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Post by Alex English on Jul 3, 2022 19:38:03 GMT
 Utah Jazz - Jayson TatumJayson Tatum is pleased to re-sign with the Utah Jazz after agreeing to a 5 year contract worth $177,754,063. The final year is a player option. Year 1: $30,913,750 Year 2: $33,232,281 Year 3: $35,550,813 Year 4: $37,869,344 Year 5: $40,187,875 (PO) Jayson thanks Detroit, Miami and New York for expressing interest, however at this point in his career he was not seriously entertaining leaving Utah. Jayson is excited to play with Bradley Beal once he returns from injury and hopes the two of them can become a dangerous duo that will quickly take the Jazz into contention. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 3, 2022 19:40:20 GMT
Nice try guys! Tatum is locked in for the long haul! Jazz Nation!!!! Welcome back
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 3, 2022 23:54:26 GMT
#freetatum
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jul 4, 2022 4:55:44 GMT
Ingram x Tatum > Beal x Tatum
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jul 4, 2022 5:12:09 GMT
Alsoi think he is eligible to Derrick Rose rule coming of a rookie contract with all star appearance and and All NBA team awards.
Which means he accepted less money than I offered to be with Bradley Beal. lol
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 4, 2022 8:15:50 GMT
Do you not need an MVP for that?
Also, Tatum shouldn't be at risk of leaving Utah after his first contract, imo.
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Post by George Gervin on Jul 4, 2022 9:41:13 GMT
Alsoi think he is eligible to Derrick Rose rule coming of a rookie contract with all star appearance and and All NBA team awards. Which means he accepted less money than I offered to be with Bradley Beal. lol Izzo is correct — he needs an MVP or defensive player of the year to qualify. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 4, 2022 13:18:15 GMT
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jul 4, 2022 13:58:11 GMT
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jul 4, 2022 13:59:17 GMT
When a player was eligible for his rookie extension, teams were allowed to offer the player up to 30% of the salary cap for a single season as the max contract if the player had been voted an All-Star starter twice, made an All-NBA team twice or won the league MVP. Prior to this, teams could not offer more than 25% of the salary cap on an extension to a player with so few years of service in the league. The rule was slightly adjusted with the most recent CBA so that a player is eligible if he makes an All-NBA team or wins Defensive Player of the Year in the season preceding the first season on the extension or in any two of the three seasons preceding the extension, or if the player wins MVP in any of the three seasons preceding the extension.
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Post by George Gervin on Jul 4, 2022 14:01:22 GMT
When a player was eligible for his rookie extension, teams were allowed to offer the player up to 30% of the salary cap for a single season as the max contract if the player had been voted an All-Star starter twice, made an All-NBA team twice or won the league MVP. Prior to this, teams could not offer more than 25% of the salary cap on an extension to a player with so few years of service in the league. The rule was slightly adjusted with the most recent CBA so that a player is eligible if he makes an All-NBA team or wins Defensive Player of the Year in the season preceding the first season on the extension or in any two of the three seasons preceding the extension, or if the player wins MVP in any of the three seasons preceding the extension. That’s a SuperMax contract which is different than a Rose Rule extension. The Rose Rule extension still is an “And” condition on all three levels. |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jul 4, 2022 14:21:18 GMT
When a player was eligible for his rookie extension, teams were allowed to offer the player up to 30% of the salary cap for a single season as the max contract if the player had been voted an All-Star starter twice, made an All-NBA team twice or won the league MVP. Prior to this, teams could not offer more than 25% of the salary cap on an extension to a player with so few years of service in the league. The rule was slightly adjusted with the most recent CBA so that a player is eligible if he makes an All-NBA team or wins Defensive Player of the Year in the season preceding the first season on the extension or in any two of the three seasons preceding the extension, or if the player wins MVP in any of the three seasons preceding the extension. That’s a SuperMax contract which is different than a Rose Rule extension. The Rose Rule extension still is an “And” condition on all three levels. reread the link |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jul 4, 2022 14:23:01 GMT
