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Post by Alex English on Dec 4, 2020 3:35:07 GMT
 Brooklyn Nets - Kawhi LeonardKawhi Leonard has agreed to join the Brooklyn Nets signing a 4 year contract worth $145,701,900. The final year is a player option. Year 1: $32,742,000 Year 2: $35,197,650 Year 3: $37,653,300 Year 4: $40,108,950 (PO) This was a very close decision and the six member group that discussed this signing considered the strengths and weaknesses of all the offers. I think we relatively quickly agreed it would come down to two teams, the Nets and the Bulls. Both teams have a lot to offer, but considering Kawhi's perceived values, the chance of winning and overall talent of the team was considered to be the most important factor. In the NBA Kawhi obviously wanted to go home to LA, but he demanded the Clippers improve before he was willing to sign there and flat out told them "if you don’t change your team, I’m not coming". In addition to this, considering he wanted to leave two teams he previously won championships with, loyalty appears to be a complete non-factor for him. One of those decisions meant turning down more money from Toronto too. Bringing this back to D5, it was agreed by pretty much everyone that Brooklyn gave Kawhi the best chance at success. Within the next year or two things are pretty even, just a slight edge to the Nets, but the real advantage comes looking a number of years ahead. The Nets core is younger and many of them are likely still improving. Meanwhile for the Bulls, Draymond appears to already be in decline and the rest of the core is older apart from Herro, who is still unproven. The struggles of the Bulls comes into play too. So much of this has been multiple years of bad luck outside of anyone's control, but in a decision like this, a franchise caliber player coming off a 42 win season where they nearly missed the playoffs can't be ignored. To the Bulls credit though, I believe the trade for Vucevic prevented this from becoming a big discussion point, without it this likely would have been a fairly easy choice. In the end though the Nets won out as Chicago's advantages (most money and loyalty/dedication) were undercut by Kawhi appearing to give less value to those factors. Thank you to the other teams that made offers for Kawhi, the Lakers, Hawks and Heat. Thank you especially to the Bulls for their commitment to Kawhi and the effort made to retain him, this was not an easy decision. |
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Post by Tim Duncan on Dec 4, 2020 3:38:09 GMT
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 4, 2020 3:49:41 GMT
Wow I’m honestly almost too excited to even type anything. I thought coming into the offseason I’d have as good of a shot as anyone to poach Kawhi, but didn’t really get my hopes up that it would actually happen. I’m so excited for my team this year and just hope we can stay healthy. Welcome to Brooklyn, Kawhi!
Good luck to Shane and the Bulls as well, this is obviously a devastating break but you’ve always been an incredible GM and I’m sure you’ll bounce back!
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Post by Shane Battier on Dec 4, 2020 3:49:55 GMT
An honest question here, how can Brooklyn sign Kawhi to that contract when Kristaps and Booker announced their signing on the start of offseason free agency? The way I understand it, cap holds are in place for the BRs but once a contract has agreed upon, the new contract should be factored-in to this year's salary right away. With the 2 stars of BKN returning, I don't think the Nets have the cap space to sign Kawhi.
