Gary Payton
Former Thunder GM
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Post by Gary Payton on Mar 14, 2023 16:10:02 GMT
Dejounte Murray: 85
Suggested rating: 83
Last years stats:
21.1 pts
9.2 assists
8.3 rebounds
2.0 steals
0.3 blocks
46/33/79 splits
This years stats:
20.6 pts
6.0 assists
5.4 rebounds
1.5 steals
0.3 blocks
46/36/84 splits
While still a good player, it’s clear he isn’t going to be a stat stuffer the way he was on the Spurs, he’s become somewhat more efficient, not having the be the primary ball handler/scorer, however he’s also weirdly declined defensively. The Hawks brought him in to cover Trae’s defensive deficiencies, yet somehow they’re still a glaring issue. The Hawks have probably been the most disappointing team in basketball. The offensive counting stats are nice, but it feels like he’s getting by on reputation from an overall perspective
Advanced stats:
79th in OEPM, behind players like Looney, Thomas Bryant, Alec Burks, etc… meh
-0.4 DEPM which is good for 249th
87th in offensive raptor
171st in defensive raptor
139th in total raptor
-4.1 pts/possession when he’s on the floor offensively, comparatively the Hawks are +9.7 when Trae is on the floor.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 14, 2023 16:19:38 GMT
83
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 14, 2023 16:31:52 GMT
Hmm. So he’s more efficient and on a better team, still putting up 20/6/5. Trae Young’s regression is the reason for the Hawks disappointing season, not DJs fault. I would die on that hill all day.
No change
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 14, 2023 16:37:16 GMT
84
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 14, 2023 16:43:41 GMT
Hmm. So he’s more efficient and on a better team, still putting up 20/6/5. Trae Young’s regression is the reason for the Hawks disappointing season, not DJs fault. I would die on that hill all day. No change @scal defend your 5”11 king |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 14, 2023 16:53:19 GMT
Trae Young's assists and made shots are fake. I saw a reddit post on it and I believe it without question.
If you take the fake stats out, Dejounte Murray is averaging more ppg, more apg and shooting more efficiently than Trae.
Please ignore the FAKE STATS that show Trae being better than Murray on offense in every area. Same with the stats that show the Hawks sucking ass with Murray on the floor and killing other teams with Trae on.
We did it Reddit!
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 14, 2023 17:45:21 GMT
Trae Young's assists and made shots are fake. I saw a reddit post on it and I believe it without question. If you take the fake stats out, Dejounte Murray is averaging more ppg, more apg and shooting more efficiently than Trae. Please ignore the FAKE STATS that show Trae being better than Murray on offense in every area. Same with the stats that show the Hawks sucking ass with Murray on the floor and killing other teams with Trae on. We did it Reddit! I’m glad somebody agrees |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 14, 2023 17:54:10 GMT
Trae Young's assists and made shots are fake. I saw a reddit post on it and I believe it without question. If you take the fake stats out, Dejounte Murray is averaging more ppg, more apg and shooting more efficiently than Trae. Please ignore the FAKE STATS that show Trae being better than Murray on offense in every area. Same with the stats that show the Hawks sucking ass with Murray on the floor and killing other teams with Trae on. We did it Reddit! But for real, DJ is actually shooting more efficiently, and there’s no question about him being better on defense. Don’t get agitated because your boy was decreased and it’s largely due to the Hawks struggling. He’s the franchise star, and the team falls where he fails. His shot selection is miserable, his efficiency is down and his defense is non existent. But this thread isn’t about Young, so it’s all good |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 14, 2023 17:57:01 GMT
Trae Young's assists and made shots are fake. I saw a reddit post on it and I believe it without question. If you take the fake stats out, Dejounte Murray is averaging more ppg, more apg and shooting more efficiently than Trae. Please ignore the FAKE STATS that show Trae being better than Murray on offense in every area. Same with the stats that show the Hawks sucking ass with Murray on the floor and killing other teams with Trae on. We did it Reddit! But for real, DJ is actually shooting more efficiently, and there’s no question about him being better on defense. Don’t get agitated because your boy was decreased and it’s largely due to the Hawks struggling. He’s the franchise star, and the team falls where he fails. His shot selection is miserable, his efficiency is down and his defense is non existent. But this thread isn’t about Young, so it’s all good Murray has a true shooting of 54.2% Trae has a true shooting of 57.6%. That would be by far the highest of Dejounte's career. But to be clear these are FAKE STATS. As is the on off data showing the Hawks with only Murray on the floor being a bottom 10 team |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 14, 2023 18:02:29 GMT
