Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 17, 2012 0:10:36 GMT
Milwaukee Bucks trade
82 - O.J. Mayo - $7,390,019
(No Rating) - Perry Jones - $1,302,600 - $1,361,200 - $1,419,800 - $2,180,813 - $3,079,308
Bucks Outgoing Salary: $8,692,619
Bucks Incoming Salary: $8,754,120
Houston Trades
(No rating) - Bradley Beal - $3,444,400 - $3,599,400 - $3,754,400 $4,745,562 - $6,226,17
68 - Tiago Splitter - $3,944,000
68 - Nolan Smith - $1,365,720 - $1,424,520 - $2,269,260 - $3,450,156
2013 2nd rounder
Rockets Outgoing: $8,754,120
Rockets Incoming: $8,692,619
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 17, 2012 0:18:03 GMT
I accept this deal. I hate to see Mayo go but I felt I needed to continue to rebuild and gain more young assets. Mayo will flourish with the Rockets and make a great tandem in the backcourt with Holiday.
Also I know that this trade would put me over 15 players, but once this trade passes, I plan on releasing Nolan Smith. He was simply in this deal to make salaries work.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 17, 2012 4:41:13 GMT
Bucks, nice deal! Trading Jennings sucks but you probably got better with the 2 moves you made. With Beal and Knight, you get 2 very young players with great potential and long cheap contracts.
I think the deal is absolutely acceptable but i don't like it for Rockets. To me, this deal puts them as the 10th-11th team in the west with no chances for this season and less potential for the future.
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 17, 2012 13:18:00 GMT
Bucks, nice deal! Trading Jennings sucks but you probably got better with the 2 moves you made. With Beal and Knight, you get 2 very young players with great potential and long cheap contracts. I think the deal is absolutely acceptable but i don't like it for Rockets. To me, this deal puts them as the 10th-11th team in the west with no chances for this season and less potential for the future. I see where the concerns are on my part and that it jeopardizes my future making my team a middling playoff team at best (well in your eyes apparently). But this doesn't over looks the specifics of my roster and my team's overall situation. I have three first round picks in the upcoming draft and none of them include my original draft pick, so I have no reason to try to bottom out. Also again I have a multitude of assets that I have been acquiring since trading Pau Gasol and now I have the flexibility to either stay the course (let brand expire, have cap space, and loads of picks) or try to improve my team in the immediate future (use all my assets to get a good player and try win this season). This mayo trade gives me a much more balanced starting 5 and helps add scoring to my weakest position. I have build this team mostly around defence and around Marc Gasol's post game (gave me 20-8-4), Leonard and Mayo at the 2/3 give me the defence and shooting I need to complement Gasol. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 17, 2012 13:26:40 GMT
I like this deal for both sides involved. Personally I'd hang on to Bradley Beal for now, but I accept.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 17, 2012 14:33:32 GMT
Just a note, but we have this thing called the "125% rule". Nolan Smith did not need to be in the trade to make salaries work.
Beal's $3,444,400 and
Splitter's $3,944,000 equals
$7,388,400
Take that x's 125% and it equals - $9,235,500
This won't have an affect on my vote, but just want to make sure you guys know the rules, and then can avoid putting in a player you are just going to cut anyway.
On the actual trade and value exchanged...I'll accept it.
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 17, 2012 15:14:04 GMT
Just a note, but we have this thing called the "125% rule". Nolan Smith did not need to be in the trade to make salaries work. Beal's $3,444,400 and Splitter's $3,944,000 equals $7,388,400 Take that x's 125% and it equals - $9,235,500 This won't have an affect on my vote, but just want to make sure you guys know the rules, and then can avoid putting in a player you are just going to cut anyway. On the actual trade and value exchanged...I'll accept it. I added Smith since I over the 15 player limit and I wanted to get rid of smith for roster purposes. |
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Lucas Lutkus
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Post by Lucas Lutkus on Dec 17, 2012 16:16:45 GMT
wow, Bucks and Blazers are the best GMs of the offseason!
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Dec 17, 2012 20:48:33 GMT
While OJ Mayo is having probably one of the best season in his 4 year career IRL, his rental contract here is a biggy. Houston's basically giving up Beal, who's a nice young talent that's playing very well right now and Splitter, who's a nice big man that's developing well for a Mayo's rental contract. The big IF in this deal is ... IF Mayo decides to go to Free Agency, then it's basically Perry Jones for Beal and Splitter, which is a steal for the Bucks. I think in the short term this deal still benefits the Bucks moreso than Houston. I just feel this is a bad move on Houston's part for the future of his team. For that reason, I'm going to reject.
