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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 16, 2022 13:33:00 GMT
Current Rating: 90
Suggested Rating: 92
I think Kyrie is the best small point guard in the league right now (yes, better than Steph, Ja, and Trae). I know he has only played 19 games this season, so I will include last season stats as well.
2022 season (19 games):
27.7 ppg / 5.3 apg / 4.7 rpg / 1.4 spg / 0.7 bpg / 2.3 tov
.490/.430/.901 splits
.610 TS%
I don't have stats for it, but his defense has actually been incredible this season as well. He is extremely locked in when he is on the floor.
2021 season (54 games):
26.9 ppg / 6.0 apg / 4.8 rpg / 1.4 spg / 0.7 bpg / 2.4 tov
.506/.402/.922 splits
.614 TS%
Obviously had a historic season last year, putting up 27 points on 50/40/90 splits. For reference, this is the 5th highest all-time scoring season in the 50/40/90 club (behind only Curry, Bird x2, and Durant).
Advanced Stats:
- Kyrie is 6th in the league in EPM (behind only Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, Steph, LeBron)
- +5.0 net rating
He is truly in his prime right now and I think has ascended his 90 rating. He also has a resume to back up a higher rating, with 3 finals appearances and a ring.
I know some of you will argue that we shouldn't be increasing a part-time player, but that's not really a consideration for our rating system here. When he is on the floor, he is playing like a top player in the league- and I think needs to be differentiated from guys in the 89-90 range (Trae, DeRozan, etc.).
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 16, 2022 13:35:37 GMT
90
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 16, 2022 13:37:11 GMT
89.5
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Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Mar 16, 2022 13:37:54 GMT
90
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 16, 2022 13:41:18 GMT
I need to preface with I hate everything about the general buffoonery that has befallen the last two teams he’s been on in Boston and now Brooklyn because of destructive attitude on Kyrie’s side. He comports himself like a Reddit intellectual while running in crowds of known nutcases.
However, that being said, I don’t think it’s a question he is better than DeRozan and Trae — even Dame who is in this range too — and I’m willing to split the difference on this ask.
91
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 16, 2022 14:00:34 GMT
92
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 16, 2022 16:27:12 GMT
No change
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 16, 2022 16:47:28 GMT
Before I vote, when was the last time he was stockwatched and have his stats improved?
Not sure if we're voting on the 19 game sample, which to me isn't all that different from last season (so I'd vote for no change). Or if we're voting on an improvement from his last stockwatch, in which case I'd be interested to see if he's improved since then. Hopefully that makes sense.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 16, 2022 16:58:01 GMT
Before I vote, when was the last time he was stockwatched and have his stats improved? Not sure if we're voting on the 19 game sample, which to me isn't all that different from last season (so I'd vote for no change). Or if we're voting on an improvement from his last stockwatch, in which case I'd be interested to see if he's improved since then. Hopefully that makes sense. He hasn't had a rating change since the 2017/18 season dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/10718/kyrie-irving |
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Post by Steve Nash on Mar 16, 2022 17:34:15 GMT
So I have gone into his stats a bit since the 2017/18 year.
2017/18 season (60 games):
32.3 MPG / 24.4 PPG / 5.1 AST / 3.8 REB / 1.1 STL / 03 BLK / 2.3 TO
49.1% FG / 40.8% 3P / 88.9% FT / 61.0% TS
As you have posted above:
2022 season (19 games):
36.1 MPG / 27.7 ppg / 5.3 apg / 4.7 rpg / 1.4 spg / 0.7 bpg / 2.3 tov
.490/.430/.901 splits
.610 TS%
2021 season (54 games):
34.9 MPG / 26.9 ppg / 6.0 apg / 4.8 rpg / 1.4 spg / 0.7 bpg / 2.4 tov
.506/.402/.922 splits
.614 TS%
From what I can see, his counting stats are certainly better, but I think a bit proponent of that is his increase in minutes since then. His is roughly the same in terms of his efficiency (eFG% 56.8%, 57.6%, 56.8% and TS% 61.0%, 61.4%, 61.0%) and his usage hasn't gone up either (31.0%, 30.4%, 29.9%). I looked into his shot profile a bit as well to see if he is taking more 3's or getting to the line more, and kind of a similar story (3PAr .374, .348, .362 and FTr .240, .201, .232). So I don't think you can make the argument that his increase in counting stats are due to being significantly more efficient or better with the increase in minutes he's getting. Seems like its simply an increase in minutes = more shots = more points. If someone has more information or an alternative, I'd interested in hearing your thoughts. Right now, I'm not sure there is a significant change in his performance since his last stockwatch. But I will vote for a slight increase given that not everyone can turn more minutes into equally as efficient scoring.