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Tim Duncan
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Post by Tim Duncan on Dec 4, 2020 3:56:00 GMT
An honest question here, how can Brooklyn sign Kawhi to that contract when Kristaps and Booker announced their signing on the start of offseason free agency? The way I understand it, cap holds are in place for the BRs but once a contract has agreed upon, the new contract should be factored-in to this year's salary right away. With the 2 stars of BKN returning, I don't think the Nets have the cap space to sign Kawhi. As far as I know,with players who have BRs the cap hold stays on the books untill the end of OSFA unless it is more than the contract amount so that the team can use maximum cap space.Hence even though Booker and KP have announced that they are re-signing,their contract will basically be signed at the end of OSFA so that Brooklyn can have maximum possible cap space through the entire FA period |
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Post by George Gervin on Dec 4, 2020 3:59:35 GMT
Well the prices for TJ Warren and Danilo Gallinari just went up after this for all the teams striking out
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Post by Alex English on Dec 4, 2020 4:06:47 GMT
Shane Battier I think Tim Duncan pretty much covered it, but signings are essentially prioritized in whatever way gives the team the most flexibility. NBA teams regularly do this (I think this is how GSW was able to sign Durant), so there's no reason to think D5 teams wouldn't also do this. The rosters page reflects this as Ian has added all of the future years of the Booker/Porzingis contracts, but the lower cap holds are still listed for the offseason.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Dec 4, 2020 4:09:23 GMT
😳👀😳👀
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Post by Shane Battier on Dec 4, 2020 4:14:22 GMT
yeah, I understand how it's usually done. It just wasnt't the way I acquired Kawhi 4 years ago. I knew CP3 and Jimmy were coming back, but no formal announcement were made before Kawhi officially signed.
Anyway, congrats, Josh! I don't agree with the decision but it is what it is. We'll see you in the playoffs.
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Chris Mullin
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Post by Chris Mullin on Dec 4, 2020 6:39:32 GMT
Holy Super Team Brooklyn
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Dec 5, 2020 3:49:34 GMT
not every player wants to be on a super team.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Dec 5, 2020 4:07:33 GMT
not every player wants to be on a super team. But Leonard made it very clear he wanted to join stars in real life. |
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Post by Shane Battier on Dec 5, 2020 4:11:22 GMT
not every player wants to be on a super team. But Leonard made it very clear he wanted to join stars in real life. But he turned down the chance to play with LeBron and AD |
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Post by George Gervin on Dec 5, 2020 12:51:58 GMT
not every player wants to be on a super team. Your team is a superstar guard who has driven each of his superstar sidekicks in Houston (Howard, CP3, and Russ) out of town, a “star” PG who has been injury prone, a third year SG who is now a bench guy for his team after their offseason, and that’s it. Kawhi made multiple statements about the Clippers where he felt they weren’t good enough with a far better supporting cast than your roster... |
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Post by George Gervin on Dec 5, 2020 12:54:59 GMT
But Leonard made it very clear he wanted to join stars in real life. But he turned down the chance to play with LeBron and AD Kawhi tried to add another superstar to their roster before landing on PG, including calling KD to try to convince him to bail on signing with Brooklyn to join him |
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Post by Larry Bird on Dec 7, 2020 13:52:37 GMT
Maybe Kawhi didn’t join LeBron and AD because he wanted to play with stars, but he knew he’d be overshadowed by LeBron. Therefore, he chose a different route and tried to recruit a star to come with him.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 8, 2020 4:08:54 GMT
Glad to see this signing not leading to a massive fallout and crying.
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 8, 2020 9:36:54 GMT
Glad to see this signing not leading to a massive fallout and crying. Credit to Shane Battier! He wasn't EOTY for nothing  |
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Post by Jerry West on Dec 9, 2020 12:41:07 GMT
Well, time for most of us to hibernate for the next 4 years. Another super team is born. I really hope this doesn't begin to hurt D5's health. I may be reactionary a little bit here, but I fear GM's lose interest b/c they feel they have no real chance for YEARS of their real life in this league.
Congrats to Josh.
