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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 23, 2021 12:08:15 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 28, 2021 13:15:09 GMT
I'm of the opinion that I should bring back the "God-Tier Scorer" list. I would personally NOT bring back the second "Top" Tier list though. We can see that, with my program randomizing even 5 star primacy players, in just one month of season time the PPG of the League Leaders has dropped by almost 2 or 3ppg: December 2nd Leaders -> January 12th Leaders TL;DR: The God-Tier Scorer list would have their primacy randomized only between 90-99, which is where almost all of these players usually operate when you let the sim engine do it's thing by itself. god_tier_scorers = [
"Anthony Davis",
"Bradley Beal",
"Damian Lillard",
"Devin Booker",
"Giannis Antetokounmpo",
"James Harden",
"Jayson Tatum",
"Jimmy Butler",
"Joel Embiid",
"Kawhi Leonard",
"Kevin Durant",
"Kyrie Irving",
"LeBron James",
"Luka Doncic",
"Nikola Jokic",
"Paul George",
"Steph Curry",
"Trae Young"
] |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 17, 2021 19:42:22 GMT
I'm of the opinion that I should bring back the "God-Tier Scorer" list. I would personally NOT bring back the second "Top" Tier list though. We can see that, with my program randomizing even 5 star primacy players, in just one month of season time the PPG of the League Leaders has dropped by almost 2 or 3ppg: December 2nd Leaders -> January 12th Leaders TL;DR: The God-Tier Scorer list would have their primacy randomized only between 90-99, which is where almost all of these players usually operate when you let the sim engine do it's thing by itself. god_tier_scorers = [
"Anthony Davis",
"Bradley Beal",
"Damian Lillard",
"Devin Booker",
"Giannis Antetokounmpo",
"James Harden",
"Jayson Tatum",
"Jimmy Butler",
"Joel Embiid",
"Kawhi Leonard",
"Kevin Durant",
"Kyrie Irving",
"LeBron James",
"Luka Doncic",
"Nikola Jokic",
"Paul George",
"Steph Curry",
"Trae Young"
]I was just chatting with Ian and realized that we did implement this 'God Tier' scoring list, where every player on this list is automatically assigned 99 primacy, regardless of what you put them at in the sim changes. I feel like we should remove this list and just let GMs control their own primacy, for instance I am automatically getting 4/5 of my starters assigned a 99 primacy so I really have no control over my team. Now I understand why PG continues to jack up 20+ shots on 2 star primacy  |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jun 17, 2021 20:15:17 GMT
I'm of the opinion that I should bring back the "God-Tier Scorer" list. I would personally NOT bring back the second "Top" Tier list though. We can see that, with my program randomizing even 5 star primacy players, in just one month of season time the PPG of the League Leaders has dropped by almost 2 or 3ppg: December 2nd Leaders -> January 12th Leaders TL;DR: The God-Tier Scorer list would have their primacy randomized only between 90-99, which is where almost all of these players usually operate when you let the sim engine do it's thing by itself. god_tier_scorers = [
"Anthony Davis",
"Bradley Beal",
"Damian Lillard",
"Devin Booker",
"Giannis Antetokounmpo",
"James Harden",
"Jayson Tatum",
"Jimmy Butler",
"Joel Embiid",
"Kawhi Leonard",
"Kevin Durant",
"Kyrie Irving",
"LeBron James",
"Luka Doncic",
"Nikola Jokic",
"Paul George",
"Steph Curry",
"Trae Young"
]I was just chatting with Ian and realized that we did implement this 'God Tier' scoring list, where every player on this list is automatically assigned 99 primacy, regardless of what you put them at in the sim changes. I feel like we should remove this list and just let GMs control their own primacy, for instance I am automatically getting 4/5 of my starters assigned a 99 primacy so I really have no control over my team. Now I understand why PG continues to jack up 20+ shots on 2 star primacy The real problem is Paul George is rated a 94. How the hell did that happen? |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 17, 2021 22:13:59 GMT
We should not implement the proposal for this season because GMs potentially made moves and decisions anchored to that. I also think that Ian's reason for that tier is still more valid. And think about it, if PG/Kawhi/Irving/Booker are on one team IRL, do you think any one of them would want to have a "primacy" lower than 5? I mean, all of them will surely agree that everyone will have equal opportunity. Thanks. Tic toc. Tic toc. |
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Post by James Kay on Jun 17, 2021 23:03:05 GMT
I'm still of the opinion that GMs should have greater control, even if we are prevented from editing the raw number, I'd think like a 10-star system would be better IMO.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 18, 2021 19:49:44 GMT
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Post by James Kay on Jan 6, 2022 20:56:58 GMT
