ECSF: [2] Detroit Pistons vs Cleveland Cavaliers [3]

[Ian Noble]

ECSF: [2] Detroit Pistons vs Cleveland Cavaliers [3]

Detroit won the season series: 4W - 0L

Series starts tomorrow!

[Ian Noble]

Game 1

SPACINGSPACINGSPAC	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPACINGSPAC
Cleveland Cavaliers		@		Detroit Pistons

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
Christian Wood		37	11/22	0/3	3/5	0	1	1	11	0	25
Zach LaVine		32	9/13	6/9	0/2	2	2	1	7	2	24
Luke Kennard		33	1/13	1/9	2/2	4	0	0	4	2	5
CJ McCollum		44	5/11	1/3	6/6	1	0	0	5	9	17
Mike Conley		32	4/10	2/5	1/2	0	0	2	1	7	11
Jordan Poole		23	6/10	3/6	2/2	2	2	1	4	4	17
Matisse Thybulle		6	0/0	0/0	1/1	1	0	1	1	1	1
Robin Lopez		21	4/4	0/0	0/0	3	1	0	6	3	8
Justin Holiday		3	1/1	1/1	0/0	1	0	0	1	0	3
Gary Payton II		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Cedi Osman		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Tony Snell		9	0/2	0/2	0/0	0	0	1	0	1	0
Yuta Watanabe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			41/86	14/38	15/20	14	6	7	40	29	111
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
DeAndre Ayton		43	12/23	0/1	4/5	0	1	1	19	2	28
Domantas Sabonis		40	5/16	1/3	2/2	1	0	2	7	2	13
Donovan Mitchell		43	3/11	1/2	6/9	1	2	1	5	4	13
Chris Paul		37	7/17	3/6	1/1	2	0	2	5	8	18
Dejounte Murray		42	8/16	2/4	3/3	0	1	2	6	7	21
Anthony Edwards		8	0/1	0/1	1/1	3	0	0	1	1	1
Dillon Brooks		18	0/0	0/0	1/2	2	1	0	2	3	1
Aaron Wiggins		7	1/1	0/0	0/0	0	1	2	0	0	2
Marquese Chriss		2	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Greg Monroe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Jonathon Simmons		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Luke Kornet		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Thon Maker		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			36/85	7/17	18/23	9	6	10	45	27	97
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

[Ian Noble]

Hanamichi Sakuragi for your sim changes I couldn't allow Luke Kennard to play Center whilst Christian Wood played SF. I switched them around and I mean hey, it looks like it worked out for you this game anyway.

[Ian Noble]

Game 2

SPACINGSPACINGSPAC	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPACINGSPAC
Cleveland Cavaliers		@		Detroit Pistons

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
Christian Wood		25	1/7	0/2	0/0	1	0	2	6	1	2
Zach LaVine		43	11/20	4/7	8/10	1	0	1	9	1	34
Justin Holiday		34	4/15	2/8	3/3	1	3	1	7	2	13
CJ McCollum		39	3/9	0/2	0/0	5	2	2	6	6	6
Mike Conley		34	3/9	3/4	1/1	2	0	1	2	6	10
Jordan Poole		20	2/9	0/6	1/3	1	1	0	3	2	5
Luke Kennard		15	3/5	2/4	0/1	1	0	0	5	3	8
Robin Lopez		22	4/7	0/0	1/2	1	0	0	3	1	9
Matisse Thybulle		8	0/1	0/1	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Gary Payton II		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Cedi Osman		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Tony Snell		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Yuta Watanabe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			31/82	11/34	14/20	13	6	7	41	22	87
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
DeAndre Ayton		37	11/18	1/2	4/5	3	0	0	13	3	27
Domantas Sabonis		33	3/11	0/3	1/1	1	2	1	5	2	7
Donovan Mitchell		33	5/14	0/2	1/3	2	2	2	13	3	11
Chris Paul		41	12/26	4/9	3/4	0	1	2	6	12	31
Dejounte Murray		32	4/10	0/3	1/1	0	0	3	4	10	9
Anthony Edwards		19	2/4	0/1	1/1	2	0	0	2	0	5
Dillon Brooks		14	0/0	0/0	3/3	0	0	0	4	0	3
Aaron Wiggins		8	1/1	0/0	0/0	0	0	1	1	0	2
Marquese Chriss		5	0/0	0/0	1/1	0	0	0	0	0	1
Greg Monroe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Jonathon Simmons		18	1/4	0/1	0/0	2	1	0	2	0	2
Luke Kornet		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Thon Maker		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			39/88	5/21	15/19	10	6	9	50	30	98
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

[Ian Noble]

Hanamichi Sakuragi stop playing shooting guards as centers whether it's Kennard or Justin Holiday I'll just swap them back to small forward and put Christian Wood back to center

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Jun 3, 2022 13:08:40 GMT Ian Noble said:

Hanamichi Sakuragi stop playing shooting guards as centers whether it's Kennard or Justin Holiday I'll just swap them back to small forward and put Christian Wood back to center

Check Basketball Ref. Holiday played C. It is also not unrealistic. We have seen defenses putting guards/wings on centers at the start of half court sets.

