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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 23, 2012 4:53:35 GMT
Wizards send:
81 Kevin Martin $12,439,675
77 George Hill $3,069,467
Total: $15,509,142
Raptors send:
84 John Wall $5,915,880 $6,674,574 $8,676,946
75 Josh Childress $6,500,000 $7,182,500 $7,317,500
Total: $12,415,880
$12,415,880 * 1,25 = $15,519,850 > $15,509,142
Taking Childress bad contract absolutely blows and i am giving 2 players that i highly value but i had to do what i had to do to get Wall back to Washington, lol.
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Post by Jerry Colangelo on Dec 23, 2012 4:54:45 GMT
I get 2 expiring contracts and good players and hopefully I will have room in FA soon
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 23, 2012 4:56:36 GMT
I really don't see how this helps Toronto out. You get 2 expiring contracts, but that doesn't guarantee you'll get the free agents you want. There are lots of teams with cap space next offseason that will target players that you might want. You have a legit point guard on his rookie contract and his bird rights. Why would you give that up? I'll have to sleep on this one...
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 23, 2012 5:10:11 GMT
To be fair, he is also getting rid of Chilldress. With the way he is playing in real life, I doubt someone would have offered him more than 1 M per season (the type of money Troy Murphy got  ) if he was available in the FA. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 23, 2012 20:10:30 GMT
To be fair, he is also getting rid of Chilldress. With the way he is playing in real life, I doubt someone would have offered him more than 1 M per season (the type of money Troy Murphy got ) if he was available in the FA. This is true, but then you also just have certain players who are worth more than a bad contract's negative value. Right now I'm feeling like Wall's value minus Childress' "value" is still worth more than Kevin Martin and George Hill who both expire...gotta think about it. |
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 23, 2012 20:34:59 GMT
Right now I'm feeling like Wall's value minus Childress' "value" is still worth more than Kevin Martin and George Hill who both expire That's debatable. The real question is if the trade is rejectable or not? As how I see it, Wizards get 2 good players for this season so they probably won’t get worse now. They might even get better if Hill gets the boost he deserves. As for the next 2 seasons, Raptors decide not to commit $29,851,520 to Wall and Chilldress. You might like that or not so much but I think it sounds reasonable enough to accept. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 23, 2012 22:15:07 GMT
Right now I'm feeling like Wall's value minus Childress' "value" is still worth more than Kevin Martin and George Hill who both expire That's debatable. The real question is if the trade is rejectable or not? As how I see it, Wizards get 2 good players for this season so they probably won’t get worse now. They might even get better if Hill gets the boost he deserves. As for the next 2 seasons, Raptors decide not to commit $29,851,520 to Wall and Chilldress. You might like that or not so much but I think it sounds reasonable enough to accept. I happen to understand fully that the real question is if the trade is rejectable or not. Right now, Toronto gives up their best player on their best contract, just best overall value. They do get to clear out Childress, certainly not ignoring it. Raptors would be deciding not to commit about $14 mil next year to those two, and about $16 mil the year after to those two. There are players of Wall's caliber that get paid that by themselves, so it really just depends on how you look at it. Wall himself will probably get paid that, in 4 years. You're just committing to it earlier, basically, by taking on Childress. Toronto gains only cap space for it's future. It has basically only Zach Randolph left on the team to draw any FA's to the team...and I just don't think that's very smart for them. I'm still debating with myself whether it's rejectable, though I'm admittedly leaning towards "yes" on that question at the moment. |
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 23, 2012 22:28:24 GMT
There is also the question mark of how well Wall will return from his injury. He haven't played a single minute this season. I still don't see how this is rejectable. There have been much much worse trades accepted. There are ups and downs for both teams to do this trade... Maybe, Raptors should be run by a committee or something. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 24, 2012 4:49:26 GMT
No one here is proposing we run any teams by committee...we do however have a committee whose job is to look out for the long-term health of the league and each franchise the league encompasses.
I just really don't see what Toronto gains here, realistically. They gain cap space that they will try to use to sign a player, yes. The likelihood is that they won't even be able to get someone as good as Wall with their current roster, and if they do get someone as good as Wall, they probably will have to use up just about all of the cap they clear in this deal. So what's the point?
You don't need to put in someone like Wall to get rid of Childress, he's just too valuable.
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 24, 2012 13:05:36 GMT
Sorry guys, I reject.
Toronto traded away its draft picks until 2014 so he could field a sub-par team that might not make the playoffs, that puts him in a position where he should probably hang on to guys like John Wall that he can rebuild around instead of trade away Wall for a much older duo that he likely will not be able to re-sign in the off season.
Nice move by Washington, who's showing he's a top-level GM, but Toronto needs to smarten up and decide on a direction for his team.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 24, 2012 19:16:56 GMT
I'll put in my official reject as well, for all the reasons stated above.
Reject
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 24, 2012 19:17:46 GMT
Same...
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