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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 23, 2020 20:19:34 GMT
Off Season Free Agents List 2020Off Season Free Agency begins Wednesday 1st July, 2020. Please read the Off Season Free Agency guide. * asterisk indicates a Bird Rights playerDark grey names indicate bidding closedOverseer ( Ian Noble) Centers (Player Agent: Brian Scalabrine): 88 Karl Anthony Towns* 82 Montrezl Harrell* 79 DeAndre Jordan 79 Marc Gasol 79 Myles Turner* 77 Thomas Bryant 77 Willie C Stein* 76 Dewayne Dedmon 76 JaVale McGee 76 Tyson Chandler 75 Robin Lopez 75 Daniel Theis 74 Tyler Zeller 73 Joakim Noah 72 Jahlil Okafor* 72 Kevon Looney*
Power Forwards (Player Agent: Bryan Colangelo): 88 Blake Griffin* 86 Tobias Harris 86 Danilo Gallinari 85 Kristaps Porzingis* 81 Serge Ibaka 77 Bobby Portis* 77 Kyle Kuzma 76 Ed Davis 75 Anthony Tolliver 75 Royce O'Neale 74 Frank Kaminsky 74 Nemanja Bjelica 74 Trey Lyles 73 Jonas Jerebko 72 Caleb Swanigan 71 TJ Leaf 70 Jared Dudley 67 Bruno Caboclo 66 Khem Birch 65 Johnny O'Bryant
Small Forwards (Player Agent: Alex English): 97 Lebron James 96 Kawhi Leonard* 83 TJ Warren 82 Will Barton* 80 Marcus Morris 79 Kelly Oubre* 79 Wesley Matthews 78 Justise Winslow* 78 Rodney Hood 78 Rudy Gay 78 Rondae H Jefferson* 77 Andre Iguodala 77 Jabari Parker 77 Wilson Chandler 77 Courtney Lee 76 Thaddeus Young 75 Kyle Korver 75 Michael Beasley 73 David Nwaba 73 Jeff Green 73 Stanley Johnson* 72 Ryan Anderson 71 DeMarre Carroll 71 Sam Dekker 69 Semi Ojeleye 66 Jordan McRae
Shooting Guards (Player Agent: Danny Longley): 94 Paul George* 88 Devin Booker* 84 Bojan Bogdanovic 83 Louis Williams* 78 Austin Rivers 78 Eric Gordon 78 Joe Harris* 78 Tim Hardaway Jr* 77 Wayne Ellington 77 Dillon Brooks* 77 Kent Bazemore 76 Alec Burks 76 Reggie Bullock 75 Josh Jackson 75 Jamal Crawford 75 Tomas Satoransky 71 Mario Hezonja 70 Jonathon Simmons 69 Dwayne Bacon* 67 Melvin Frazier
Point Guards (Player Agent: Walt Frazier): 96 Stephen Curry* 90 Russell Westbrook* 82 D'Angelo Russell* 80 Jeff Teague 80 Spencer Dinwiddie 80 Derrick Rose 79 Fred VanVleet 78 George Hill 77 Rajon Rondo 77 Elfrid Payton 77 Jeremy Lin 76 Dion Waiters 76 DJ Augustin 76 Jose Barea 76 Terry Rozier 76 Tyler Johnson 75 Shabazz Napier 75 Delon Wright 75 Patrick Mills* 74 Emmanuel Mudiay 74 Monte Morris 74 Yogi Ferrell 73 Tyus Jones* 72 Jose Calderon 71 Jevon Carter 69 Frank Jackson 69 Patrick McCaw 68 Michael C Williams 67 Kobi Simmons 66 Edmond Sumner 65 Markel Brown 63 Jimmer Fredette
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 23, 2020 20:33:56 GMT
Upcoming Player Options (decisions to be announced):
97 Lebron James $41,002,272 96 Kawhi Leonard $35,674,652 90 Kyrie Irving $35,674,655 90 Russell Westbrook $42,809,585 87 Kemba Walker $35,674,651 86 Danilo Gallinari $31,173,829 86 Tobias Harris $33,299,890 85 Andre Drummond $30,347,232 83 Louis Williams $10,626,492 83 Paul Millsap $34,915,620 81 Evan Fournier $15,503,727 80 Ricky Rubio $19,140,896 77 Andre Iguodala $4,103,200 77 James Johnson $10,852,845 77 Rajon Rondo $10,442,748 76 Glenn Robinson $9,000,000 76 John Henson $7,250,000 75 Alex Len $10,000,000 75 Avery Bradley $30,746,848 75 Bismack Biyombo $22,177,800 75 Shabazz Napier $2,427,350 75 Taj Gibson $8,709,772 74 Nicolas Batum $18,500,000 73 Ian Mahinmi $4,728,181 73 Kenneth Faried $35,728,928 70 Jerian Grant $3,165,813