[Brian Scalabrine]

Jun 3, 2022 15:42:51 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Jun 3, 2022 13:08:40 GMT Ian Noble said:

Hanamichi Sakuragi stop playing shooting guards as centers whether it's Kennard or Justin Holiday I'll just swap them back to small forward and put Christian Wood back to center

Check Basketball Ref. Holiday played C. It is also not unrealistic. We have seen defenses putting guards/wings on centers at the start of half court sets.

This is absurd

[Jared Montini]

Holliday did play PF this season

[Arvydas Sabonis]

Jun 3, 2022 15:55:01 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

Jun 3, 2022 15:42:51 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Check Basketball Ref. Holiday played C. It is also not unrealistic. We have seen defenses putting guards/wings on centers at the start of half court sets.

This is absurd

It's completely ridiculous. Also Wood played 100% at center this season so he is definitely not allowed to play SF

[Jared Montini]

Jun 3, 2022 16:13:53 GMT Arvydas Sabonis said:

Jun 3, 2022 15:55:01 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

This is absurd

It's completely ridiculous. Also Wood played 100% at center this season so he is definitely not allowed to play SF

yup the wood part is 100% true. Should not be playing SF

[Chauncey Billups]

Ian Noble While we’re on the subject, can Lavine play PF? I mean come on, dude is a pure SG.

[Ian Noble]

Jun 3, 2022 20:57:00 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

Ian Noble While we’re on the subject, can Lavine play PF? I mean come on, dude is a pure SG.

It's not as egregious as the other stuff, also he did spend 14% of his playing time at Power Forward this year apparently.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Jun 3, 2022 16:13:53 GMT Arvydas Sabonis said:

Jun 3, 2022 15:55:01 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

This is absurd

It's completely ridiculous. Also Wood played 100% at center this season so he is definitely not allowed to play SF

Nah. We do not even have rules about that. Woods played SF.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Jun 3, 2022 15:55:01 GMT Brian Scalabrine said:

Jun 3, 2022 15:42:51 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

Check Basketball Ref. Holiday played C. It is also not unrealistic. We have seen defenses putting guards/wings on centers at the start of half court sets.

This is absurd

link tell me where is the absurd part mister.

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[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

link

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

link

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

The argument is that it is not realistic right? I just gave you three links stating that three guards, shorter than 6'5 are being tasked to defend centers. They do not have minutes in Center position as per basketball ref. Now, tell me why a 6'7 guy with a long wingspan cannot do it?

[Alex English]

Guards switching or rotating to defend centers is not at all the same as actually matching up and playing the position.

Basketball References positional breakdown is also not great, I think 82games is better.

Looks like Wood has only been considered to be a SF a few times when he was in Milwaukee. In those lineups Mirotic or DJ Wilson was the PF and Giannis was the C. Right off the bat I'd say it's wrong about Wood and Mirotic/Wilson, and they should be flipped, making Wood the PF. Then you have Giannis, who kind of breaks the concept of positions, and may have been the C, but would've been a point center in any case. So Wood was actually the most pure post on the floor even when being considered a SF.

Holiday played no minutes at C according to 82games. The only potential time when he did would've been a weird small ball lineup where LeVert is recorded as the C. I'd say that's objectively wrong, and Torey Craig would've been the C and Holiday the PF. This is clearly a mostly positionless lineup though with the Pacers experimenting.

So yeah, I think CLE is putting in some dumb lineups that aren't realistic. I wonder what the game does though, if you start Wood at SF will the sim just sub him to the C spot anyway?

Ultimately real life has a lot more fluid match ups and rotations that will be way too complicated for NBA Live. I think our lineups should stick to the most generic idea of positions because that's how the game actually functions.

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

Jun 4, 2022 1:40:14 GMT Alex English said:

Guards switching or rotating to defend centers is not at all the same as actually matching up and playing the position.

Basketball References positional breakdown is also not great, I think 82games is better.

Looks like Wood has only been considered to be a SF a few times when he was in Milwaukee. In those lineups Mirotic or DJ Wilson was the PF and Giannis was the C. Right off the bat I'd say it's wrong about Wood and Mirotic/Wilson, and they should be flipped, making Wood the PF. Then you have Giannis, who kind of breaks the concept of positions, and may have been the C, but would've been a point center in any case. So Wood was actually the most pure post on the floor even when being considered a SF.

