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Post by Mark Price on May 9, 2022 1:35:22 GMT
Detroit trade:
74 Enes Freedom $39,598,867
75 Davis Bertans $7,700,000 $8,000,000
77 Coby White $5,867,400 $5,883,066 $5,902,245
2025 Detroit 2nd
Lakers trade:
77 Dillon Brooks $13,000,000
90 Chris Paul $40,800,000
Do I love this trade? No. But, other deals didn't work out for whatever reason (mostly timing related). I always ran the risk of losing Paul for nothing in the off-season. Two straight play-in trips isn't exactly the most appealing thing for an aging star. I should've traded him midway through the season, but I was stubbornly chasing the hot start that we saw at the beginning of the season.
I've soured on Dillon Brooks over the year. He's a steaky player who doesn't seem like he's going to be reliable enough to become the mid 80s player I was hoping he would. I will have capspace to pursue him (and Paul really) in the off-season if I feel it's appropriate.
This trade is about getting back Coby White and a 2nd. White has been underwhelming, but I believe he has shown in spurts that he can become a dynamic point guard in the right situation. Taking a swing on him isn't as good as getting a mid first or a first in 2024 or so, but it's better than losing in the play-in and potentially losing Paul. The 2025 2nd isn't franchise altering, but it's something.
I accept.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 9, 2022 1:40:45 GMT
I accept.
Had a long, tough talk with Dejounte about accepting a 6th man role. He understood and will accept the role as the best 6th man in the league. His position on the bench will be short-lived. He will reassume the starting position next year.
We are trying to compete this year as best as possible, and this trade does that for us.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 9, 2022 1:50:38 GMT
brutal return for CP3. The East is heating up!
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Post by Jared Montini on May 9, 2022 1:50:58 GMT
I accept. Had a long, tough talk with Dejounte about accepting a 6th man role. He understood and will accept the role as the best 6th man in the league. His position on the bench will be short-lived. He will reassume the starting position next year. We are trying to compete this year as best as possible, and this trade does that for us. Fantastic move Chauncey !! |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 2:23:10 GMT
Did this trade beat the deadline?
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 9, 2022 2:55:57 GMT
Did this trade beat the deadline? Good question. I haven’t seen an announcement about the deadline passing |
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Post by Jared Montini on May 9, 2022 2:56:31 GMT
Did this trade beat the deadline? Good question. I haven’t seen an announcement about the deadline passing may 8th was the deadline and atleast for EST and PST you beat the buzzer |
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Post by Jerry West on May 9, 2022 7:33:11 GMT
Promises to Players
"If a player is promised a starting role during contract negotiations and this promise is not fulfilled, the player may seek a trade from the team he joined."
So would this be enforced? It's a 88 rated player we are talking about that was just told that he's getting benched for the playoffs after starting all year. If this isn't enforced now, when will it be? Might as well delete the rule.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 9, 2022 8:09:31 GMT
Promises to Players "If a player is promised a starting role during contract negotiations and this promise is not fulfilled, the player may seek a trade from the team he joined." So would this be enforced? It's a 88 rated player we are talking about that was just told that he's getting benched for the playoffs after starting all year. If this isn't enforced now, when will it be? Might as well delete the rule. I said I talked to him. He agreed! |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 9, 2022 8:11:06 GMT
Promises to Players "If a player is promised a starting role during contract negotiations and this promise is not fulfilled, the player may seek a trade from the team he joined." So would this be enforced? It's a 88 rated player we are talking about that was just told that he's getting benched for the playoffs after starting all year. If this isn't enforced now, when will it be? Might as well delete the rule. I said I talked to him. He agreed! Also, he’s an 85. SW incoming |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 8:21:14 GMT
Promises to Players "If a player is promised a starting role during contract negotiations and this promise is not fulfilled, the player may seek a trade from the team he joined." So would this be enforced? It's a 88 rated player we are talking about that was just told that he's getting benched for the playoffs after starting all year. If this isn't enforced now, when will it be? Might as well delete the rule. I said I talked to him. He agreed! LOL. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 9, 2022 8:46:15 GMT
Also I’d like to mention that my lineup will be fluid and Murray may not be the only one seeing bench minutes. This is about winning, and as a team we are committed to that.
