MEM-WAS Pt.1

[Rubén Magnano]

79 Anderson Varejao $8,618,182 $9,286,364 $9,954,545
Total: $8,618,182
for
77 DeJuan Blair $1,054,000
72 Earl Watson $2,000,000
MEM 2013 1st
HOU 2013 1st
MEM 2015 1st
MEM 2013 2nd
DET 2013 2nd
Total: $3,054,000

Memphis' cap space before: $5,724,931, Memphis' cap space after: $160,749

Based on what the TC decided Memphis and I are starting 2 separate threads for our deal with some adjustments to make them both acceptable. The general observation was that i was giving Varejao way too cheap so Memphis added 2 2nds and Blair instead of Pargo.

[Rubén Magnano]

I would like to add that i am pretty annoyed.

[Greg Schiano]

Accepted.

[Ian Noble]

I'm guessing this trade replaces the original trade?

This is a strange trade by itself, I'm really not sure why Memphis values Anderson Varejao so highly - enough to bet their future on him. I'm inclined to reject at the moment. Varejao is 30 and his numbers are highly inflated, being the only average-level big man for the Cavs this season.

[Walt Frazier]

I dunno, there are a lot of "average" Big men who can not, no matter what situation they are in, put up 14 and 14. Plus he's improved his FT% to a very solid 75%. Also, although his minutes have gone up by only about 4.5 per game (from 31.5 to 36), he's doubled his assist total.

He's clearly improved his game in at least a couple areas, and I say again, a mere "average" big man does not put up 14 and 14 in exactly 36 mpg. I think with an improved team he may dip a little bit, but he's a legit double double, good FT% big, who can pass pretty well for a big as well. 1.5 steals a game is nothing to sneeze at either.

I'm going to choose to give Blair and Watson a very minimal value, treat them as salary fillers to make the deal work, since they both expire. Blair is a solid player but I don't see any particular reason he returns to Washington...then again, who knows, he might, and he's at least a low-caliber starting front-court player, so there is that, for this season.

The 2013 Draft won't touch 2012 in terms of depth, so those 2nd Rounders mean very little to me as well.

Comes down to the 1sts. Houston has a starting lineup of all 78's and above, plus a bench full of 70+ guys, so he's either going to be a playoff team or a very late Lotto. Memphis, after these two trades, would have a lineup full of 80+ players, maybe a 78 guy there too, plus at least a few 70+ guys for his bench. There are still some 70+ guys on FA he can probably just sign for the minimum either after these trades or during the season. He's also a playoff team, most likely...at least for this year. If something happens and he just doesn't gel, I guess he might be a very late lotto team as well.

So, the two 2013 1sts should be middling-low 20's area picks. Solid players, but far from any locks in there, and probably a few busts, plus potentially some guys who just don't get real PT for at least a year or two. Some gems too, or else the pick would have no value, but in this draft, they are not exactly all high-upside, very solid players to begin with.

The 2015 is quite awhile away, and even the best Sim Leagues run into trouble reaching a 4th/5th season (we'd be going into our 5th season if we have a 2015 draft). I hope like hell we do get there, so assuming we do, Memphis has shown an ability to acquire talent that other teams may not want for one reason or another. At worst, he's locked into a core of JR Smith/Varejao/Nene, which is not all bad, for a few years. He's unlikely to be a bottom-feeder come the 2015 draft, plus sooooo much can happen in that time, he could be a champion, even though he could be a lotto team by then with a bad trade/draft or two. It's hard to put too much value in that 2015 pick, basically. I'd probably prefer, and feel better, if this pick wasn't in there at all, just b/c it seems a little unnecessary in the overall scheme of the trade...but again, it's hard to value it very highly either at this point.

So, very long-winded, but I kind of had to do this for myself to figure out all my thoughts on all of these pieces.

The main part of this trade, for me, is Varejao for two late-lotto / high-teen / low 20's picks in this coming draft, which isn't a great draft. There are other decent pieces, but I don't see anything crippling there.

I'll accept.

[Greg Schiano]

Dec 24, 2012 12:55:56 GMT Ian Noble said:

I'm guessing this trade replaces the original trade?

This is a strange trade by itself, I'm really not sure why Memphis values Anderson Varejao so highly - enough to bet their future on him. I'm inclined to reject at the moment. Varejao is 30 and his numbers are highly inflated, being the only average-level big man for the Cavs this season.

It's not the name Anderson Varajeo we want.. It's what he adds to what we already have. We're not done moving players yet. We're gathering talent. Picks mean nothing to me. If you haven't seen that from me. In Sim Leagues, I buy value.

[Ian Noble]

Ok, I accept.

[Dominique Wilkins]

Accept