Holiday played no minutes at C according to 82games. The only potential time when he did would've been a weird small ball lineup where LeVert is recorded as the C. I'd say that's objectively wrong, and Torey Craig would've been the C and Holiday the PF. This is clearly a mostly positionless lineup though with the Pacers experimenting.

So yeah, I think CLE is putting in some dumb lineups that aren't realistic. I wonder what the game does though, if you start Wood at SF will the sim just sub him to the C spot anyway?

Ultimately real life has a lot more fluid match ups and rotations that will be way too complicated for NBA Live. I think our lineups should stick to the most generic idea of positions because that's how the game actually functions.

As expected, you will be the one to bring out the real discussion here and the most acceptable reason why the line-up in spotlight should not be accepted. How will the simulator reacts?

But, you also contradicted yourself by using the old meta of positions as your justification in your examples even though you recognize that those are "generic" takes already and we have advancement to them.

Using size as the reason why my line-up is not allowed is laughable at this point as the NBA today is not basing on it already. It is about roles now and the reality is roles are flexible and diverse in the league today.

(I expected a lot from the veteran GMs here. Fortunately, Alex is always here saving them from failing my expectations)

[Jerry West]

The simulator does not use height therefore Wood won't be subbed in as C I'm guessing.

Also Hana's articles don't paint Gary Payton or Bruce Bowen as a center, they are misleading.

[Alex English]

Jun 4, 2022 2:43:38 GMT Hanamichi Sakuragi said:

As expected, you will be the one to bring out the real discussion here and the most acceptable reason why the line-up in spotlight should not be accepted. How will the simulator reacts?

But, you also contradicted yourself by using the old meta of positions as your justification in your examples even though you recognize that those are "generic" takes already and we have advancement to them.

Using size as the reason why my line-up is not allowed is laughable at this point as the NBA today is not basing on it already. It is about roles now and the reality is roles are flexible and diverse in the league today.

(I expected a lot from the veteran GMs here. Fortunately, Alex is always here saving them from failing my expectations)

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[Alex English]

Jun 4, 2022 4:43:38 GMT Jerry West said:

The simulator does not use height therefore Wood won't be subbed in as C I'm guessing.

Also Hana's articles don't paint Gary Payton or Bruce Bowen as a center, they are misleading.

The sim has primary and secondary positions, so I was sort of thinking that if you just put Wood in as SF but didn't change his positions then the sim would probably just move him back to C during the game.

I assume those two columns in the sim changes sheet actually change their positions though, so if Wood was set to SF that way I assume it probably doesn't adjust anything.

[Ian Noble]

Game 3

SPACINGSPACINGSPAC	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPACINGSPAC
Cleveland Cavaliers		@		Detroit Pistons

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
Christian Wood		46	6/13	3/5	2/3	3	4	0	15	1	17
Zach LaVine		41	16/24	8/15	5/5	0	0	3	7	4	45
Luke Kennard		35	4/11	4/11	2/3	6	1	1	6	3	14
Mike Conley		32	5/9	2/3	1/1	2	0	3	1	10	13
CJ McCollum		38	5/17	3/6	1/1	2	0	1	1	7	14
Jordan Poole		20	2/4	1/3	3/3	0	1	0	2	3	8
Justin Holiday		12	1/2	1/2	1/1	0	0	0	3	1	4
Robin Lopez		5	0/0	0/0	0/1	0	0	0	2	0	0
Matisse Thybulle		9	3/3	1/1	1/1	1	0	0	0	0	8
Gary Payton II		2	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Cedi Osman		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Tony Snell		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Yuta Watanabe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			42/83	23/46	16/19	14	6	8	37	29	123
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
DeAndre Ayton		42	5/22	1/2	4/6	5	2	3	15	4	15
Domantas Sabonis		24	7/15	1/4	1/2	0	0	0	5	2	16
Donovan Mitchell		23	7/10	2/5	4/5	0	0	1	1	3	20
Chris Paul		42	11/19	3/4	4/4	2	0	0	6	10	29
Dejounte Murray		28	5/8	1/3	1/3	2	0	2	3	3	12
Anthony Edwards		24	2/4	1/1	1/1	2	1	2	3	2	6
Dillon Brooks		19	0/1	0/1	2/3	0	1	1	3	0	2
Aaron Wiggins		16	1/2	1/2	0/0	0	0	0	2	3	3
Marquese Chriss		7	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	1	0	0
Greg Monroe		5	0/1	0/0	0/0	0	1	0	0	0	0
Jonathon Simmons		10	2/3	0/0	0/0	0	0	1	0	3	4
Luke Kornet		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Thon Maker		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			40/85	10/22	17/24	11	5	10	39	30	107
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

[Kareem Abdul-Jabbar]

Zach Lavine. ^^

[Ian Noble]

