Jeremy Lin

[Walt Frazier]

Hello everyone! After a long and arduous decision-making process, Jeremy Lin has decided to take his talents to Portland to play with the Trailblazers.

Jeremy is very excited to join the core already set up in Portland which includes LaMarcus Aldridge and Rudy Gay, in addition to some great role-players with bright futures in Nikola Pekovic and Wesley Matthews.

Final offer sheet signed:

Year 1: $7,000,000
Year 2: $7,496,912
Year 3: $7,991,270 (PO)
Year 4: $8,300,917
Year 5: $8,792,001 (TO)

Total: 4 Years, $30,789,099 with a 5th Year Team Option worth $8,792,001.

Team salary before:$44,264,847
Team salary after: $51,264,847

[Alex English]

The first interesting signing of the off-season as Lin leaves Phoenix.

[JP Inawat]

More interesting is that I should have had the right of first refusal and I didn't get to exercise it. Especially since IRL, he was a restricted free agent when his contract expired.

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And if he was a RFA and you still want him Phoenix.... I would post here to match or more if you want him. I personally think he's an athletic kid with skills but eventually will end up overseas.

[Walt Frazier]

As far as I know, those are not the rules set up here in D5. IRL, Bird Rights transfer with trades (and this year, for these specific cases, on waiver pick-ups). In D5, that is not the case.

[JP Inawat]

Nov 24, 2012 12:32:23 GMT @griz2385 said:

And if he was a RFA and you still want him Phoenix.... I would post here to match or more if you want him. I personally think he's an athletic kid with skills but eventually will end up overseas.

I know that that's not the way it works in the D5 rules, but really RFAs and the player re-signing period should exist. That helps teams re-sign without too many complications and make teams budget better because if a player passes re-signing without being re-signed then their bird rights are gone.

Nov 24, 2012 13:52:35 GMT Walt Frazier said:

As far as I know, those are not the rules set up here in D5. IRL, Bird Rights transfer with trades (and this year, for these specific cases, on waiver pick-ups). In D5, that is not the case.

That's not the case here. Bird rights aren't the case. I have lots of cap space available and if you told me that there was a bigger offer, especially since I'm the team he's leaving, I should have been told so I can compete with the offer or say goodbye. My dealings with Camby and Jamison were like that. This makes me feels exactly like Cleveland with LeBron.

[Deleted]

I think you should be mad at Ian honestly. He didn't tell us, in contrast to the real NBA, we would not get the chance to resign our players first.

[JP Inawat]

Nov 24, 2012 18:28:17 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I think you should be mad at Ian honestly. He didn't tell us, in contrast to the real NBA, we would not get the chance to resign our players first.

Actually, I assumed that we won't. I just thought that agents would be somewhat biased towards who currently holds the player, and would try to better communicate what's going on especially since they're still listed in the salary database under our players.

Plus, how can I get mad at Ian through an indirect link like that. He's been doing so well running the league, and a real classy guy all around. lol

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Nov 24, 2012 18:33:04 GMT JP Inawat said:

Nov 24, 2012 18:28:17 GMT Vlade Divac said:

I think you should be mad at Ian honestly. He didn't tell us, in contrast to the real NBA, we would not get the chance to resign our players first.

Actually, I assumed that we won't. I just thought that agents would be somewhat biased towards who currently holds the player, and would try to better communicate what's going on especially since they're still listed in the salary database under our players.

Plus, how can I get mad at Ian through an indirect link like that. He's been doing so well running the league, and a real classy guy all around. lol

Well I would have NEVER made that deal with the infamous Evans/Thomas/Maxiell for Hill/Barnes/Barea/Williams deal with the T-wolves had I known teams did not get a chance to resign their players before other people could bid. I know he is trying to increase the importance of FA, but that should of been explained. Basically, if Jordan Hill were Jeremy Lin I would of lost him in the same way you did.

[Walt Frazier]

Phoenix, as I have explained, I did not ask you for more money because it would not have made a difference. There is a sort of limit I was looking to get with Jeremy, and he ended up around there. If you would have put in an extra 500k a year or so than what Portland did, it would not have made a difference.

Jeremy did not choose to sign with Portland because he offered more money than you. There were many, many factors. The fact you traded for him and wanted him a lot was a factor, but again, that is one of many things we considered.

- Jeremy felt more comfortable playing in the NorthWest than in Arizona, for example.
- Jeremy did like Portland's team better than your team, as far as the pieces on the team.
- Jeremy felt Portland's manager has made some pretty good moves with an eye to being competitive.
- The money in both places was basically equal.

There are more that I looked at throughout the process. It just made the most sense to go to Portland.

[JP Inawat]

Nov 24, 2012 19:59:31 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Phoenix, as I have explained, I did not ask you for more money because it would not have made a difference. There is a sort of limit I was looking to get with Jeremy, and he ended up around there. If you would have put in an extra 500k a year or so than what Portland did, it would not have made a difference.

Jeremy did not choose to sign with Portland because he offered more money than you. There were many, many factors. The fact you traded for him and wanted him a lot was a factor, but again, that is one of many things we considered.

- Jeremy felt more comfortable playing in the NorthWest than in Arizona, for example.
- Jeremy did like Portland's team better than your team, as far as the pieces on the team.
- Jeremy felt Portland's manager has made some pretty good moves with an eye to being competitive.
- The money in both places was basically equal.

There are more that I looked at throughout the process. It just made the most sense to go to Portland.

