2013 23:02:23 GMT
Well actually if you look at the stats this just isn't true. I just showed some stats that posts other teams over LAL try again. I disagree, can you back up this claim? Once again can you back up this statement? I find it hard to believe that only the Lakers have gotten beneficial treatment from the refs. Thanks for playing Ok I'm pretty confused about this whole bit. I acted like you were actually claiming those sarcastic statements were true. I don't think only the Lakers get calls. I didn't say that, in fact, no one has said that. You are straw-manning everyone. BTW don't say you are a Laker fan when you clearly said at the beginning of the post that you are a Raptors fan guys like you piss me off when you masquerade as one and then bash on them just because your team doesn't get the calls. I am a Raptors fan, they are my favourite team. But I started watching the NBA during the Shaq and Kobe three-peat so I kind of like them too. I'm not even sure what you're saying with the second part of this sentence but you sure are reading into my motivations a lot. I wouldn't even bother responding to this post by you or BOS if BOS didn't single handedly keep outcasting the Lakers as the ONLY TEAM TO EVER GET CALLS and no other team in NBA history ever got calls.
And that's my main problem with this is. This is what I was saying man, nobody is saying they are the only team to get calls. You are arguing against a position that none of us have taken. The Lakers get beneficial treatment from the refs, probably more than any other team in the NBA. Other teams get calls too, but usually not as much. That's all the thread is about.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 0:55:00 GMT
I was a huge fan of the Shaq/Kobe Lakers back then, but I still question the outcome of this series. In all honesty this video does not show the most incredible part of the whole thing; I mean Kobe hit like 435234853425984230950 3's in the last 6 minutes!
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 13, 2013 14:17:55 GMT
Tonight's game LAL vs GSW: LAL - 38/50 FTA GSW - 13/16 FTA I think it's time to bet that the Lakers will grab 8th seed, lol. edit: I hope Kobe's injury is not too bad though. I really feel bad for him
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Post by Kevin Ware on Apr 13, 2013 16:34:18 GMT
Nothing not bad about an achilles injury sadly. I feel bad too.
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