Game 4

SPACINGSPACINGSPAC	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPACINGSPAC
Cleveland Cavaliers		@		Detroit Pistons

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
Christian Wood		40	3/11	2/6	4/6	6	2	3	11	3	12
Zach LaVine		43	10/18	4/8	5/5	1	1	1	9	2	29
Luke Kennard		44	6/13	4/11	3/3	0	2	1	7	3	19
Mike Conley		38	4/7	1/2	1/1	2	1	2	3	6	10
CJ McCollum		41	4/19	3/10	4/4	3	0	0	4	5	15
Jordan Poole		15	3/7	0/2	1/2	1	0	0	3	3	7
Justin Holiday		13	1/3	1/3	3/3	0	0	0	1	1	6
Robin Lopez		3	1/2	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	1	0	2
Matisse Thybulle		3	1/1	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	2
Gary Payton II		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Cedi Osman		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Tony Snell		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Yuta Watanabe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			33/81	15/42	21/24	13	6	7	39	23	102
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
DeAndre Ayton		46	11/19	0/0	2/3	2	2	0	17	2	24
Anthony Edwards		43	5/10	1/3	3/3	3	1	2	4	4	14
Donovan Mitchell		43	4/14	0/3	3/4	3	1	2	8	8	11
Chris Paul		35	8/16	2/6	0/0	0	0	2	5	6	18
Dejounte Murray		38	6/18	0/5	1/2	0	1	2	5	6	13
Domantas Sabonis		13	5/8	1/2	0/0	1	0	0	6	4	11
Dillon Brooks		7	1/1	1/1	0/0	0	1	0	1	0	3
Aaron Wiggins		5	1/1	0/0	1/1	0	0	0	0	0	3
Marquese Chriss		1	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Greg Monroe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Jonathon Simmons		9	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	1	0	1	0
Luke Kornet		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Thon Maker		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			41/87	5/20	10/13	9	6	9	46	31	97
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

[Jared Montini]

The Cavs!!!! Huge win

[Ian Noble]

GAME 5

SPACINGSPACINGSPAC	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPA	SPACINGSPACINGSPAC
Cleveland Cavaliers		@		Detroit Pistons

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
Christian Wood		34	1/7	0/1	3/3	3	1	1	10	0	5
Zach LaVine		42	4/14	2/7	9/10	1	1	2	10	5	19
Luke Kennard		35	8/13	4/8	1/1	1	0	1	11	4	21
Mike Conley		27	2/8	2/6	1/2	2	1	1	2	4	7
CJ McCollum		38	2/11	0/2	2/2	0	1	2	5	5	6
Jordan Poole		24	6/14	1/4	2/3	1	0	0	3	1	15
Justin Holiday		11	3/8	3/5	2/2	0	0	0	0	0	11
Robin Lopez		7	1/1	1/1	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	3
Matisse Thybulle		21	3/9	0/2	1/2	5	1	0	1	1	7
Gary Payton II		1	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Cedi Osman		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Tony Snell		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Yuta Watanabe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			30/85	13/36	21/25	13	5	7	42	20	94
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

		Min	FGA	3PT	FTA	Tov	Blk	Stl	Reb	Ast	Pts
DeAndre Ayton		39	6/11	0/1	4/4	2	1	2	17	0	16
Anthony Edwards		40	6/12	3/7	3/5	2	1	3	11	4	18
Donovan Mitchell		45	8/17	4/7	2/5	2	1	2	8	7	22
Chris Paul		37	4/13	1/5	3/3	0	1	2	4	10	12
Dejounte Murray		22	5/11	2/4	0/0	0	0	0	2	3	12
Domantas Sabonis		24	5/14	0/1	3/3	1	2	0	10	3	13
Dillon Brooks		9	2/4	1/2	1/1	0	0	0	0	0	6
Aaron Wiggins		5	0/1	0/1	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Marquese Chriss		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Greg Monroe		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Jonathon Simmons		19	2/6	0/2	2/2	2	0	0	2	1	6
Luke Kornet		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Thon Maker		0	0/0	0/0	0/0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Totals			38/89	11/30	18/23	9	6	9	54	28	105
SPACINGSPACINGSPACING	S	SPAC	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPACIN	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC	SPAC

[Steve Nash]

Great series!

3-2 for Cleveland

[Jerry West]

Sabonis PA would like to have a talk with you Chauncey.

[Chauncey Billups]

Jun 6, 2022 16:18:09 GMT Jerry West said:

Sabonis PA would like to have a talk with you Chauncey.

Tell Sabonis that Hana found a loophole and is starting Lavine at PF (which he hasn't done all year) and he's getting exploited. If in-game adjustments were a thing, it wouldn't be an issue, but here we are

I wish we were able to control the amount of minutes per player, like in 2k