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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 4, 2023 14:50:43 GMT
 Brooklyn Nets Send:90 Paul George $46,793,775 - $49,658,700 75 John Wall $10,941,493 - $11,655,068 75 Patrick Beverley $10,350,000 - $11,025,000 Total: $68,085,268  Memphis Grizzlies Send:92 Anthony Davis $46,525,194 - $49,771,13878 Jae Crowder $7,000,000 73 Oshae Brissett $2,035,562 71 Bryn Forbes $2,035,56277 Dario Saric $2,000,000 74 Edmond Sumner $1,017,781 Total: $60,614,099 (x125% = $75,767,623) Trade is made utilizing 2023/24 salaries. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 4, 2023 14:56:44 GMT
Illegal trade.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 4, 2023 15:00:12 GMT
You cannot use the salary of future season.  BTW. Congrats Josh. |
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Post by Monty Williams on Jul 4, 2023 15:01:30 GMT
Accept, with no real path to extend AD past the 23-24 season, picking up Paul George who’s a star in his own right isn’t a bad pivot. Kawhi was imperative that he wouldn’t sign for the Clippers unless they landed PG irl, and this is the equivalent to landing his buddy. We plan on running it back, plus some more additions to compete in a bloody Western Conference
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 4, 2023 15:40:15 GMT
I'm getting reports that Paul George was told of this trade after the team landed back in Brooklyn after winning Game 5 of the Finals in Golden State.
My sources tell me his facility access has been revoked and he will not be joining the team on the celebration parade.
George reportedly in "shambles" and team is clearly shook that their management traded a key part of their team mere hours after winning a championship. Celebration moods in Brooklyn are mixed with sadness as their star player and leader cleans out his locker.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 4, 2023 22:09:25 GMT
Can we get some reasoning from Brooklyn here? Would like to hear why they are trading away a star like PG after they just won the championship
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 4, 2023 23:36:40 GMT
Can we get some reasoning from Brooklyn here? Would like to hear why they are trading away a star like PG after they just won the championship Trading for AD basically ensures that I wont be tanking next season |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 4, 2023 23:40:09 GMT
But in all seriousness, it is obviously risky and probably dumb to break up a championship lineup. But I think AD is such a superior talent to PG that it’s worth the risk at this price. He is higher rated and 3 years younger. I am getting AD in a discount due to Memphis’ salary situation, which makes the value exchange too great to pass up.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Jul 5, 2023 1:37:28 GMT
I just remember that one time Memphis have KAT and Jokic then they got AD. This guy hates Big Men. ^^
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 5, 2023 9:10:23 GMT
I can understand why Brooklyn makes this deal because leading the GM Survey with 10 votes for "most disloyal GM" was just not enough, we truly need to see how far that bar can be pushed  Trading your superstar the same day you win the championship ensures there's no competition for that prize ever again lol. But for Memphis I don't really understand it. AD is younger by 3 years and seen as more valuable, and the narrative that they wont be able to sign him in 2024/25 is factually incorrect because the team has over $100,000,000 of cap space free that year by current projections, if anything you should be planning to put pieces around AD and Kawhi to entice them to re-sign not the opposite. PG's presence does nothing to move the bar in terms of Kawhi re-signing either. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 5, 2023 11:20:09 GMT
THANK YOU
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Post by James Kay on Jul 6, 2023 0:28:07 GMT
[T]he narrative that they wont be able to sign [AD] in 2024/25 is factually incorrect because the team has over $100,000,000 of cap space free that year by current projections, if anything you should be planning to put pieces around AD and Kawhi to entice them to re-sign not the opposite. That's not my understanding of Memphis's situation. Memphis's #1 priority right now is to keep Kawhi, and he will need to give Kawhi a 35% contract with max raises. Even with a 10% increase to the salary cap next year, Kawhi's salary will take up at least 34% of the salary cap. AD will demand a 35% max. This leaves just 31% of the cap for non-Kawhi&AD players. Memphis needs to remain somewhat competitive to retain Kawhi this off-season. Even if Memphis completely relinquishes the cap holds of Gobert and McCollum, Memphis still has $124,994,988 on the books, leaving just $11,026,012 to round out the roster. I don't really see Kawhi staying with a team that just lost 2 of their best 4 players for absolutely nothing. So, Memphis pretty clearly has to retain Gobert and/or McCollum, in order to have a shot at retaining Kawhi. Yet, if they want to re-sign AD in 24-25, they need to make sure to leave