But for real, DJ is actually shooting more efficiently, and there’s no question about him being better on defense. Don’t get agitated because your boy was decreased and it’s largely due to the Hawks struggling. He’s the franchise star, and the team falls where he fails. His shot selection is miserable, his efficiency is down and his defense is non existent. But this thread isn’t about Young, so it’s all good Murray has a true shooting of 54.2% Trae has a true shooting of 57.6%. That would be by far the highest of Dejounte's career. But to be clear these are FAKE STATS. As is the on off data showing the Hawks with only Murray on the floor being a bottom 10 team TS% is such a shit statistic. Murray has a higher 2P and 3P% as it stands. Trae’s FT% is carrying that TS% HARD |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 14, 2023 18:05:46 GMT
True, free throws don't actually count as real points in NBA Basketball games. Thank you for correcting my use of FAKE STATS
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Gary Payton
Former Thunder GM
Rookie
Posts: 129
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Post by Gary Payton on Mar 14, 2023 18:56:13 GMT
Hmm. So he’s more efficient and on a better team, still putting up 20/6/5. Trae Young’s regression is the reason for the Hawks disappointing season, not DJs fault. I would die on that hill all day. No change This would make sense if it were true, you’re going to die on a hill when stats are easily googable? The advanced stats would say Trae is the only reason the Hawks are in playoff contention. He got docked because he’s inefficient, and his sim stats don’t match up with real life, but saying he’s the reason for their regression is a lie. Dejounte has been as bad of a defender as Trae, actually arguably worse as I check the advanced stats, and no where near as impactful offensively. We’re not changing this narrative to Trae vs Dejounte, as it isn’t an argument, the point is Dejounte is a definitively worse player than he was a season ago, and it’s mainly because his defense has slid off a cliff besides being good at jumping passing lanes. He was suppose to be the Hawks #2 player. |
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Post by Brad Stevens on Mar 14, 2023 19:12:16 GMT
83.9
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 14, 2023 19:37:55 GMT
83.5
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 14, 2023 19:40:06 GMT
83.67
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Mar 14, 2023 20:07:37 GMT
83.5
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 14, 2023 21:00:26 GMT
Defend your 5'11 king made me laugh
I still think Murray is an 85 though. 21/9/8 on decent splits with 1.5 spg while guarding the opposing team's best perimeter player? Idk, I don't think 85 is overrated for Murray. The Hawks overall are having a down year though.
I'll go 84.2
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Post by Mark Price on Mar 14, 2023 21:06:34 GMT
85
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 14, 2023 21:08:55 GMT
Defend your 5'11 king made me laugh I still think Murray is an 85 though. 21/9/8 on decent splits with 1.5 spg while guarding the opposing team's best perimeter player? Idk, I don't think 85 is overrated for Murray. The Hawks overall are having a down year though. I'll go 84.5 it’s 21/6/5 you named last seasons stats |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 14, 2023 21:29:10 GMT
Defend your 5'11 king made me laugh I still think Murray is an 85 though. 21/9/8 on decent splits with 1.5 spg while guarding the opposing team's best perimeter player? Idk, I don't think 85 is overrated for Murray. The Hawks overall are having a down year though. I'll go 84.5 it’s 21/6/5 you named last seasons stats Ooo thank you I was very confused about this decrease thread with those numbers. Little dip in production, increase in shooting splits |
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Amare Stoudemire
 Sacramento Kings
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Mar 15, 2023 1:24:12 GMT
84
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 15, 2023 1:37:18 GMT
84
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Larry Bird
 Indiana Pacers
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Mar 5, 2024 13:29:26 GMT
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Post by Larry Bird on Mar 15, 2023 14:40:24 GMT
84
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 15, 2023 15:10:15 GMT
I think his last-year stats warranted higher than an 85, in a vacuum. But, I understand why he was only an 85 (team situation / role, hadn't done it for years, etc).
This year, I think he's pretty much an 85.
85
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Monty Williams
Former Grizzlies GM
Rookie
Posts: 127
Oct 27, 2023 23:30:42 GMT
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Post by Monty Williams on Mar 15, 2023 17:08:27 GMT
83.5
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Mar 15, 2023 20:39:28 GMT
84
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 16, 2023 13:09:21 GMT
Bump above Mar 16 SW Closures for more votes
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 27, 2023 16:37:49 GMT
THREAD CLOSED.
New Rating = 84 (83.9)
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