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 25, 2020 23:02:37 GMT
Upcoming Player Options (decisions to be announced): 97 Lebron James $41,002,272 Out (players older than 36 under the CBA can’t sign a max extension; he won’t be eligible next offseason so he cashes in this one)96 Kawhi Leonard $35,674,652 Out (least loyal superstar in the League— will assess options)90 Kyrie Irving $35,674,655 In (can get a 10 yr max next offseason and PG-13 decision last season could be precedent)90 Russell Westbrook $42,809,585 Out (dude is athletically declining and needs one more max payout)87 Kemba Walker $35,674,651 50/5086 Danilo Gallinari $31,173,829 Out (soon to be 32 with suitors everywhere— one last big deal)86 Tobias Harris $33,299,890 Out (lots of money and options on the table this summer, and could be a beneficiary of strike outs in the top FA tier)85 Andre Drummond $30,347,232 Out (26, near tops at his position, should command big money with at least 7 teams having one max slot)83 Louis Williams $10,626,492 Out (34 and getting older— one last cash out)83 Paul Millsap $34,915,620 In (Easy call— no one is paying him this at 35)81 Evan Fournier $15,503,727 Out (Could get a starting role and more $$ on the open market)80 Ricky Rubio $19,140,896 In (Same as PM— no one is paying him this rate)77 Andre Iguodala $4,103,200 In (Complete shell of himself— might be lucky for vet min)77 James Johnson $10,852,845 In (Not getting that kind of money)77 Rajon Rondo $10,442,748 In (Not getting this type of money)76 Glenn Robinson $9,000,000 Out (Young wing who could get a sneaky long term offer)76 John Henson $7,250,000 In (No one should touch him at this rate)75 Alex Len $10,000,000 In (easily could be replaced by a vet min/1-2 MM a yr type)75 Avery Bradley $30,746,848 In (Next player)75 Bismack Biyombo $22,177,800 In (See above)75 Shabazz Napier $2,427,350 Out (Probably could get more long term)75 Taj Gibson $8,709,772 In (Not getting this at his age and with his decline)74 Nicolas Batum $18,500,000 In (Just like his real life contract, massively overpaid)73 Ian Mahinmi $4,728,181 In (See Len)73 Kenneth Faried $35,728,928 In (another massive overpay)70 Jerian Grant $3,165,813 Out (still young, maybe a team takes a long term flyer on him)
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 25, 2020 23:07:59 GMT
Kemba is in the same boat as Kyrie. Teammates with the best player in the league, a revamped roster, historical loyalty, wanted to be on a playoff team, and is eligible for a 10 year max next year, Paul George precedent. Not 50/50 IMO
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 25, 2020 23:10:49 GMT
Kemba is in the same boat as Kyrie. Teammates with the best player in the league, a revamped roster, historical loyalty, wanted to be on a playoff team, and is eligible for a 10 year max next year, Paul George precedent. Not 50/50 IMO He’s over two years older than Kyrie, and guards his size post age 30 tend to historically not age well. But, to your point on PG-13 decision, that may come into play. That’s why I have him as 50/50 personally
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 25, 2020 23:19:24 GMT
At 31 years old, and eligible for the 10 year max, it'd be his last big contract. Even if he doesn't get the 10 year max, he'd be eligible for more money long term than what he'd get if he were to opt out this summer. We're talking tens of millions.