enough room under the salary cap, which as discussed above, means limiting the total salaries of non-Kawhi&AD players to under 31% of the salary cap. Maybe I'm completely misjudging the D5 OSFA market, but I don't see any world in which Memphis is able to retain Gobert and McCollum for <31% of the salary cap. Perhaps one of them could be kept, but again this really strains Kawhi's chances of re-signing this off-season, as Memphis does not have the cap space to sign similar caliber players (Not to mention this means ensuring the team in 24-25 is basically bare-boned, with a pitch asking AD to come sign with just Kawhi+Gobert/McCollum, when AD will likely have many, many other suitors and Memphis will not have the BRs advantage that re-signing teams usually have). Memphis is in a bind - in order to retain Kawhi, Memphis needs to re-sign Gobert and McCollum. Memphis simply has no other avenue to keep the team competitive. But by re-signing Gobert and McCollum, Memphis uses up all the cap that would be needed free to re-sign AD in 24-25. I'm inclined to accept this trade if no one corrects my thinking of the situation. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 6, 2023 15:00:16 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 6, 2023 16:42:09 GMT
I have to say, it kinda sucks that Memphis has to take on ~ $22M extra in the 2024-25 season in this trade, while also trading the better player. And not just $22M but, spending on at least one negative (Wall) and another neutral-ish on Beverley. So essentially 22M on Beverley as far as usefulness to the team I guess?
Don't think it puts me on a reject, but not sure that was mentioned.
Anyway, I will accept this based on similar thoughts that James has outlined.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 6, 2023 17:45:53 GMT
It does feel like Memphis has become a feeder team for Brooklyn this season.
And whenever a new GM jettisons their talent like this I do have to wonder why, if they did their due diligence, why didn't I get an offer?
Not enough to reject though, accept.
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Post by Mark Price on Jul 6, 2023 19:15:55 GMT
Trading AD for bad money and a podcaster that hasn't played over 60 games since 2019 is a tough scene no matter how you slice it.
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Post by Gary Payton on Jul 6, 2023 19:28:43 GMT
I have to say, it kinda sucks that Memphis has to take on ~ $22M extra in the 2024-25 season in this trade, while also trading the better player. And not just $22M but, spending on at least one negative (Wall) and another neutral-ish on Beverley. So essentially 22M on Beverley as far as usefulness to the team I guess? Don't think it puts me on a reject, but not sure that was mentioned. Anyway, I will accept this based on similar thoughts that James has outlined. yeah not sure this is good for Memphis now that I’ve given it some thought |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 6, 2023 21:29:52 GMT
It was never good for Memphis! It's not rejectable... But my biggest gripe was people trying to say this gives Memphis advantage to retaining Kawhi this year because PG will have BRs in 2025! Memphis will either be stuck with an aging piece of pure glass and forced to give perhaps the worst contract in the league to Paul George or he will trade him for much reduced talent because after this season starts the chances are his trade value is plummeting.
Josh dumped George right before his talent & value nose dives and we have people actually suggesting that the potential prospect of Memphis being able to hand George a $200M contract in 2025 means Kawhi will sign for a max to stay on the team. Are you kidding?
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Post by James Kay on Jul 7, 2023 2:25:28 GMT
But my biggest gripe was people trying to say this gives Memphis advantage to retaining Kawhi this year because PG will have BRs in 2025! No one says this. You, as you like to accuse of others, love to twist arguments. It's not that Memphis will have an advantage because "PG will have BRs," but because they will have a star who is not guaranteed to leave. It's not a difference between BRs and no BRs. It's a difference between 1 star and 0 stars. There is NO hope of AD staying. There is SOME hope of PG staying. As much as you'd support it, Kawhi is not going to close his eyes to Memphis's future. Yes, AD might've been traded. PG might be traded yet. But that does nothing to change the equation as Kawhi sees it today - whether Memphis even has the capability to have keep its star on its roster. |
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Post by Alex English on Jul 7, 2023 16:56:02 GMT
Brooklyn churns through star players like crazy. Seems like anyone that ends up there shouldn't even unpack. Beside the fact it's just kind of dumb on a superficial level, I can't say I see this as rejectable. I'll accept twice.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 7, 2023 17:01:55 GMT
Accept.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 8, 2023 19:24:25 GMT
Trade passed and processed.
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