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 9:02:10 GMT
If I've learned anything the past week it's that I need to keep my mouth shut even to my own brother and to be patient and not panic trade assets when initially passed over smh
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Post by Gary Payton on May 9, 2022 9:27:07 GMT
Trade should be fine as long as it was posted before 12:00am last night
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Post by Jerry West on May 9, 2022 9:43:57 GMT
Trade should be fine as long as it was posted before 12:00am last night Nobody has a problem with the trade, it's the consequences of it and the question if our rules exist or not |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 9, 2022 9:47:23 GMT
First of all - wow! Bravo Chauncey. You're welcome for that absurd Enes Freedom contract I was saddled with 6 years ago  This puts Detroit up there with the best imho. Secondly though I don't understand how the Lakers couldn't get more for CP3 than this deal, it's a chronic under-sell, statistically (and I think ratings-wise) CP3 is Top 10 in D5, which is also why this is so good for Detroit. I always wonder when there's big trades like this - if you definitely shopped around, why didn't I get an offer?  I guess because I've got noone to give but whatever The Dejounte situation however is definitely A Thing: Detroit were the luckiest team last OSFA and made one of the highest rated player poaches in D5 history by yoinking Dejounte from Milwaukee, presumably with a starting promise - and that's a promise that will need to be upheld. This trade can go through but the consequences of benching a guy you were lucky enough to steal from someone else will be followed through. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 9:59:06 GMT
Detroit didn't steal anyone, Milwaukee refused to match the salary. If Glenn paid up, Murray would be on the Bucks right now.
Paul had no trade value this late in the season. He waited too long to trade him. He could have gotten a better deal as little as 2 weeks ago but he was hoping for something better but nobody wants to pay much for a non BRs CP3 with only a few games left in the season. Paul's trade value /= his player value
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 9, 2022 10:03:03 GMT
First of all - wow! Bravo Chauncey. You're welcome for that absurd Enes Freedom contract I was saddled with 6 years ago  This puts Detroit up there with the best imho. Secondly though I don't understand how the Lakers couldn't get more for CP3 than this deal, it's a chronic under-sell, statistically (and I think ratings-wise) CP3 is Top 10 in D5, which is also why this is so good for Detroit. I always wonder when there's big trades like this - if you definitely shopped around, why didn't I get an offer?  I guess because I've got noone to give but whatever The Dejounte situation however is definitely A Thing: Detroit were the luckiest team last OSFA and made one of the highest rated player poaches in D5 history by yoinking Dejounte from Milwaukee, presumably with a starting promise - and that's a promise that will need to be upheld. This trade can go through but the consequences of benching a guy you were lucky enough to steal from someone else will be followed through. TBF I did offer Murray the highest salary per year. I’m not sure I would consider that a “steal”. Also, he was an 80 when I signed him, not the 85 he is now. With that being said, you’re right, and I will uphold my promise to Murray, the same way I’ve upheld my promise to Sabonis. I don’t need or want to damage my future potential signings over this trade. The Pistons are confident we can make this work for the rest of the regular season and into the playoffs. All we want to do is win, and I’m sure our players would feel the same way. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 10:03:38 GMT
Trade should be fine as long as it was posted before 12:00am last night Nobody has a problem with the trade, it's the consequences of it and the question if our rules exist or not We'll find out this summer if historic GM loyalty and being gifted a star player in free agency and then trading them twice actually has consequences |
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Post by Jerry West on May 9, 2022 10:05:45 GMT
Nobody has a problem with the trade, it's the consequences of it and the question if our rules exist or not We'll find out this summer if historic GM loyalty and being gifted a star player in free agency and then trading them twice actually has consequences True, hopefully GMs with history of not passing players around like hot potatoes will be rewarded. But you couldn't possibly fit that description. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 10:15:42 GMT
We'll find out this summer if historic GM loyalty and being gifted a star player in free agency and then trading them twice actually has consequences True, hopefully GMs with history of not passing players around like hot potatoes will be rewarded. But you couldn't possibly fit that description. Can you point me to a star player I've signed who I've traded? |
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 10:19:30 GMT
If you start twisting my narrative beyond what I've said then you're just having a discussion in bad faith. Clear distinction in what I've brought up between signing a star free agent and trading them vs trading role players.
We'll see what happens this summer.