I'll vote for 90.5
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Mar 16, 2022 21:16:14 GMT
90
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Mar 18, 2022 3:37:03 GMT
90
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Chris Webber
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Post by Chris Webber on Mar 18, 2022 18:39:28 GMT
90
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Post by James Kay on Mar 18, 2022 19:18:41 GMT
Ian Noble, I posted about this in the Discord, but didn't get much attention - and no offense to Chris Webber, I totally understand Assistant GMs want to participate - but I don't believe that Assistant GMs should get a vote. They should be free to comment on SWs, or any thread, but giving teams extra votes to raise their own players or push down other players seems unfair for all GMs, especially those that don't have assistant GMs. I know that we pretend that each GM is voting with complete integrity, but even if that were true, implicit bias still exists. There needs to be a hardline rule that only GMs can vote in SWs.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 18, 2022 19:23:06 GMT
As a former assistant I disagree ! Being able to vote on SWs kept me active while I was waiting for a spot.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 19, 2022 1:56:44 GMT
I’d be ok with a rule that states assistant GMs can’t vote on their own players, or as a team you only get one vote for your players. Other teams players shouldn’t be off limits though. Pretty sure assistants have always been able to vote.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 19, 2022 10:13:44 GMT
Ian Noble, I posted about this in the Discord, but didn't get much attention - and no offense to Chris Webber, I totally understand Assistant GMs want to participate - but I don't believe that Assistant GMs should get a vote. They should be free to comment on SWs, or any thread, but giving teams extra votes to raise their own players or push down other players seems unfair for all GMs, especially those that don't have assistant GMs. I know that we pretend that each GM is voting with complete integrity, but even if that were true, implicit bias still exists. There needs to be a hardline rule that only GMs can vote in SWs. I don't see it as being a problem. If a day ever comes when we have a bunch of assistant GMs who exhibit that they are abusing the system then I'll clamp down on it, but I don't see any problem currently. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 24, 2022 12:53:50 GMT
Kyrie in March (5 games):
38.8 ppg, 5.8 apg, 3.8 rpg
.589 / .577 / .889 splits
.759 TS%
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 24, 2022 13:50:53 GMT
I think it's probably easier to look spectacular if you've only played 20 games this season.
90
No change.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 25, 2022 11:15:50 GMT
91.
Changed my vote. Made a mistake in my initial assessment.
Kindly tell the GM of Kyrie that he can try to check the statistics of my votes in SW to see if I am bias in anyway. The reality is, players posted in SW, other than CAVs players do not register in my mind as a "player of this team". I just see them as a player that is being asked to be assessed.
P.S. Except the guy playing in Boston who promised to bring a championship to his hometown and who suddenly doesn't care about the allure of building up his image by playing in Los Angeles.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 27, 2022 9:44:40 GMT
change my vote.
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Post by Brad Stevens on Mar 27, 2022 14:01:05 GMT
90.8
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 27, 2022 18:19:30 GMT
I think it's probably easier to look spectacular if you've only played 20 games this season. 90 No change. And what about the 54 games last year?  |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 26, 2022 14:43:24 GMT
bump - still open
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Post by Alex English on Apr 26, 2022 17:43:01 GMT
89
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Apr 27, 2022 12:50:30 GMT
No change
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 28, 2022 15:38:21 GMT
Is this thread still open? Kyrie sucks
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Post by Jared Montini on Apr 28, 2022 15:40:33 GMT
Is this thread still open? Kyrie sucks He stunk this past series for sure |
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 28, 2022 15:41:33 GMT
Is this thread still open? Kyrie sucks Personally as a member of the discord clique you know I had to hit Josh with the lowest vote |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 28, 2022 15:43:09 GMT
Is this thread still open? Kyrie sucks Personally as a member of the discord clique you know I had to hit Josh with the lowest vote Alex voted lower |
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