Larry Bird
 Indiana Pacers
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Post by Larry Bird on May 9, 2022 4:00:00 GMT
Lakers Trade:
86 Fred VanVleet $26,000,000 $26,000,000 $26,000,000
76 Kevin Porter Jr $2,272,400 $2,285,875 $2,295,956
2023 ATL 2nd
Pacers Trade:
81 Collin Sexton $5,147,148 $6,938,356
80 Kelly Oubre $16,185,393 $17,314,607 $18,443,820
1st 2023 Utah
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Post by Mark Price on May 9, 2022 4:27:47 GMT
I need picks and this is especially true for 23 since I don’t own my own pick that season. Getting a first that year was a priority for me.
I’ve wanted Sexton for a long time. I believe he’s a dynamic scorer who would’ve taken a big leap this past season if he could’ve stayed healthy. I am betting on him making the leap this coming season.
I love VanVleet and his game. But if you’re trading Paul there’s no point in not trying to get younger across the board. Sexton fits into the timeline of Barrett and Achiuwa much more than FVV does.
I believe in KPJ’s game but I’m not sure he’ll ever put it all together. The fit with Green is dicey and I’m not sure how many more chances he’ll have in this league if Houston decides to move on from him to make room for Green. His character issues are a concern that seem to continue to pop up. The idea was to get out before the bottom falls out again.
I accept.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 4:28:31 GMT
I think this one did not beat the deadline if it is 12Midnight, May 9.
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Chris Mullin
 Golden State Warriors
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Post by Chris Mullin on May 9, 2022 4:59:21 GMT
I think this one did not beat the deadline if it is 12Midnight, May 9. Have either team qualified for the Playoffs? If not, then they should be good |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 6:17:58 GMT
I think this one did not beat the deadline if it is 12Midnight, May 9. Have either team qualified for the Playoffs? If not, then they should be good My bad. Forgot about this part. Thanks Chris |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 9, 2022 12:21:48 GMT
This does not work under the 125% rule and the Pacers are over the salary cap (even after factoring in other trades):
Pacers Outgoing: $21,332,541 * 125% = $26,665,676
Pacers Incoming: $28,272,400
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Post by Jerry West on May 9, 2022 12:30:45 GMT
This does not work under the 125% rule and the Pacers are over the salary cap (even after factoring in other trades): Pacers Outgoing: $21,332,541 * 125% = $26,665,676 Pacers Incoming: $28,272,400 Pacers can add Javon Carter to make it work if both sides are ok with it |
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Larry Bird
Indiana Pacers
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Post by Larry Bird on May 9, 2022 13:07:48 GMT
Lakers Trade:
86 Fred VanVleet $26,000,000 $26,000,000 $26,000,000
76 Kevin Porter Jr $2,272,400 $2,285,875 $2,295,956
2023 ATL 2nd
Total Salary: $28,272,400
Pacers Trade:
81 Collin Sexton $5,147,148 $6,938,356
80 Kelly Oubre $16,185,393 $17,314,607 $18,443,820
1st 2023 Utah
Markieff Morris $925,258
Tacko Fall $934,234
Total Salary: $23,192,033
$28,272,400 / 125% = $22,617,920
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 9, 2022 13:58:11 GMT
I've just gotta say- I really don't understand this series of trades for the Lakers.
LAL has presumably decided to bottom out while currently holding the 8 seed and with just 8 games left in the season, which in itself makes no sense. He is trading his best assets, some of them being young players, way below value in order to get rid of them before the trade deadline- and then taking back a series of bad contracts in the process:
CP3
FVV
KPJ
Brooks
Bojan
for
Sexton
White
Pick ~20 in the 2023 draft
Some 2nds
Oubre - bad contract
Bertans - bad contract
Green - bad contract
Milton - bad contract
To top things off, the Lakers don't even own their own 2023 pick. So why bottom out at all, and especially why do it right now? Why not try to re-sign CP3 and get more value for him next season when he has a tradeable contract? Or wait until you get an actual solid offer for FVV, KPJ, Brooks, etc.? Surely the risk of doing that is better than trading a literal 90 rated player for a second round pick.
