Gary Payton
Former Thunder GM
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Post by Gary Payton on Jun 24, 2023 12:44:36 GMT
Portland Send: 2023 #7 First Round Pick Oklahoma City Send: 2024 First Round Pick 2026 First Round Pick Jerry West to accept |
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Post by Jerry West on Jun 24, 2023 12:45:07 GMT
Sure, seems ok with me I guess
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Post by Alex English on Jun 24, 2023 16:33:17 GMT
Accept
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Post by James Kay on Jun 24, 2023 17:57:11 GMT
Is this the level of attention the TC is giving trades these days? How is this an accept worthy trade? This is the 4th straight season that OKC has been a bottom 5 team. They have no other future 1sts but their own, and they are trading them away here. They don't own any of their own future 2nds. They have zero 80+ players on the team, and are paying $63.5 next season to Isaac, Porter, Fournier, and Beasley. With $87M on the books next season, compared to other teams, their cap space is hardly an asset. This team should not be permitted to send their 2026 1st round pick for the benefit of exchanging their 2024 1st round with current pick number 7, when their pick will easily be a top 5 pick next year. |
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Gary Payton
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Post by Gary Payton on Jun 24, 2023 18:23:03 GMT
Is this the level of attention the TC is giving trades these days? How is this an accept worthy trade? This is the 4th straight season that OKC has been a bottom 5 team. They have no other future 1sts but their own, and they are trading them away here. They don't own any of their own future 2nds. They have zero 80+ players on the team, and are paying $63.5 next season to Isaac, Porter, Fournier, and Beasley. With $87M on the books next season, compared to other teams, their cap space is hardly an asset. This team should not be permitted to send their 2026 1st round pick for the benefit of exchanging their 2024 1st round with current pick number 7, when their pick will easily be a top 5 pick next year. “This is the 4th straight season that OKC has been a bottom 5 team”. Only my first full season so irrelevant. “They have no other future 1sts but their own, and they are trading them away here”. Because potential trades from here on out, including one potentially involving 7th is completely out of possibility right… “They don't own any of their own future 2nds”. Meh, they hardly pan out, and I prefer to acquire established veterans with them anyways, see SloMo and Derrick White. “They have zero 80+ players on the team” Well yes, that is the point of trading for another top 10 pick “ and are paying $63.5 next season to Isaac, Porter, Fournier, and Beasley”. 2/3 expire, 1/3 will potentially be moved soon. 80 plus mill in cap space plus a young core heading into 2025 sounds enticing to me. “With $87M on the books next season, compared to other teams, their cap space is hardly an asset”. It is for potential contract dumps which enables me to acquire more picks/assets “This team should not be permitted to send their 2026 1st round pick for the benefit of exchanging their 2024 1st round with current pick number 7, when their pick will easily be a top 5 pick next year”. Unless you have a crystal ball, there is no way to know this. The lottery is a crap shoot, never mind the fact that maybe we just might improve? Also 2026 is multiple years down the line, again unless you’re a time traveler projecting the value of an extra pick is pointless. Lastly this draft class is much much much better than the 2024 class! LET ME COOK 👨🍳 🥘 |
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Post by Alex English on Jun 24, 2023 18:57:59 GMT
Is this the level of attention the TC is giving trades these days? How is this an accept worthy trade? This is the 4th straight season that OKC has been a bottom 5 team. They have no other future 1sts but their own, and they are trading them away here. They don't own any of their own future 2nds. They have zero 80+ players on the team, and are paying $63.5 next season to Isaac, Porter, Fournier, and Beasley. With $87M on the books next season, compared to other teams, their cap space is hardly an asset. This team should not be permitted to send their 2026 1st round pick for the benefit of exchanging their 2024 1st round with current pick number 7, when their pick will easily be a top 5 pick next year. Next year's draft class is expected to suck, and 2026 is too far away to really know. Especially because you can bet they won't be outright tanking. So if you guess a similar pick next year plus a 2026 mid-1st, I don't think you can say that's rejectable. It obviously depends on the players, and the draft is too much of a crap shoot to be certain about that. Also, you should check the cap for next season. Having $87 million on the books for next year means they have almost $50 million to spend in free agency. |
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Post by James Kay on Jun 24, 2023 19:27:15 GMT
