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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 25, 2022 15:44:16 GMT
Current: 85
Suggested: 81
20.1 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 5.1 apg, 0.7 spg, 0.5 bpg, 3.4 TOV
.411 / .308 / .756 splits
.509 TS%
15th worst TS% in the league this year. There are only 2 players less efficient than Randle in the top 100 shot takers this year (two rookies- Cade Cunningham and Davion Mitchell).
8th in the league in TOV per game and total TOV.
2nd worst player in the league in TS Added (only Reggie Jackson ranks worse)
Worst player in the league in FG Added
Ranks #226 in RAPTOR
3rd worst LEBRON rating among PFs with 2000+ minutes
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 25, 2022 15:44:56 GMT
81.5
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 25, 2022 15:48:59 GMT
Shocker.
Guy averages a double double.
20/10/5 is not an 81 lol.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 25, 2022 15:50:02 GMT
81
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 25, 2022 15:53:22 GMT
Going to disagree here. Efficiency is one thing but Usage is another, despite the crappy efficiency he's still the focal point of his team's offense, team leader and solid player, despite being a miserable bastard.
20/10/5 is not in the low 80s imho.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 25, 2022 15:57:35 GMT
Should I even be surprised that it's posted and within 5 minutes the first comments are all from the discord guys lol. Can I guess what the chat was like?
Josh: "Tom doesn't think Randle deserves a decrease"
Jerry West: "Of course he doesn't, Tom thinks a lot of things"
Jared: "I'll go 80 honestly post it lmao"
Brian: "His efficiency is bad he's not even going to be in the league in a few years"
Jared: "post it do it lol"
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Apr 25, 2022 16:00:26 GMT
Agree with Ian
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 25, 2022 16:03:19 GMT
Should I even be surprised that it's posted and within 5 minutes the first comments are all from the discord guys lol. Can I guess what the chat was like? Josh: "Tom doesn't think Randle deserves a decrease" Jerry West: "Of course he doesn't, Tom thinks a lot of things" Jared: "I'll go 80 honestly post it lmao" Brian: "His efficiency is bad he's not even going to be in the league in a few years" Jared: "post it do it lol" to be fair I started saying Randle needs to be lowered like 2 weeks ago. But you weren’t far off on the conversation. |
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Post by Brad Stevens on Apr 25, 2022 16:11:14 GMT
82.9
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Post by Larry Bird on Apr 25, 2022 16:12:29 GMT
Even when I had him, I thought he should have been decreased.
82.
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 25, 2022 16:19:48 GMT
Should I even be surprised that it's posted and within 5 minutes the first comments are all from the discord guys lol. Can I guess what the chat was like? Josh: "Tom doesn't think Randle deserves a decrease" Jerry West: "Of course he doesn't, Tom thinks a lot of things" Jared: "I'll go 80 honestly post it lmao" Brian: "His efficiency is bad he's not even going to be in the league in a few years" Jared: "post it do it lol" Damn it Tom, what's your alt account on discord? |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 25, 2022 16:22:43 GMT
83
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 25, 2022 16:26:48 GMT
I'm actually changing to 82.5 I think he is in the exact middle ground between high end role player on a winning team and all star
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Apr 25, 2022 16:26:52 GMT
83
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Post by Steve Nash on Apr 25, 2022 18:07:51 GMT
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Post by Larry Bird on Apr 25, 2022 18:42:52 GMT
I really think he is in the wrong spot.
He went to New York and they expected him to be "The Guy"!
If he were in a situation with a clear #1 and a defensive standout he would probably produce a lot more easily. If he was just required to be a microwave scorer for his team and someone to help cover on defense, it would fit him better.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 25, 2022 19:11:28 GMT
Hoping he gets traded this summer
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Post by Alex English on Apr 25, 2022 20:40:11 GMT
Just the idea that the same person would say Dorian Finney-Smith is a 79.5 while Julius Randle is an 81 is a joke. It looks embarrassingly bias. Yeah, efficiency matters, but role matters too. If you dropped Randle's usage to 13% he'd probably become an analytics darling overnight. Stock watch seems to have become a TS% and RAPTOR ranking without any consideration of what different players are being asked to do.
