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Post by James Kay on Nov 29, 2022 19:18:53 GMT
 Charlotte Hornets Send:84 John Collins $30,913,750 $33,232,281 $35,550,813 $37,869,344 $35,550,813
Cameron Thomas $785,924 $962,259
Salary before trade: $159,516,703 Salary after trade: $164,602,904
 Sacramento Kings Send:83 Tobias Harris $34,500,000 $36,750,000
76 Kevin Porter Jr $2,285,875 $2,295,956
Salary before trade: $142,843,502
Salary after trade: $137,757,301
This works within the 125% rule, although it will need to be queued until Dec. 15th of the season.
I am a huge fan of Collins, and he was a key part of my trade sending away Paul George, which I think says a lot. I gave him a full max this off-season, so I made sure he was paid, but I'm not sure the direction we are taking this franchise, and the opportunity to get a young player like KPJ was something the Hornets just had to take advantage of. Good luck to Collins and to the Kings.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 29, 2022 19:20:26 GMT
This trade is illegal and last year Ian outlawed queuing trades with players not eligible to be traded bc they just signed
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Post by James Kay on Nov 29, 2022 19:23:33 GMT
This trade is illegal and last year Ian outlawed queuing trades with players not eligible to be traded bc they just signed It's been frustrating to wait so long with so much of the IRL season going by. Can you link that change? It's always been the case that queuing trades has been allowed as far back as I can remember... |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 29, 2022 19:34:11 GMT
I accept Selling high on Tobi & KPJ for a player that I've always loved and watched a lot living in ATL! I've tried to get him on several occasions with no success, Sure he's struggling a little this year but he's been injured and with the Hawks getting Murray I think that's had a effect on Collins. I have no doubt hell return to form. I also am intrigued by Cam so we'll see how he develops. Thanks to the Hornets and GM James Kay Chris Webber |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Nov 29, 2022 19:41:35 GMT
I decline. Sorry guys.
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Post by Chris Webber on Nov 29, 2022 21:45:16 GMT
I accept
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Nov 30, 2022 2:33:06 GMT
This trade is illegal and last year Ian outlawed queuing trades with players not eligible to be traded bc they just signed It's been frustrating to wait so long with so much of the IRL season going by. Can you link that change? It's always been the case that queuing trades has been allowed as far back as I can remember... |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 30, 2022 2:57:14 GMT
It's been frustrating to wait so long with so much of the IRL season going by. Can you link that change? It's always been the case that queuing trades has been allowed as far back as I can remember... Cmon Brian that's from 2016 and if memory serves me right me and you did the Gordon Hayward deal last year under the same circumstances brother. You had just signed him and we posted and Ian was fine with it |
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 2, 2022 12:20:36 GMT
You guys will need to wait closer to December 15th time (in-game time) to post this I'm afraid.
The difficulty in queueing a trade comes from the system I've built around Sim Changes.
The Sim Changes spreadsheet sources directly from the Rosters, so making a change in the Rosters to reflect this trade will make players available on your depth chart who shouldn't be available until Dec 15th in-game. However if we don't reflect the changes on the Rosters then other GMs will not know your team's true Roster situation.
The long term fix will be some kind of complex back-end Rosters file which knows which players are queued and which aren't, but that requires time to build. I didn't predict this "use case" would arise.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 2, 2022 12:32:26 GMT
Understandable just void this and we will post later on in season Totally respect this decision and definitely don't want to make things more difficult for you Ian Noble |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 2, 2022 17:42:21 GMT
You guys will need to wait closer to December 15th time (in-game time) to post this I'm afraid. The difficulty in queueing a trade comes from the system I've built around Sim Changes. The Sim Changes spreadsheet sources directly from the Rosters, so making a change in the Rosters to reflect this trade will make players available on your depth chart who shouldn't be available until Dec 15th in-game. However if we don't reflect the changes on the Rosters then other GMs will not know your team's true Roster situation. The long term fix will be some kind of complex back-end Rosters file which knows which players are queued and which aren't, but that requires time to build. I didn't predict this "use case" would arise. Having this trade rejected, when we have historically queued a number of pre-Dec 15th trades, is pretty damaging to the GMs involved as it publicly ties the players' involved trade value to the value in this trade. Ian Noble, I'm not sure I understand the issue. If the trade is queued, why would the rosters change? If that is the only issue with this trade, I'm not sure it should hold this up. Simply place it in the queued trades folder and update rosters as we approach Dec. 15th. No? |
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 2, 2022 21:22:01 GMT
Ian Noble, I'm not sure I understand the issue. If the trade is queued, why would the rosters change? If that is the only issue with this trade, I'm not sure it should hold this up. Simply place it in the queued trades folder and update rosters as we approach Dec. 15th. No? How do we know whether future trades are legal? The Rosters wont reflect your team's situation. |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 2, 2022 21:37:26 GMT
Ian Noble, I'm not sure I understand the issue. If the trade is queued, why would the rosters change? If that is the only issue with this trade, I'm not sure it should hold this up. Simply place it in the queued trades folder and update rosters as we approach Dec. 15th. No? How do we know whether future trades are legal? The Rosters wont reflect your team's situation. What do you mean? This is a 2 for 2 trade, so roster spots aren't impacted. And the hard cap still can't be crossed regardless. What kind of illegal trade would look differently pre/post trade? |
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 3, 2022 16:55:05 GMT
How do we know whether future trades are legal? The Rosters wont reflect your team's situation. What do you mean? This is a 2 for 2 trade, so roster spots aren't impacted. And the hard cap still can't be crossed regardless. What kind of illegal trade would look differently pre/post trade? Your salaries also change. |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 3, 2022 17:55:48 GMT
What do you mean? This is a 2 for 2 trade, so roster spots aren't impacted. And the hard cap still can't be crossed regardless. What kind of illegal trade would look differently pre/post trade? Your salaries also change. But the only way that becomes relevant is if we approach the hard cap which isn't feasible. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 4, 2022 12:08:35 GMT
I'm not going to introduce the extra complexity.
Until I've found a way to get around this we'll have to have a rule against queued trades until Dec 15th in-game.
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Post by James Kay on Dec 4, 2022 15:07:32 GMT
I'm not going to introduce the extra complexity. Until I've found a way to get around this we'll have to have a rule against queued trades until Dec 15th in-game. What extra complexity? You just brought up two complications and I responded how they wouldn't actually be complications. It's fine if you don't want to allow trades to be queued, but shouldn't this trade be allowed, and the strict ban simply upheld moving forward? It's already been posted and trade values tied to the trade here. |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 6, 2022 16:18:53 GMT
I'm not going to introduce the extra complexity. Until I've found a way to get around this we'll have to have a rule against queued trades until Dec 15th in-game. What extra complexity? You just brought up two complications and I responded how they wouldn't actually be complications. It's fine if you don't want to allow trades to be queued, but shouldn't this trade be allowed, and the strict ban simply upheld moving forward? It's already been posted and trade values tied to the trade here. ? |
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