Ian NobleWhat are your thoughts on a Primacy editing system that allowed full control of the exact primacy number, and did away with this star system that involves a great deal of randomization and takes away control from teams that have multiple stars? In order to keep realism in check, you could just have some sort of program/script/conditional formatting that highlights or collects and displays players whose primacy ratings starkly depart from their overall ratings. We can then monitor the sheet to occasionally ensure that GMs are not setting star players to super low primacy. Some sort of guideline might help like not allowing players to have primacy ratings that are 20 lower than their overall rating. I am in full support of GM's ability to edit primacy. The situation with Bertans has been mentioned as something to avoid - but I think that is a reflection of our understanding of the ratings and Bertans' build, not the primacy system. One purpose of a simulation league is to explore how players might perform in different situations, and the primacy system is a fantastic vehicle to allow GMs to exercise control over a team that may play differently with each other than they do with their respective IRL teams. The situation with Bertans should therefore be celebrated IMO. If he played with gravitational players like Jokic and D. Mitchell, and the Grizzlies decided to give him the green light to shoot the most threes in the league, maybe he averages 28 points. If that wouldn't happen, then that's a reflection of how we rate players, not the way primacy is affecting the sim. Allowing GMs to edit the precise primacy numbers will alleviate the concerns for top teams that essentially have very little control over their teams at this point. GMs should be able to ensure that Curry, Jokic, Durant, Harden, Lebron, Kawhi, Giannis, etc have 99 primacy ratings - not merely settle for a random number between 90 and 99. GMs with multiple star players should be able to choose which star they want to "feature." The only way to currently do this is to set one player as 5-star, and another as 4-star. But this is just as likely to have their primacy ratings set to 90 and 89. (I may not fully understand how the star system works, but I believe that is pretty close to correct). The realism concerns can be corrected through 1) GM monitoring through a simple script that highlights drastic differences in primacy and OVR; and 2) a focus on stockwatch ratings that try to isolate player ability from team circumstances. I don't think that allowing GMs to edit the exact primacy rating will harm the league, but instead improve it.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 7, 2022 10:46:13 GMT
James KayI'm happy to remove the "God Tier" scorers list so that GMs regain that control. Two Points Against the System you're Proposing: - I actually think if we gave GMs the ability to manually edit the exact number for each player's primacy that the procedure would become a bit of a hassle for most GMs.
- I once experimented with making Golden State's primacy = 1, with Steph Curry's primacy = 99, and Steph Curry averaged 84ppg, so I think realism would die if we allowed exact numbers. Some teams, especially tankers, are more than happy to amuse themselves experimenting with the extremes of the system at expense of realism, and the league as a whole. I think a better solution would be: - get rid of the God Tier system - re-working the stars system and introducing the idea of there being 'zero' stars, so we have one extra level of control, and 5-stars guaranteeing 99 primacy. 5-stars = 99 primacy guaranteed 4 = ? 3 = ? 2 = ? 1 = ? 0 = ?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 7, 2022 11:48:47 GMT
James Kay I'm happy to remove the "God Tier" scorers list so that GMs regain that control. Two Points Against the System you're Proposing: - I actually think if we gave GMs the ability to manually edit the exact number for each player's primacy that the procedure would become a bit of a hassle for most GMs.
- I once experimented with making Golden State's primacy = 1, with Steph Curry's primacy = 99, and Steph Curry averaged 84ppg, so I think realism would die if we allowed exact numbers. Some teams, especially tankers, are more than happy to amuse themselves experimenting with the extremes of the system at expense of realism, and the league as a whole. I think a better solution would be: - get rid of the God Tier system - re-working the stars system and introducing the idea of there being 'zero' stars, so we have one extra level of control, and 5-stars guaranteeing 99 primacy. 5-stars = 99 primacy guaranteed 4 = ? 3 = ? 2 = ? 1 = ? 0 = ? I second your motion Ian. |
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Post by James Kay on Jan 7, 2022 16:04:10 GMT
James KayI'm happy to remove the "God Tier" scorers list so that GMs regain that control. Two Points Against the System you're Proposing: - I actually think if we gave GMs the ability to manually edit the exact number for each player's primacy that the procedure would become a bit of a hassle for most GMs.