This series of trades has sunk a team that was probably a pretty promising trade destination. The team is now Sexton, RJ Barrett, Horford, and a bunch of bad contracts. If these trades are allowed to go through, the Lakers are suddenly a bottom 5 team in terms of player value.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 9, 2022 16:26:39 GMT
I've just gotta say- I really don't understand this series of trades for the Lakers. LAL has presumably decided to bottom out while currently holding the 8 seed and with just 8 games left in the season, which in itself makes no sense. He is trading his best assets, some of them being young players, way below value in order to get rid of them before the trade deadline- and then taking back a series of bad contracts in the process: CP3 FVV KPJ Brooks Bojan for Sexton White Pick ~20 in the 2023 draft Some 2nds Oubre - bad contract Bertans - bad contract Green - bad contract Milton - bad contract To top things off, the Lakers don't even own their own 2023 pick. So why bottom out at all, and especially why do it right now? Why not try to re-sign CP3 and get more value for him next season when he has a tradeable contract? Or wait until you get an actual solid offer for FVV, KPJ, Brooks, etc.? Surely the risk of doing that is better than trading a literal 90 rated player for a second round pick. This series of trades has sunk a team that was probably a pretty promising trade destination. The team is now Sexton, RJ Barrett, Horford, and a bunch of bad contracts. If these trades are allowed to go through, the Lakers are suddenly a bottom 5 team in terms of player value. What Josh said. Mark Price what's the plan here? Your pick next year belongs to Denver. |
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Post by Mark Price on May 9, 2022 17:24:36 GMT
I've just gotta say- I really don't understand this series of trades for the Lakers. LAL has presumably decided to bottom out while currently holding the 8 seed and with just 8 games left in the season, which in itself makes no sense. He is trading his best assets, some of them being young players, way below value in order to get rid of them before the trade deadline- and then taking back a series of bad contracts in the process: CP3 FVV KPJ Brooks Bojan for Sexton White Pick ~20 in the 2023 draft Some 2nds Oubre - bad contract Bertans - bad contract Green - bad contract Milton - bad contract To top things off, the Lakers don't even own their own 2023 pick. So why bottom out at all, and especially why do it right now? Why not try to re-sign CP3 and get more value for him next season when he has a tradeable contract? Or wait until you get an actual solid offer for FVV, KPJ, Brooks, etc.? Surely the risk of doing that is better than trading a literal 90 rated player for a second round pick. This series of trades has sunk a team that was probably a pretty promising trade destination. The team is now Sexton, RJ Barrett, Horford, and a bunch of bad contracts. If these trades are allowed to go through, the Lakers are suddenly a bottom 5 team in terms of player value. What Josh said. Mark Price what's the plan here? Your pick next year belongs to Denver. To not be the 8th seed 7 years in a row? I'm supposed to hope to spend $40 million on a re-signing a soon to be 38 year old and hope that he wants to re-sign and then trade him WHEN IF I COULD TRADE HIM FOR ANYTHING I WOULD'VE DONE SO. If you want me to stay the 8th seed in perpetuity that's fine. Idc. Deny my trades and I can just run it back and be the 8th seed for the fourth time in five years. I'd rather not. FVV and Dillon Brooks aren't going to be on my team when a team with Barrett as its best player is ready to compete (if that ever happens). FVV is 28 going on 29 next season. By the time Barrett is 24 and becoming more of the player you'd want him to become, FVV would be 32 and I will have had to overpay to keep him on his next contract for his eventual decline as most undersized point guards do. I didn't have first round picks 2 of the first 4 years I took over. I traded away a first to get Barrett because I really believed in his upside and wanted to pair him with free agents given LA's status as a free agent destination in real life. I haven't been able to get top level free agents and Barrett isn't developing as I'd like mainly due to being in a terrible fit in real life. I can either keep going down the same path of wasting seasons as the 7th seed or I can blow it up to some degree. The idea of just keeping this core together and running it back is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as acting like Chris Paul would have real trade value going forward. (And I never had his BRs so signing him probably would've required moving salary to begin with and relinquishing Brooks's BRs.) |
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Post by Jerry West on May 9, 2022 17:28:17 GMT
I think Mark could have done a better job shopping CP3 but he isnt wrong about not wanting to be a perpetual 8th seed
Long term this might be the best move
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 9, 2022 17:31:01 GMT
What exactly is this fixing though? How does getting Sexton and some bad contracts fix the trajectory of the team? It would make some sense if Mark owned his 2023 1st, but he doesn't.
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Post by Mark Price on May 9, 2022 18:05:30 GMT
What exactly is this fixing though? How does getting Sexton and some bad contracts fix the trajectory of the team? It would make some sense if Mark owned his 2023 1st, but he doesn't. I now own a 2023 first which is a big deal for a team that, as you astutely pointed out, does not own a first in 2023. |
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Post by Alex English on May 10, 2022 16:12:37 GMT
Like with the Chris Paul trade, if the Lakers are blowing it up, might as well let them fully blow it up. Accept.
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Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on May 10, 2022 16:53:58 GMT
1-0 I believe
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Post by Ian Noble on May 10, 2022 17:08:23 GMT
I accept
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Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on May 10, 2022 17:12:21 GMT
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Post by Danny Longley on May 11, 2022 5:40:51 GMT
Accept
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Larry Bird
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Post by Larry Bird on May 11, 2022 12:27:14 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on May 11, 2022 18:05:13 GMT
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