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Post by Mark Price on Mar 30, 2022 17:47:00 GMT
Barrett isn't the most efficient scorer ever, but he does have decent scoring numbers on a team with no offensive flow. On the season he's averaging:
20 points on .410/.347/.719 shooting with 2.9 assists and 5.9 boards a game.
He has taken a step forward since the start of February. In his last 21 games Barrett is averaging:
26.5 points on .404/.338/.749 shooting with 3.7 assists and 6.4 boards a game.
Current - 80
New - 83
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 30, 2022 18:04:49 GMT
80- if anything this SW should be going the other direction. He's gone from 18 ppg on 44/40/75 splits last year to 20 ppg on 41/35/72 splits this year, on one of the worst teams in the league. Until he improves his efficiency, playmaking, defense, or does literally anything other than be an inefficient scorer, I'm don't think he warrants a raise.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 30, 2022 18:05:36 GMT
80
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Post by Brad Stevens on Mar 30, 2022 18:09:09 GMT
81.8
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 30, 2022 18:11:42 GMT
82
Very similar archetype as a player statistically to Anthony Edwards and Andrew Wiggins, including similar physical gifts and maddening consistency/efficiency issues. That being said, both of those aforementioned guys got to an 82 and have plateaued — it’s fair to elevate RJ to that level with the understanding (Josh already pointed it out) he’s got to improve a lot on multiple fronts to warrant anything in the future
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 30, 2022 18:17:19 GMT
TS%
RJ 51.4
Wiggins 55.6
Ant 55.3
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 30, 2022 18:36:49 GMT
81
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 30, 2022 18:54:39 GMT
81
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Mar 30, 2022 19:34:35 GMT
80.5
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Post by Mark Price on Mar 30, 2022 20:19:42 GMT
TS% RJ 51.4 Wiggins 55.6 Ant 55.3 Barrett 5.7 FTA per game Wiggins 3.1 FTA per game Edwards 3.8 FTA per game TS% doesn't do a great job of factoring how many FT attempts per game someone is getting and how many fouls they are drawing. For instance, Barrett is drawing shooting fouls on 14.5% of his shooting attempts (95th percentile according to cleaning the glass) while Wiggins is doing so on 10.7% of his shots and Edwards on 9.7% of his shots. Getting to the line is where Barrett distinguishes himself from these players even though his efficiency from the field sucks just like it does for these two. |
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Post by Mark Price on Mar 30, 2022 20:24:45 GMT
80- if anything this SW should be going the other direction. He's gone from 18 ppg on 44/40/75 splits last year to 20 ppg on 41/35/72 splits this year, on one of the worst teams in the league. Until he improves his efficiency, playmaking, defense, or does literally anything other than be an inefficient scorer, I'm don't think he warrants a raise. I'm not going to disagree with what you're saying about Barrett personally. As a broader conversation I do think it's unfair how much we factor in team success when trying to evaluate an individual player. Barrett isn't a point guard and has yet to ever play with one in NY. Idk if his efficiency would improve significantly with a PG, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to be with other ball handlers. Faulting him and others for being someone they've never been is something we do a lot for the stock watches for players on bad teams. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 30, 2022 20:31:43 GMT
80- if anything this SW should be going the other direction. He's gone from 18 ppg on 44/40/75 splits last year to 20 ppg on 41/35/72 splits this year, on one of the worst teams in the league. Until he improves his efficiency, playmaking, defense, or does literally anything other than be an inefficient scorer, I'm don't think he warrants a raise. As a broader conversation I do think it's unfair how much we factor in team success when trying to evaluate an individual player. 100% |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 30, 2022 20:33:50 GMT
TS% RJ 51.4 Wiggins 55.6 Ant 55.3 Barrett 5.7 FTA per game Wiggins 3.1 FTA per game Edwards 3.8 FTA per game TS% doesn't do a great job of factoring how many FT attempts per game someone is getting and how many fouls they are drawing. For instance, Barrett is drawing shooting fouls on 14.5% of his shooting attempts (95th percentile according to cleaning the glass) while Wiggins is doing so on 10.7% of his shots and Edwards on 9.7% of his shots. Getting to the line is where Barrett distinguishes himself from these players even though his efficiency from the field sucks just like it does for these two. TS% does factor in FTA, that's why guys like Harden and Embiid are so high |
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 30, 2022 21:04:28 GMT
I was boutta say. I use TS% religiously because fts are a big part of the game imo. If we use EFG Barrett is 47, Wiggins 54, Edwards 52.
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Post by Mark Price on Mar 30, 2022 21:23:15 GMT
Barrett 5.7 FTA per game Wiggins 3.1 FTA per game Edwards 3.8 FTA per game TS% doesn't do a great job of factoring how many FT attempts per game someone is getting and how many fouls they are drawing. For instance, Barrett is drawing shooting fouls on 14.5% of his shooting attempts (95th percentile according to cleaning the glass) while Wiggins is doing so on 10.7% of his shots and Edwards on 9.7% of his shots. Getting to the line is where Barrett distinguishes himself from these players even though his efficiency from the field sucks just like it does for these two. TS% does factor in FTA, that's why guys like Harden and Embiid are so high  This is how BBall Ref calculates TS%. It's not the perfect metric for calculating how often someone gets through the line. But yes, his TS% would be higher if he wasn't a mid 70s free throw shooter. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 30, 2022 22:56:26 GMT
80
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Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Mar 31, 2022 0:14:54 GMT
80.75
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 31, 2022 13:11:14 GMT
80.5
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Apr 1, 2022 2:10:15 GMT
80
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Chris Webber
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Post by Chris Webber on Apr 2, 2022 2:11:23 GMT
82
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Apr 6, 2022 21:54:22 GMT
81.5
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 26, 2022 14:43:39 GMT
bump - still open
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Post by Steve Nash on Apr 26, 2022 15:01:48 GMT
81.5
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Apr 27, 2022 12:49:24 GMT
80.5
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 29, 2022 23:50:43 GMT
82
I know there are no set "rules for how to vote" or whatever, but I don't like making these correlations / comparisons:
1) Last Year's stats = current rating
2) This year's stats = new rating
This completely discounts the possibility that the "current rating" was incorrect. OR, that the player got that rating at a time when they were playing better than their full-seasons stats will show. Or, maybe the poster of the previous thread (last year / current rating) just really sold something.
What I feel we should do, ideally, is:
This year's stats (or, possibly, since last vote if it's in the same season especially) = New rating. So basically, what do the stats & my eye test, from this year / this period of time, tell me this player should be rated. Their current (soon to be old) rating shouldn't even enter into the equation. I just like seeing it as the Ratings guy so I don't have to chase it down, tbh. Other than that it doesn't matter to me personally.
ANYWAY
I'd vote 82 on RJ. I think he does enough / needs enough, in enough areas, to get him there.
THREAD CLOSED
New Rating: 81 (81.0)
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