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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 10:06:12 GMT
Sacramento Kings Trade:(80) JJ Reddick $9,258,000/$9,952,350/$10,698,776
(82) Julius Randle $16,681,690/$17,932,816/$19,183,942/$20,435,806
Total Salary $25,939,690*125 $32,424,612Sacramento Kings Receive:
(84) Eric Bledsoe $27,461,630/$27,461,630
(75) Jakob Poeltl $3,023,202/$4,096,439 2024 Houston 2nd RDTotal Salary $30,484,832
Philadelphia 76ers Trade:
(84) Eric Bledsoe $27,461,630/$27,461,630
(75) Jakob Poeltl $3,023,202/$4,096,439
Total Salary $30,484,832
Philadelphia 76ers Recieve:
(83) Steven Adams $27,377,294/$29,287,338/$31,197,381
Total Salary $30,484,832
Houston Rockets Trade:
(83) Steven Adams $27,377,294/$29,287,338/$31,197,381
2024 Houston 2nd RD Total Salary $27,377,294
Houston Rockets Recieve:
(82) Julius Randle $16,681,690/$17,932,816/$19,183,942/$20,435,806
(80) JJ Reddick $9,258,000/$9,952,350/$10,698,776
Total Salary $25,939,690
Kings Accept Tom Izzo Allen Iverson
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Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 10:44:07 GMT
After trading away CP3 to the Lakers we needed a new PG to lead the team so in steps Bledsoe. He's a great on the ball defender that will pair well with Dipo in the back court. And hopefully this real life trade to the hornets will reenergize Bledsoe's scoring numbers.
We also get a decent young big in Poeltl that will back up Drummond.
JJ has been good through out his great career but he's 36 now and I'm not sure how he will age with his contract, maybe great bc he's a shooter but only time will tell.
Julius Randle is a 25 year old stat stuffer for sure! But is he actually good at defense or outside shooting? I think No, he can still get better but he might always be the guy that hops from team to team to just fill a roster spot of a tanking team. So I just don't feel that kind of play warrants the contract he's on.
I'm aware Bledsoe doesn't come with bird rights but we will have cap space to resign him if we wish or let him go and have even more cap space, will see.
So that leaves me thin at SF, is that where I'm going with pick 14? Or should I trade pick 14 for a SG??
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Post by Tim Duncan on Nov 20, 2020 10:53:04 GMT
And hopefully this real life trade to the hornets will reenergize Bledsoe's scoring numbers. When did this happen or did you mean the Pelicans? |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 11:23:09 GMT
And hopefully this real life trade to the hornets will reenergize Bledsoe's scoring numbers. When did this happen or did you mean the Pelicans? I meant the pelicans, my bad |
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Post by Danny Longley on Nov 20, 2020 13:36:03 GMT
Could we get some updated cap numbers Amare Stoudemire? I know you shed a shit-ton of cap the last few trades, but I'm still not quite sure if you lost enough to be able to legally add to your number. |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 13:47:54 GMT
Could we get some updated cap numbers Amare Stoudemire? I know you shed a shit-ton of cap the last few trades, but I'm still not quite sure if you lost enough to be able to legally add to your number. I was at $176 Mil, I've shed $23 mil putting me at about $153 and change This trade adds about 3,500,000 but works in the 125 rule and I'm under the HC so its good |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Nov 20, 2020 18:37:08 GMT
I accept.
Adams is the better player, but I turn his one max contract into two smaller, more trade able assets. Randle slides into my starting lineup at PF, moving Giannis to C, and Redick is a winning veteran that is one of the leagues best shooters, and he slides into my starting SF role.
In real life, Randle is only 25 and was the number one option on the Knicks last year. He's proven he has the talent and work ethic, and I think in the right system as the third or even fourth option, he can flourish.
And last positive is I save about $1.4M. It's not much, but it's money I can use toward Kemba if he opts out.
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Post by Alex English on Nov 20, 2020 19:08:28 GMT
Accept
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Nov 20, 2020 19:11:35 GMT
Accept
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Post by Walt Frazier on Nov 20, 2020 19:15:25 GMT
Accept
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Nov 20, 2020 20:41:34 GMT
"Only teams who are have not qualified for the playoffs may trade after this date."
Kings cannot use 2020 salaries because they are a playoff team.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Nov 20, 2020 20:47:47 GMT
"Only teams who are have not qualified for the playoffs may trade after this date." Kings cannot use 2020 salaries because they are a playoff team. I think Shaq actually has a point here. (In-Game Date) April 1st: Only teams who are have not qualified for the playoffs may trade after this date. (In-Game Date) April 19th: Trade Deadline for all players with expiring contracts. No expiring players can be traded after April 19th (includes Player Options, excludes Team Options). Start of Off Season Re-Signing and Free Agency: Expiring players enter Free Agency or are re-signed. All trading resumes. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/post/14/thread |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 20:51:46 GMT
"Only teams who are have not qualified for the playoffs may trade after this date." Kings cannot use 2020 salaries because they are a playoff team. I think Shaq actually has a point here. (In-Game Date) April 1st: Only teams who are have not qualified for the playoffs may trade after this date. (In-Game Date) April 19th: Trade Deadline for all players with expiring contracts. No expiring players can be traded after April 19th (includes Player Options, excludes Team Options). Start of Off Season Re-Signing and Free Agency: Expiring players enter Free Agency or are re-signed. All trading resumes. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/post/14/threadI'm doing the math to help Ian, I'll post it in a bit |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Nov 20, 2020 21:12:53 GMT
I'm doing the math to help Ian, I'll post it in a bit Well the bigger issue is that this would probably invalidate a whole string of trades lol |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:14:59 GMT
I'm doing the math to help Ian, I'll post it in a bit Well the bigger issue is that this would probably invalidate a whole string of trades lol Just the one from this thread I think |
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Post by Alex English on Nov 20, 2020 21:20:49 GMT
I'm pretty sure there are like a hundred examples in D5 history of playoff teams trading after the playoffs with that year's salaries. I traded away LaMarcus Aldridge during one of my playoff runs, it was just queued and processed after the playoffs. This has never been a problem before, and I don't know why we'd make it one now.