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 17, 2012 22:01:35 GMT
First of all Splitter, expires. So really it's Mayo for Beal. Secondly, Houston just explained how he has 3 first rounds picks in the coming draft and can gamble on Beal because Mayo is the better player right now and Houston is looking to win now. Not only does he accomplish a win now move, but he hasn't really mortgaged his future considering he has 3 1sts and a ton of cap space to resign mayo or go after other free agents.
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 17, 2012 22:26:37 GMT
While OJ Mayo is having probably one of the best season in his 4 year career IRL, his rental contract here is a biggy. Houston's basically giving up Beal, who's a nice young talent that's playing very well right now and Splitter, who's a nice big man that's developing well for a Mayo's rental contract. The big IF in this deal is ... IF Mayo decides to go to Free Agency, then it's basically Perry Jones for Beal and Splitter, which is a steal for the Bucks. I think in the short term this deal still benefits the Bucks moreso than Houston. I just feel this is a bad move on Houston's part for the future of his team. For that reason, I'm going to reject. I understand the concern and see where you are coming from. However, even though I highly rate Beal and I think he will be a great player, I can mortgage the future now because I have so much cap flexibility and a ton of picks. Like Glen said I probably wouldn't be able to sign Splitter this off season since I do not have his bird rights and I have a lot of players I would like to resign/sign this off season. I included Perry Jones as assurance of having some back up bigs past this season (right now probably Gasol, Arthur, and Jones would be the guys coming back for sure for my bigs). With the necessary rating boosts (for guys like Gasol, Holiday, and leonard) I feel that my team will be good enough for the 8th spot while still having a lot of flexibility in the future. |
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 18, 2012 0:21:56 GMT
Like i said before, i think the deal is not lopsided enough to be rejectable. However, I would like to add another point of discussion. What will happen with Mayo's numbers in real life once Dirk comes back?, Will they go up?, Will they go down? About Rockets losing Mayo as a FA, I think that is the most likely scenario assuming someone will overpay Mayo almost for sure.  |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 18, 2012 2:58:05 GMT
Just a note, but we have this thing called the "125% rule". Nolan Smith did not need to be in the trade to make salaries work. Beal's $3,444,400 and Splitter's $3,944,000 equals $7,388,400 Take that x's 125% and it equals - $9,235,500 This won't have an affect on my vote, but just want to make sure you guys know the rules, and then can avoid putting in a player you are just going to cut anyway. On the actual trade and value exchanged...I'll accept it. I added Smith since I over the 15 player limit and I wanted to get rid of smith for roster purposes. Fair enough, as long as it wasn't for salary purposes of this trade, just making sure you guys knew b/c that's what it sounded like. |
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 18, 2012 2:59:39 GMT
Like i said before, i think the deal is not lopsided enough to be rejectable. However, I would like to add another point of discussion. What will happen with Mayo's numbers in real life once Dirk comes back?, Will they go up?, Will they go down? About Rockets losing Mayo as a FA, I think that is the most likely scenario assuming someone will overpay Mayo almost for sure. The problem with Mayo is his unsustainable three point shooting not usage rate. If anything Mayo should get even better looks when Dirk gets back since Mayo has excelled off the ball. If mayo can continue to improve his finishing ability and maintain his slashing ability, I think he can stay at this current level of scoring. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 18, 2012 17:11:23 GMT
Mayo >>>>>> Beal's potential
Mayo has been a beast this year and if you've watched him, he looks like he has really matured and is ready to be the 1 or 2 option in an offense for some years to come. The only thing that makes this trade remotely reasonable is that Mayo is expiring at the end of the season.
Knowing NLSC, rookies are always REALLY overrated, and Beal was drafted 3rd overall, meaning he will probably be around an 80. Anyway, I'm just rambling.
Accept
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 18, 2012 17:34:57 GMT
Mayo >>>>>> Beal's potential That is a big exaggeration. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 0:02:21 GMT
It's the CMs job to make sure a trade is fair... Its not your job to say whether or not it hurts the teams future and reject on just that. Just sayin...