I get it, but I could have at least been told that this was going to happen instead of being surprised like everyone else so I could have adjusted my plans accordingly, earlier.

Anyways, I'd like to put this behind me. My point now is not about Lin, but about the re-signing period. To that, I would digress everything except what you said about him making better moves than I did.

Last year, my best player was Steve Nash, 38 years old. Now, my best player is Josh Smith, 26 years old. Last year, I had 3 bloated contracts. (Childress, Frye, Warrick). I turned it to gobs of cap space, which I would have used to turn this franchise around. Even if I was secretive to some aspects, that seemed quite obvious. We were in a position to rebuild without being forced to tank and he and Smith were to be the center of the rebuilding process, plus I had gobs of cap space to build a contender already. (Maybe I could have put this in my pitch, but whatever.)

Not to diss on Portland, he certainly doesn't deserve to be thrown under the bus like this, but he traded Jamal Crawford, JJ Hickson, Nicolas Batum, Jonny Flynn, Kurt Thomas, Elliot Williams, Shawne Williams and Nolan Smith, and a pick who turned out to be Andre Drummond for Rudy Gay, Nikola Pekovic, Nazr Mohammed, Patrick Mills and a probable non-lottery pick. I wouldn't be the best judge, but to me it seems like he's got worse, except for the overpaid Gay, and he gave way too much up him. Plus, he admitted that his team was on a "major" downfall.

But again, I'd like to put this behind me.

[Clyde Drexler]

Nov 24, 2012 21:51:10 GMT JP Inawat said:

Nov 24, 2012 19:59:31 GMT Walt Frazier said:

Phoenix, as I have explained, I did not ask you for more money because it would not have made a difference. There is a sort of limit I was looking to get with Jeremy, and he ended up around there. If you would have put in an extra 500k a year or so than what Portland did, it would not have made a difference.

Jeremy did not choose to sign with Portland because he offered more money than you. There were many, many factors. The fact you traded for him and wanted him a lot was a factor, but again, that is one of many things we considered.

- Jeremy felt more comfortable playing in the NorthWest than in Arizona, for example.
- Jeremy did like Portland's team better than your team, as far as the pieces on the team.
- Jeremy felt Portland's manager has made some pretty good moves with an eye to being competitive.
- The money in both places was basically equal.

There are more that I looked at throughout the process. It just made the most sense to go to Portland.

I get it, but I could have at least been told that this was going to happen instead of being surprised like everyone else so I could have adjusted my plans accordingly, earlier.

Anyways, I'd like to put this behind me. My point now is not about Lin, but about the re-signing period. To that, I would digress everything except what you said about him making better moves than I did.

Last year, my best player was Steve Nash, 38 years old. Now, my best player is Josh Smith, 26 years old. Last year, I had 3 bloated contracts. (Childress, Frye, Warrick). I turned it to gobs of cap space, which I would have used to turn this franchise around. Even if I was secretive to some aspects, that seemed quite obvious. We were in a position to rebuild without being forced to tank and he and Smith were to be the center of the rebuilding process, plus I had gobs of cap space to build a contender already. (Maybe I could have put this in my pitch, but whatever.)

Not to diss on Portland, he certainly doesn't deserve to be thrown under the bus like this, but he traded Jamal Crawford, JJ Hickson, Nicolas Batum, Jonny Flynn, Kurt Thomas, Elliot Williams, Shawne Williams and Nolan Smith, and a pick who turned out to be Andre Drummond for Rudy Gay, Nikola Pekovic, Nazr Mohammed, Patrick Mills and a probable non-lottery pick. I wouldn't be the best judge, but to me it seems like he's got worse, except for the overpaid Gay, and he gave way too much up him. Plus, he admitted that his team was on a "major" downfall.

But again, I'd like to put this behind me.

Haha ya thanks for totally critiquing my moves

In my defense I'm not totally in love with the moves I made, but I'm not going to just sit here and not backup my actions.

The Rudy Gay trade I'm still not totally sure if I did the right thing. The trade was pretty much Kawhi Leonard and Andre Drummond for Rudy Gay, since all the other guys in the deal were shit other than Koufos (Who had to be added for salaries to work). Now in a few years this could bite me in the ass, both Leonard and Drummond could become all-stars and number 1 options for their teams. Then again this is all based off of potential and both of them could become bona fide role players. Rudy Gay is arguably the best player on the Grizzlies who are a team that is 1st in the West, so at least I got a proven player to team up with LaMarcus.

The Batum for Pekovic trade I would say that the Wolves have had the better part of the trade so far since Batum has improved his level of play this season. Pekovic has been good this season but not as good as Batum. Still, Pekovic is improving and is showing signs of being a promising center. When I made this trade I had little need for Batum and I had a glaring hole at center. It was a good trade I think for both teams.

Jamal Crawford had a player option, and I was 99% sure that he was going to opt out, and he did just that with Sacramento. I was at least able to get a pick out of it, other than him leaving me in the off-season with nothing. The comment I made in that trade was true, I think my team was on a 10+ losing streak and I went from being a play-off caliber team to a bottom feeder. Instead of wanting to keep Crawford for the rest of the season, I decided to ship him out.

Oh and I traded Hickson for Leonard, which I thought was a pretty good deal for me. In turn, Leonard was traded along with my pick for Rudy Gay. So you could look at the Gay trade as Hickson and Drummond for Gay, which looks a tad better ;D