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Post by Jerry West on May 9, 2022 10:22:13 GMT
True, hopefully GMs with history of not passing players around like hot potatoes will be rewarded. But you couldn't possibly fit that description. Can you point me to a star player I've signed who I've traded? Smaller players feelings don't matter. You are such an elitist Tom, it's unbelievable. This should be unacceptable honestly. Players should only sign for you if they are getting paid double of what they are worth to compensate for the mental stress you put them in. The people on your team named Giannis have to sleep at the gym because they might be moved to the other side of the country any day now. |
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Post by Jared Montini on May 9, 2022 10:24:02 GMT
Well I mean you have traded Randle 2 times in a 3 month span. It doesn’t matter if you signed him or not. This league has done away with realism when it comes to keeping players for the most part. The one your referring to tho is a good point and should be considered.
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 10:25:34 GMT
Ok. It's clearly different but you'll argue anyone for the sake of arguing. Where's that blind closing gif
Sorry to hijack this thread. Votes needed.
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 10:29:05 GMT
Well I mean you have traded Randle 2 times in a 3 month span. It doesn’t matter if you signed him or not. This league has done away with realism when it comes to keeping players for the most part. The one your referring to tho is a good point and should be considered. Our rules and general consensus has largely been focused on free agents making their decisions considering that's the one time a player chooses where to go. Loyalty has clearly been a factor in giving advantage to sign star players. Pretty big difference between flipping mid 80 players vs trading franchise players after poaching them from other teams when that player specifically chose a team over all other teams. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 10:45:14 GMT
Detroit didn't steal anyone, Milwaukee refused to match the salary. If Glenn paid up, Murray would be on the Bucks right now. Paul had no trade value this late in the season. He waited too long to trade him. He could have gotten a better deal as little as 2 weeks ago but he was hoping for something better but nobody wants to pay much for a non BRs CP3 with only a few games left in the season. Paul's trade value /= his player value They are using the word "steal" in a positive sports context. It is not the same illegal thing in layman's term. I hope, that is clear. |
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Post by Monty Williams on May 9, 2022 11:21:26 GMT
Bos/Det/Brooklyn gonna be very spicy in the East 😬
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Post by Mark Price on May 9, 2022 13:36:57 GMT
First of all - wow! Bravo Chauncey. You're welcome for that absurd Enes Freedom contract I was saddled with 6 years ago This puts Detroit up there with the best imho. Secondly though I don't understand how the Lakers couldn't get more for CP3 than this deal, it's a chronic under-sell, statistically (and I think ratings-wise) CP3 is Top 10 in D5, which is also why this is so good for Detroit. I always wonder when there's big trades like this - if you definitely shopped around, why didn't I get an offer? I guess because I've got noone to give but whatever The Dejounte situation however is definitely A Thing: Detroit were the luckiest team last OSFA and made one of the highest rated player poaches in D5 history by yoinking Dejounte from Milwaukee, presumably with a starting promise - and that's a promise that will need to be upheld. This trade can go through but the consequences of benching a guy you were lucky enough to steal from someone else will be followed through. Listen, we all know this deal sucks. I've been getting offers for Paul for three months and none of them are what I would consider good enough for him. I received one offer in the last year for Paul that included a first and it was for this year from a team that'd be selecting very late in the first. I believed Paul was worth more than that at the time (and still do frankly) but that deal disappeared due to waiting too long. There was another deal that I liked more, but didn't hear back from the GM until I had already told Chauncey I was going to do the deal (I figured the deal with the other GM was already off the table and needed to move Paul). Didn't really want to go back on my word for a situation like this. So yes, the deal sucks. I needed to move Paul and the other offers weren't exactly great. This is the kind of thing that happens when all of the good players are on 8 or 9 teams and everyone else is more or less tanking. The teams with the good players don't have desirable assets to trade and the bad/mediocre teams have no use for a 37 year old point guard on the last year of his deal without BRs. In conclusion, the trade sucks and the other offers that were at least better a month or so ago kinda sucked too. It is what it is. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 9, 2022 16:38:32 GMT
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LA Lakers
Detroit Pistons
Brooklyn Nets
Utah Jazz
Cleveland Cavaliers
Portland Trailblazers
Houston Rockets
Boston Celtics
This puts Detroit up there with the best imho.
I guess because I've got noone to give but whatever 
This puts Detroit up there with the best imho.
I guess because I've got noone to give but whatever 