A Designated Player coming off his rookie contract may be eligible to earn 30% of the salary cap (rather than the standard 25%) if he attains certain criteria. Through the 2017–18 season, in order to be eligible, the player must be voted to start in two All-Star Games, or be named to an All-NBA Team twice (at any level), or be named MVP. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap#:~:text=Officially%20titled%20the%20%225th%20Year,due%20to%20his%20MVP%20award). |
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Post by George Gervin on Jul 4, 2022 14:27:14 GMT
It doesn’t change the fact Tatum isn’t eligible for one here since we don’t have a Designated Rookie Extension as an option. Additionally, the rule is clear that it is for the incumbent team to exercise — not teams who do not have that players bird rights. In the link below under the Designated Rookie Extension, it is a five year deal which implies only the bird rights team can make an offer. Therefore, your offer was still not compliant. cbabreakdown.com/contract-types |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 4, 2022 14:45:48 GMT
Homie offered an illegal contract lmaooo
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Jul 4, 2022 15:07:05 GMT
It doesn’t change the fact Tatum isn’t eligible for one here since we don’t have a Designated Rookie Extension as an option. Additionally, the rule is clear that it is for the incumbent team to exercise — not teams who do not have that players bird rights. In the link below under the Designated Rookie Extension, it is a five year deal which implies only the bird rights team can make an offer. Therefore, your offer was still not compliant. cbabreakdown.com/contract-typesI know that, but Tatum's contract should be bigger. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 12, 2022 11:30:29 GMT
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Post by James Kay on Jul 19, 2022 19:21:23 GMT
Ian Noble I think Tatum is or should be eligible for the 30% Rose Rule Extension. Firstly, I need to point out that the D5 Rule is confusingly worded, and also outdated:
"The Derrick Rose Rule
A player's Maximum Salary can jump to 30% of the Salary Cap if the following conditions are met:
Player is coming off their rookie contract.
Twice been voted to the All Star Team.
Twice been voted to the All NBA Team.
Won an MVP Award."
This is slightly confusing as to whether all three conditions are necessary. They are not, and never were. Further, in 2017, the CBA was updated to change the All Star requirements to a DPOY requirement. As per Wiki, the requirements are as follows:
Players who come off rookie contracts at the end of the 2017–18 season, or later, must meet any of the following criteria to qualify:
- Selection to an All-NBA team (at any level) in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.
- Selection as Defensive Player of the Year in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.
- Selection as MVP in any season from the player's second onward.
First, Tatum meets the definition under the D5 Rose rule as currently written. He was coming off his rookie contract and was twice voted to the All-Star game. He was also voted to two All-NBA teams.
However, as I mentioned, the rule was updated in 2017. If we want to apply that rule, Tatum might not qualify based on the exact season requirements. However, our rookie contracts last five seasons. It doesn't make any sense to use the exact season requirements for our rule when our contracts last an additional year. Tatum made the All-NBA team this year, which would qualify him under the IRL rule if this is when his contract expired.
So, Tatum qualifies for the 30% max under the D5 rule as currently written, and under the IRL as applied to D5 contract structures.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 19, 2022 19:26:21 GMT
Ian Noble I think Tatum is or should be eligible for the 30% Rose Rule Extension. Firstly, I need to point out that the D5 Rule is confusingly worded, and also outdated:
"The Derrick Rose Rule
A player's Maximum Salary can jump to 30% of the Salary Cap if the following conditions are met:
Player is coming off their rookie contract.
Twice been voted to the All Star Team.
Twice been voted to the All NBA Team.
Won an MVP Award."
This is slightly confusing as to whether all three conditions are necessary. They are not, and never were. Further, in 2017, the CBA was updated to change the All Star requirements to a DPOY requirement. As per Wiki, the requirements are as follows:
Players who come off rookie contracts at the end of the 2017–18 season, or later, must meet any of the following criteria to qualify:
- Selection to an All-NBA team (at any level) in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.