Next year's draft class is expected to suck, and 2026 is too far away to really know. Especially because you can bet they won't be outright tanking. So if you guess a similar pick next year plus a 2026 mid-1st, I don't think you can say that's rejectable. It obviously depends on the players, and the draft is too much of a crap shoot to be certain about that. How can I bet they won't be outright tanking? This team has been tanking for 4 years with nothing to show for it. Why are you applying uncertainty in only one direction? That uncertainty exists just as strongly for the 2026 OKC pick to be the #1 pick overall as it does for it to be a mid-1st, if not moreso. Take a step back and realize that a team that just finished bottom 5 with no immediate path to improvement is trading away picks that at this time would be projected to be the 2nd best lottery odds for the 7th overall pick. OKC is far and away the worst positioned D5 team right now. Allowing them to move a pick two years into the future is ludicrous. Also, you should check the cap for next season. Having $87 million on the books for next year means they have almost $50 million to spend in free agency. You should check my post - I know what the cap is next season. Having $87 million on the books is not an asset "compared to other teams." |
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Gary Payton
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Post by Gary Payton on Jun 24, 2023 20:31:42 GMT
Next year's draft class is expected to suck, and 2026 is too far away to really know. Especially because you can bet they won't be outright tanking. So if you guess a similar pick next year plus a 2026 mid-1st, I don't think you can say that's rejectable. It obviously depends on the players, and the draft is too much of a crap shoot to be certain about that. How can I bet they won't be outright tanking? This team has been tanking for 4 years with nothing to show for it. Why are you applying uncertainty in only one direction? That uncertainty exists just as strongly for the 2026 OKC pick to be the #1 pick overall as it does for it to be a mid-1st, if not moreso. Take a step back and realize that a team that just finished bottom 5 with no immediate path to improvement is trading away picks that at this time would be projected to be the 2nd best lottery odds for the 7th overall pick. OKC is far and away the worst positioned D5 team right now. Allowing them to move a pick two years into the future is ludicrous. Also, you should check the cap for next season. Having $87 million on the books for next year means they have almost $50 million to spend in free agency. You should check my post - I know what the cap is next season. Having $87 million on the books is not an asset "compared to other teams." you’re applying precious gm feats to me because WHY? Not only am I attempting to acquire another premium talent in a better draft, trading away future picks almost ensures I won’t be tanking, besides adding in a distant 2026 pick, which may or may not be worth anything, your argument is flawed. |
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Post by James Kay on Jun 24, 2023 21:07:22 GMT
you’re applying precious gm feats to me because WHY? Not only am I attempting to acquire another premium talent in a better draft, trading away future picks almost ensures I won’t be tanking, besides adding in a distant 2026 pick, which may or may not be worth anything, your argument is flawed.  |
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Gary Payton
Former Thunder GM
Rookie
Posts: 129
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Post by Gary Payton on Jun 26, 2023 10:32:30 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 26, 2023 10:52:42 GMT
I think if OKC were not getting back a lottery pick I'd be concerned enough to reject, but I will accept.
It's not a trade I would advise making but it at least involves getting rebuilding youth back.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 26, 2023 15:43:17 GMT
#7 this year, especially right now, guaranteed to know who you are getting, is worth quite a bit more than 2024 1st in a class that's currently consensus "bad" and we do not know where OKC will finish. My team really looked terrible on paper for 4-5 months and yet I made the play-in, almost the playoffs. We just don't know shit.
2024 could def be high-ish lotto but we don't know and with the class being so much worse, that's not a fair swap.
Now...2026 1st to finish this off. It feels a little heavy. But, maybe if we flip this:
2026 1st for #7 currently: Future picks are by nature worth less than current picks. We know the value now, we don't know the value in the future. It's a lottery ticket on a potential lottery pick, but OKC has some young pieces that COULD develop, including #7 in this hypothetical. And he'll be motivated, you would assume, to not have this be a really great pick.
I'd probably "accept" #7 for 2026 1st, but I understand Jerry saying no, for sure. So now, we "add-in" a 2024 1st in a bad class, and I do think it's close enough.
I am also watching Payton closely after this, but, it's just "okay enough" for me.
Accept.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 26, 2023 15:46:55 GMT
Trade passed and processed. Gary Payton is on the clock at #7 |
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