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:22:47 GMT
I'm pretty sure there are like a hundred examples in D5 history of playoff teams trading after the playoffs with that year's salaries. I traded away LaMarcus Aldridge during one of my playoff runs, it was just queued and processed after the playoffs. This has never been a problem before, and I don't know why we'd make it one now. Because of the Kings hard cap situation |
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Post by Alex English on Nov 20, 2020 21:32:54 GMT
I'm pretty sure there are like a hundred examples in D5 history of playoff teams trading after the playoffs with that year's salaries. I traded away LaMarcus Aldridge during one of my playoff runs, it was just queued and processed after the playoffs. This has never been a problem before, and I don't know why we'd make it one now. Because of the Kings hard cap situation Why is that relevant? |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:35:52 GMT
Because of the Kings hard cap situation Why is that relevant? Check my post on the Kings - Magic trade, this trade puts the Kings over the hard cap. |
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Post by Alex English on Nov 20, 2020 21:41:25 GMT
Check my post on the Kings - Magic trade, this trade puts the Kings over the hard cap. The Kings were already over the hard cap and trading while over the hard cap is allowed so long as that team reduces their salaries. If there is an example of the Kings making a trade that increases their salaries while over the hard cap, then that's not allowed. I don't see how that has anything to do with which year's salaries are used to process a trade. |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:44:29 GMT
The Kings were already over the hard cap and trading while over the hard cap is allowed so long as that team reduces their salaries. If there is an example of the Kings making a trade that increases their salaries while over the hard cap, then that's not allowed. I don't see how that has anything to do with which year's salaries are used to process a trade. Literally this one. Let me try to explain this Alex. With 2020 salaries, Kings would decrease their salary enough in the previous 2 trades, to fit this one as well under the hard cap. Under the 2021 salaries, this trades takes him back over the hard cap, which is illegal |
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Post by Alex English on Nov 20, 2020 21:49:45 GMT
Literally this one. Let me try to explain this Alex. With 2020 salaries, Kings would decrease their salary enough in the previous 2 trades, to fit this one as well under the hard cap. Under the 2021 salaries, this trades takes him back over the hard cap, which is illegal Ok, so this goes back to the fact that we've allowed current year salaries to be used by playoff teams trading after the deadline for years. |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 21:51:02 GMT
Literally this one. Let me try to explain this Alex. With 2020 salaries, Kings would decrease their salary enough in the previous 2 trades, to fit this one as well under the hard cap. Under the 2021 salaries, this trades takes him back over the hard cap, which is illegal But this is a moot point BC are Commish already ruled on the 1st two, so it makes this legal as well. If he rules this one is illegal I'll walk it back but the 1st two are ruled on and decided by the Commish, case closed |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:51:37 GMT
But this is a moot point BC are Commish already ruled on the 1st two, so it makes this legal as well. If he rules this one is illegal I'll walk it back but the 1st two are ruled on and decided by the Commish, case closed Nobody is questioning the first 2 Amare, does are legal either way. It's just this one |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 21:54:19 GMT
But this is a moot point BC are Commish already ruled on the 1st two, so it makes this legal as well. If he rules this one is illegal I'll walk it back but the 1st two are ruled on and decided by the Commish, case closed Nobody is questioning the first 2 Amare, does are legal either way. It's just this one But by the first 2 in order I have plenty of cap for this trade. I really hope your not on some witch hunt bc I wouldn't take that offer this morning man |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:55:29 GMT
Nobody is questioning the first 2 Amare, does are legal either way. It's just this one But by the first 2 in order I have plenty of cap for this trade. I really hope your not on some witch hunt bc I wouldn't take that offer this morning man What does that have to do with anything? I wrote the math down for everyone to read, if you take 1 minute to read it you'll understand that you are over the hard cap. |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 21:58:43 GMT
But by the first 2 in order I have plenty of cap for this trade. I really hope your not on some witch hunt bc I wouldn't take that offer this morning man What does that have to do with anything? I wrote the math down for everyone to read, if you take 1 minute to read it you'll understand that you are over the hard cap. Yes by your logic of next year's salary but it was already ruled to be ok with last year's salary which makes it OK |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:59:51 GMT
What does that have to do with anything? I wrote the math down for everyone to read, if you take 1 minute to read it you'll understand that you are over the hard cap. Yes by your logic of next year's salary but it was already ruled to be ok with last year's salary which makes it OK 19/20 season is over. Teams weren't trading in the NBA draft with last year's salary weren't they? It's pointless to argue, just let Ian decide |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 22:07:57 GMT
Yes by your logic of next year's salary but it was already ruled to be ok with last year's salary which makes it OK 19/20 season is over. Teams weren't trading in the NBA draft with last year's salary weren't they? It's pointless to argue, just let Ian decide I'm not speaking on this no more! Ian already decided on the 1st two for the millionth time!! And yes your correct if I have to use next year's salary this three team trade doesn't work and I'm good with that. |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 21, 2020 9:44:12 GMT
Ian Noble can we get a ruling on this please bc philly has any accepted and if it's not legal I'm ready to go in a different direction Thank you sir
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