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 19, 2012 2:44:13 GMT
It's the CMs job to make sure a trade is fair... Its not your job to say whether or not it hurts the teams future and reject on just that. Just sayin... Actually, one of Ian's specified jobs for the CM's is keeping an eye on overall real-life value of a trade, keeping things realistic, and trying to make sure we don't end up with franchises who are really bad and that no one will ever want to own. That starts by keeping an eye on each trade and it's affect on the teams future. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 4:24:29 GMT
Ian even accepted this trade. There's no reason Houston can't try to be the best he can be right now. You guys need to allow Gms to do their job and run their teams. Of course some trades are not going to be fair and won't be accepted but this trade is fair. Believe me I'm not a Glenn Robinson fan at all...  I think most of you know why... Lol but if a trade is fair and the CMs are denying upon the future of a team I have to step in a let you guys know its not fair to Gms who are active and who let this league be what it is. I don't want to argue and I won't but to deny this trade for any other reason than not being fair is a disgrace to our league. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 19, 2012 4:33:42 GMT
Believe me I'm not a Glenn Robinson fan at all... I think most of you know why... Blah Blah Blah... Don't really care for you either. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 19, 2012 4:45:24 GMT
Ian even accepted this trade. There's no reason Houston can't try to be the best he can be right now. You guys need to allow Gms to do their job and run their teams. Of course some trades are not going to be fair and won't be accepted but this trade is fair. Believe me I'm not a Glenn Robinson fan at all... I think most of you know why... Lol but if a trade is fair and the CMs are denying upon the future of a team I have to step in a let you guys know its not fair to Gms who are active and who let this league be what it is. I don't want to argue and I won't but to deny this trade for any other reason than not being fair is a disgrace to our league. Notice, I also accepted this trade. I was just bringing up the point that the point you made is inaccurate. Now, you are certainly w/in your right to say that someone's opinion of what is harmful or not can be wrong...but we have a committee for a reason, and some dissenting opinion is generally a good thing. It still seems like you are not connecting that future value has an affect on whether a trade is fair or not. Somehow they seem unconnected to you, by the way you are talking, and that's just not true. Any affect on a team's long-term value is part of the trade, and needs to be thought through and voted on. |
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Otis Smith
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 19, 2012 4:50:42 GMT
Ian even accepted this trade. There's no reason Houston can't try to be the best he can be right now. You guys need to allow Gms to do their job and run their teams. Of course some trades are not going to be fair and won't be accepted but this trade is fair. Believe me I'm not a Glenn Robinson fan at all... I think most of you know why... Lol but if a trade is fair and the CMs are denying upon the future of a team I have to step in a let you guys know its not fair to Gms who are active and who let this league be what it is. I don't want to argue and I won't but to deny this trade for any other reason than not being fair is a disgrace to our league. TBH if this trade or any trade I got declined I wouldn't be angry at all, I understand completely why we need a TC (see what happened to Memphis and The Jazz before their current GMs took over). It's part of the territory of being in this league but I think a declined trade hurts the ego (not talking about anyone in specific just the way people are) more than it does the competitive fairness. Everyone thinks that their trade is great or will benefit in some way but someone else may see it differently. All I can do is run my team and if a trade comes that TC thinks is unfair and hurts my team, all I can do is accept that and go back work on it again. |
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 19, 2012 5:06:49 GMT
future value has an affect on whether a trade is fair or not. exactly what i was thinking, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2012 12:55:53 GMT
Ask this guy about future value:
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 23, 2012 4:47:07 GMT
3 accepts. Trade passed once Ian is back.
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 24, 2012 12:11:57 GMT
Trade passed.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 6, 2015 15:31:05 GMT
throwback! What a terrible trade.. I mean we didn’t know exactly what Beal would be or how sharply Mayo would decline, but even so a year lease for an 82 player trade for a top draft pick…? Cant believe TC let this one go. I think things have changed. Now I don’t think the TC lets a team trade a year lease of Demar Derozan for D’Angelo Russell.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 15:35:49 GMT
Ewwww, Rex Ryan! I am so glad Ian let me change my name or I may have quit.
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Post by James Kay on Jul 6, 2015 15:38:21 GMT
Mayo >>>>>> Beal's potential Mayo has been a beast this year and if you've watched him, he looks like he has really matured and is ready to be the 1 or 2 option in an offense for some years to come. The only thing that makes this trade remotely reasonable is that Mayo is expiring at the end of the season. Knowing NLSC, rookies are always REALLY overrated, and Beal was drafted 3rd overall, meaning he will probably be around an 80. Anyway, I'm just rambling. Accept  haha at least you own up to it to be fair, no one could've predicted that Mayo would give up on life and gain all those pounds. remember when he was playing MJ at basketball camp? |
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 6, 2015 15:52:47 GMT
Horrible accept. How did you guys let Beal go for Mayo...
It's funny that Beal will be an AllStar for many more years... And Mayo is a few years away from retiring!!
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I think most of you know why... Lol but if a trade is fair and the CMs are denying upon the future of a team I have to step in a let you guys know its not fair to Gms who are active and who let this league be what it is. I don't want to argue and I won't but to deny this trade for any other reason than not being fair is a disgrace to our league. 
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