- I once experimented with making Golden State's primacy = 1, with Steph Curry's primacy = 99, and Steph Curry averaged 84ppg, so I think realism would die if we allowed exact numbers. Some teams, especially tankers, are more than happy to amuse themselves experimenting with the extremes of the system at expense of realism, and the league as a whole. I think a better solution would be: - get rid of the God Tier system - re-working the stars system and introducing the idea of there being 'zero' stars, so we have one extra level of control, and 5-stars guaranteeing 99 primacy. 5-stars = 99 primacy guaranteed 4 = ? 3 = ? 2 = ? 1 = ? 0 = ? I think your solution is a step in the right direction, but I think it still doesn't address the inability of teams with multiple stars to fine-tune their primacy ratings, and still has this significant degree of randomness that seems undesirable. To address your concerns: 1) Perhaps maintain the 5 star rating system as the first 5 options, with a drop-down menu to select 99-10 or something like that to make it so GMs who do not wish to manually select the particular primacy are still able to easily adjust their lineups with the star system. 2) As I mentioned, I thought that a small script that said something like "If primacy rating minus overall rating > 20, highlight red," or "bring to sheet 2" would solve this, as unusual primacy ratings would be easily highlighted. GMs are constantly pointing out when other GMs are playing their players out of position or playing injured players, and I think this would be no differently solved. I'm also considering that this might be a lot of work for you, which is a priority to avoid, but I don't believe these changes would be much different for you, unless you think they would be in which case please just say that lol. |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 5, 2022 17:40:07 GMT
Was just chatting with Josh on Primacy.
The list of guaranteed 99 primacy players has not changed:
god_tier_scorers = [
"Anthony Davis",
"Bradley Beal",
"Damian Lillard",
"Devin Booker",
"Giannis Antetokounmpo",
"James Harden",
"Jayson Tatum",
"Jimmy Butler",
"Joel Embiid",
"Kawhi Leonard",
"Kevin Durant",
"Kyrie Irving",
"LeBron James",
"Luka Doncic",
"Nikola Jokic",
"Paul George",
"Steph Curry",
"Trae Young"
]
This list needs updating. Davis, Harden, Butler could possibly drop off imho. Morant could be added?
But I'm thinking of ditching it. I would like to get rid of the list above entirely in favour of a different system where a zero-stars player effectively replaces what we currently have for 1 star, 1star replaces 2star, and so on, until 5 stars = guaranteed 99 primacy every time.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 5, 2022 19:46:13 GMT
As someone who has 3 players stuck at 5 star primacy, I support doing away with this list
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 17, 2022 19:12:48 GMT
Was just chatting with Josh on Primacy. The list of guaranteed 99 primacy players has not changed: god_tier_scorers = [ "Anthony Davis", "Bradley Beal", "Damian Lillard", "Devin Booker", "Giannis Antetokounmpo", "James Harden", "Jayson Tatum", "Jimmy Butler", "Joel Embiid", "Kawhi Leonard", "Kevin Durant", "Kyrie Irving", "LeBron James", "Luka Doncic", "Nikola Jokic", "Paul George", "Steph Curry", "Trae Young" ] This list needs updating. Davis, Harden, Butler could possibly drop off imho. Morant could be added? But I'm thinking of ditching it. I would like to get rid of the list above entirely in favour of a different system where a zero-stars player effectively replaces what we currently have for 1 star, 1star replaces 2star, and so on, until 5 stars = guaranteed 99 primacy every time. Can we do away with this list officially? |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 17, 2022 21:34:38 GMT
Was just chatting with Josh on Primacy. The list of guaranteed 99 primacy players has not changed: god_tier_scorers = [ "Anthony Davis", "Bradley Beal", "Damian Lillard", "Devin Booker", "Giannis Antetokounmpo", "James Harden", "Jayson Tatum", "Jimmy Butler", "Joel Embiid", "Kawhi Leonard", "Kevin Durant", "Kyrie Irving", "LeBron James", "Luka Doncic", "Nikola Jokic", "Paul George", "Steph Curry", "Trae Young" ] This list needs updating. Davis, Harden, Butler could possibly drop off imho. Morant could be added? But I'm thinking of ditching it. I would like to get rid of the list above entirely in favour of a different system where a zero-stars player effectively replaces what we currently have for 1 star, 1star replaces 2star, and so on, until 5 stars = guaranteed 99 primacy every time. Can we do away with this list officially? Yeah just give me time to get around to it  I'm struggling to get the Standings to do what I want recently, let alone primacies  |
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Boston Celtics
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Detroit Pistons
Cleveland Cavaliers
Charlotte Hornets
I'm struggling to get the Standings to do what I want recently, let alone primacies 