- Selection as Defensive Player of the Year in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.
- Selection as MVP in any season from the player's second onward.
First, Tatum meets the definition under the D5 Rose rule as currently written. He was coming off his rookie contract and was twice voted to the All-Star game. He was also voted to two All-NBA teams.
However, as I mentioned, the rule was updated in 2017. If we want to apply that rule, Tatum might not qualify based on the exact season requirements. However, our rookie contracts last five seasons. It doesn't make any sense to use the exact season requirements for our rule when our contracts last an additional year. Tatum made the All-NBA team this year, which would qualify him under the IRL rule if this is when his contract expired.
So, Tatum qualifies for the 30% max under the D5 rule as currently written, and under the IRL as applied to D5 contract structures.
Sir our rule says the following conditions need to be met. Jayson Tatum has never won an mvp. |
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Post by James Kay on Jul 19, 2022 19:28:06 GMT
Ian Noble I think Tatum is or should be eligible for the 30% Rose Rule Extension. Firstly, I need to point out that the D5 Rule is confusingly worded, and also outdated:
"The Derrick Rose Rule
A player's Maximum Salary can jump to 30% of the Salary Cap if the following conditions are met:
Player is coming off their rookie contract.
Twice been voted to the All Star Team.
Twice been voted to the All NBA Team.
Won an MVP Award."
This is slightly confusing as to whether all three conditions are necessary. They are not, and never were. Further, in 2017, the CBA was updated to change the All Star requirements to a DPOY requirement. As per Wiki, the requirements are as follows:
Players who come off rookie contracts at the end of the 2017–18 season, or later, must meet any of the following criteria to qualify:
- Selection to an All-NBA team (at any level) in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.
- Selection as Defensive Player of the Year in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.
- Selection as MVP in any season from the player's second onward.
First, Tatum meets the definition under the D5 Rose rule as currently written. He was coming off his rookie contract and was twice voted to the All-Star game. He was also voted to two All-NBA teams.
However, as I mentioned, the rule was updated in 2017. If we want to apply that rule, Tatum might not qualify based on the exact season requirements. However, our rookie contracts last five seasons. It doesn't make any sense to use the exact season requirements for our rule when our contracts last an additional year. Tatum made the All-NBA team this year, which would qualify him under the IRL rule if this is when his contract expired.
So, Tatum qualifies for the 30% max under the D5 rule as currently written, and under the IRL as applied to D5 contract structures.
Sir our rule says the following conditions need to be met. Jayson Tatum has never won an mvp. He only needs to meet one of those bullet points. He actually meets two of them. So he qualifies for it in two separate ways actually. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 19, 2022 19:28:43 GMT
Jared doesn’t wanna pay Tatum what he deserves. #freetatum
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 19, 2022 19:34:48 GMT
The D5 rule is super ambiguous so unfortunately don’t think this can be overturned. Sorry not sorry 😘
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 20, 2022 6:50:29 GMT
I believe the omission of the word "any" from the D5 verbiage indicates that all conditions must be met for player qualification.
As such, I hereby rule in favor of the defendant and order James Kay to pay Tom Izzo 2 2nd round picks for the time spent analyzing this case. Good day
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Jul 20, 2022 8:15:05 GMT
I don't think we need to overturn any decision, just change his contract to higher 30% max in the roster page. Because he was signed using BR, and his rookie contract caphold stays same regardless if he was eligible, it didn't impact available cap space Utah had, or any of the other FA signings they did. Then it's just correcting a "clerical error"  |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 20, 2022 8:41:42 GMT
I don't think we need to overturn any decision, just change his contract to higher 30% max in the roster page. Because he was signed using BR, and his rookie contract caphold stays same regardless if he was eligible, it didn't impact available cap space Utah had, or any of the other FA signings they did. Then it's just correcting a "clerical error" I disagree he gets the 30% though, so there’s an arguement to be made |
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