Never thought Kawhi would pull a LeBron and join some other star's team, but here we are.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Dec 9, 2020 13:51:58 GMT
Well, time for most of us to hibernate for the next 4 years. Another super team is born. I really hope this doesn't begin to hurt D5's health. I may be reactionary a little bit here, but I fear GM's lose interest b/c they feel they have no real chance for YEARS of their real life in this league. Congrats to Josh. Never thought Kawhi would pull a LeBron and join some other star's team, but here we are. Are you trying to jinx me the same way Walt jinxed the Bulls?  Lucky for us we have Chief Voodoo Witch Doctor Irving on our team, so your hex won't work against our wards  |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 9, 2020 14:25:14 GMT
Well, time for most of us to hibernate for the next 4 years. Another super team is born. I really hope this doesn't begin to hurt D5's health. I may be reactionary a little bit here, but I fear GM's lose interest b/c they feel they have no real chance for YEARS of their real life in this league. I actually disagree with this quite a bit. Most GM's in this league (from my interactions at least) seem to be obsessed with rebuilding, draft picks and prospects. I'll be up front with this, I got some real low-ball offers for some of my stars on nice deals, when I thought about rebuilding. It's just not feasible because everyone wants the stars without giving something up to get them. If GM's are sick of waiting around to win, then make legit offers to get the players you need to win. |
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Post by Jerry West on Dec 9, 2020 14:28:46 GMT
Well, time for most of us to hibernate for the next 4 years. Another super team is born. I really hope this doesn't begin to hurt D5's health. I may be reactionary a little bit here, but I fear GM's lose interest b/c they feel they have no real chance for YEARS of their real life in this league. I actually disagree with this quite a bit. Most GM's in this league (from my interactions at least) seem to be obsessed with rebuilding, draft picks and prospects. I'll be up front with this, I got some real low-ball offers for some of my stars on nice deals, when I thought about rebuilding. It's just not feasible because everyone wants the stars without giving something up to get them. If GM's are sick of waiting around to win, then make legit offers to get the players you need to win. Glenn you are 100% right on your point. But what I said was just a joke. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Dec 9, 2020 14:31:22 GMT
I actually disagree with this quite a bit. Most GM's in this league (from my interactions at least) seem to be obsessed with rebuilding, draft picks and prospects. I'll be up front with this, I got some real low-ball offers for some of my stars on nice deals, when I thought about rebuilding. It's just not feasible because everyone wants the stars without giving something up to get them. If GM's are sick of waiting around to win, then make legit offers to get the players you need to win. Glenn you are 100% right on your point. But what I said was just a joke. No worries. I think it's just important to remember that because there have been issues in the past of outcries of players leaving in FA, etc. All good. |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 9, 2020 14:44:12 GMT
Well, time for most of us to hibernate for the next 4 years. Another super team is born. I really hope this doesn't begin to hurt D5's health. I may be reactionary a little bit here, but I fear GM's lose interest b/c they feel they have no real chance for YEARS of their real life in this league. I actually disagree with this quite a bit. Most GM's in this league (from my interactions at least) seem to be obsessed with rebuilding, draft picks and prospects. I'll be up front with this, I got some real low-ball offers for some of my stars on nice deals, when I thought about rebuilding. It's just not feasible because everyone wants the stars without giving something up to get them. If GM's are sick of waiting around to win, then make legit offers to get the players you need to win. To be fair, I offered KD in a package for AD pre-injury. |
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Dec 9, 2020 14:49:42 GMT
I don't know the history how BKN got Porzingis and Booker, but this does show that the way to get a super team is to have 2-3 stars in rookie contracts, and to be able to time the cap space for correct off-season.
Easiest to get to that position is just to draft right. Or otherwise fleece someone else in a trade to get young stars maybe just before they make a big leap.
Yeah, I don't actually think Kawhi has anything against being in a superteam as long as he can be the Alpha dog.. In BKN that is the case, with LeBron not so much.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 9, 2020 18:04:51 GMT
Shane Battier is a good GM as well unlike the person who had Kawhi last time so losing him isn't as big of a blow, he doesn't need charity.
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Post by Shane Battier on Jun 30, 2021 22:38:19 GMT
yeah, I understand how it's usually done. It just wasnt't the way I acquired Kawhi 4 years ago. I knew CP3 and Jimmy were coming back, but no formal announcement were made before Kawhi officially signed. Anyway, congrats, Josh! I don't agree with the decision but it is what it is. We'll see you in the playoffs. We'll see you in the 1st round, Josh! |
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