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 25, 2022 20:57:00 GMT
Just the idea that the same person would say Dorian Finney-Smith is a 79.5 while Julius Randle is an 81 is a joke. It looks embarrassingly bias. Yeah, efficiency matters, but role matters too. If you dropped Randle's usage to 13% he'd probably become an analytics darling overnight. Stock watch seems to have become a TS% and RAPTOR ranking without any consideration of what different players are being asked to do. 84 Randle is being bad at what he’s asked to do lol. Can’t give him credit for what he’s doing. Guess what, his numbers counting stats and advanced stats are worse this season than in NOP. Guess his rating when he was in NOP? An 82. |
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Post by Alex English on Apr 25, 2022 21:16:45 GMT
Just the idea that the same person would say Dorian Finney-Smith is a 79.5 while Julius Randle is an 81 is a joke. It looks embarrassingly bias. Yeah, efficiency matters, but role matters too. If you dropped Randle's usage to 13% he'd probably become an analytics darling overnight. Stock watch seems to have become a TS% and RAPTOR ranking without any consideration of what different players are being asked to do. 84 Randle is being bad at what he’s asked to do lol. Can’t give him credit for what he’s doing. Guess what, his numbers counting stats and advanced stats are worse this season than in NOP. Guess his rating when he was in NOP? An 82. There's a middle ground here. He wasn't bad last year, and if he was being given full credit for being a #1 option putting up 20/10/5 he'd be a borderline 90. So he's already being docked a lot. Randle has a resume that is much longer than the poor play he's shown this year. He's wasn't given a 90+ last year when he put up 24/10/6, shot 41% from three and led his weak ass team to the playoffs, so likewise he shouldn't be given such a bad rating for a year that looks equally anomalous on the low end. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 25, 2022 21:19:17 GMT
Just the idea that the same person would say Dorian Finney-Smith is a 79.5 while Julius Randle is an 81 is a joke. It looks embarrassingly bias. I'm not really sure about this take. Compared to each other, DFS needs additional ratings in defense, shooting, etc. Randle needs additional ratings in passing, defensive rebounding, and... what else exactly? We don't have a rating for Usage as that is determined by the GM in the Sim Changes section. I know you haven't voted on DFS, but where exactly are you finding 4-6 categories where Randle needs to be rated higher than DFS? I would almost argue it is the other way around: Categories where Randle > DFS:OAwr Ins Scr Pass Handle DReb Strong Fatigue 7 total categories Categories where DFS > Randle:FG 3Pt FT DAwr Steal Block OReb Speed Quick Jump 10 total categories Even if you remove the physical categories, its still 7 to 5 in favor of DFS. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 25, 2022 21:29:59 GMT
so likewise he shouldn't be given such a bad rating for a year that looks equally anomalous on the low end. Sir which of these years is the anomaly lol  |
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 25, 2022 21:41:15 GMT
82.5 — it’s very hard to objectively look at Randle this season and not compare him to his last season in NOP where, even then, he was an 82 putting up very similar stats on better shooting splits with relatively similar usage (2% difference there). I have long believed last season was an aberration that wasn’t backed by his play through 340+ games at that stage.
That said, what is totally irrefutable is Randle regressed massively as a shooter and a defender from last year, which were two of the biggest drivers for his jump in rating and ascendence to All NBA selection. This year he was one of the worst frontcourt defenders by most metrics defensively, and the shooting went off a cliff much closer to his career average. Some of that could be role ask which, as many have said, he is cast as a 1 when he is charitably a third option at best, but I would peg much of it on him returning to the form he had shown for years as a player.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 25, 2022 21:44:11 GMT
Just the idea that the same person would say Dorian Finney-Smith is a 79.5 while Julius Randle is an 81 is a joke. It looks embarrassingly bias. I'm not really sure about this take. Compared to each other, DFS needs additional ratings in defense, shooting, etc. Randle needs additional ratings in passing, defensive rebounding, and... what else exactly? We don't have a rating for Usage as that is determined by the GM in the Sim Changes section. I know you haven't voted on DFS, but where exactly are you finding 4-6 categories where Randle needs to be rated higher than DFS? I would almost argue it is the other way around: Categories where Randle > DFS:OAwr Ins Scr Pass Handle DReb Strong Fatigue 7 total categories Categories where DFS > Randle:FG 3Pt FT DAwr Steal Block OReb Speed Quick Jump 10 total categories Even if you remove the physical categories, its still 7 to 5 in favor of DFS. I'm not sure how you're putting some of those in favour of DFS, like FT especially. I'd move FG, FT, OReb and Block to Randle's side. So that's 11 to 6 for Randle in my breakdown. My main point though is that directly comparing them is apples to oranges. DFS has 88% of his FGs assisted with a 13% usage. Randle has 46% of shots assisted with 28% usage. DFS is basically the product of Luka and is probably never asked to do anything difficult. Meanwhile, Randle is supposed to make everything work for the Knicks. Obviously he's not very good in that role, but that context matters. We know that if Randle became a third or fourth option his efficiency would skyrocket. That wouldn't mean he suddenly became good, it's just his role would be more flattering. |
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Post by Alex English on Apr 25, 2022 21:49:37 GMT
so likewise he shouldn't be given such a bad rating for a year that looks equally anomalous on the low end. Sir which of these years is the anomaly lol Sir I think they're both anomalies. I even said that, "equally anomalous". |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 25, 2022 21:52:10 GMT
Shocker. Guy averages a double double. 20/10/5 is not an 81 lol. 84 How do you reconcile this with the thread you literally posted recommending a decrease for Westbrook to an 80? |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 26, 2022 0:27:18 GMT
People, stop trying to prove that you are not bias because it is pretty obvious that all of you are.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 26, 2022 14:44:22 GMT
bump - still open
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Apr 27, 2022 12:47:41 GMT
84
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 28, 2022 3:50:45 GMT
Shocker. Guy averages a double double. 20/10/5 is not an 81 lol. 84 How do you reconcile this with the thread you literally posted recommending a decrease for Westbrook to an 80? Bump. Or checkmate already? |
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