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Post by Steve Nash on Apr 26, 2020 5:22:45 GMT
Fournier has a starting role and has been killing it! Otherwise I generally agree. Is that actually true about LeBron? I didn't know that rule existed in the CBA
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Post by Shane Battier on Apr 26, 2020 6:00:44 GMT
I don't think it'll be an easy decision for Kawhi to opt out. It's easy to say that he isn't loyal after his recent decisions but the only reason he wanted to be out of San Antonio is because of how the organization treated his injury. It's not like he bolted out of San Antionio right after his rookie deal. If there wasn't a misunderstanding, there's no doubt in my mind that he'd be staying with the Spurs.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 26, 2020 7:32:49 GMT
He left Toronto after winning a championship and with a really good supporting cast. I mean, imagine if Toronto had kept him this year. They'd cruise to the Finals again in the East.
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 26, 2020 8:34:40 GMT
Fournier has a starting role and has been killing it! Otherwise I generally agree. Is that actually true about LeBron? I didn't know that rule existed in the CBA So the rule on maxes was actually more punitive prior to the last CBA, where if a player turned 36 during a max extension (4 or 5 yrs), the contract had to end in the same year the player turned 36. The change to the rule was pushed significantly by CP3 and LeBron. Now it has to end when the player turns 38, so even now LeBron can only sign a 3 yr max this offseason, but under the old rules he wouldn’t be eligible for a max that was more than year to year
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 26, 2020 8:48:16 GMT
I agree with Tom Izzo here on Kawhi; if he had stayed in Toronto, I might buy more that it was just animosity between him and San Antonio for his recent actions, but Toronto sported an elite sidekick under age 26 (Siakim), three solid veterans (Gasol, Ibaka, Lowry), three up and coming youngsters (Van Vleet, Anunoby, and Powell) plus some intriguing projects (Chris Boucher, Lorenzo Brown) for Kawhi to consider and he STILL walked away from that roster AND a full 4 yr max to sign with LAC on a shorter 2+1 type max deal. I think all bets are off when it comes to how he operates in the FA context.
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Post by George Gervin on May 6, 2020 13:19:22 GMT
Logistical question from me Ian Noble: if the NBA has yet to resume its season and hasn’t made a determination on continuation/cancellation by June 30, does our OSFA go off on July 1 using the projected February 2020 cap assumption of a $115 MM salary cap with a 150% HC of that figure, or would we defer OSFA until actual figures are released? Technically they release those once all regular season and playoff revenues are calculated, so we could have an unexpected break that would be mid-June to September if the NBA tried to finish this season.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 6, 2020 14:19:44 GMT
Logistical question from me Ian Noble: if the NBA has yet to resume its season and hasn’t made a determination on continuation/cancellation by June 30, does our OSFA go off on July 1 using the projected February 2020 cap assumption of a $115 MM salary cap with a 150% HC of that figure, or would we defer OSFA until actual figures are released? Technically they release those once all regular season and playoff revenues are calculated, so we could have an unexpected break that would be mid-June to September if the NBA tried to finish this season. That's a good question. It's difficult to have a definitive answer for it though! If we wanted to continue with a July 1st start date for OSFA, and we didn't have any word from the NBA, we could just continue with an unchanged salary cap level - I think that would at least be more sensible than using an earlier season estimate that doesn't have coronavirus factored-in. Maybe it would be good to make that decision earlier rather than later so GMs know what to expect.
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Post by George Gervin on May 6, 2020 14:28:35 GMT
Logistical question from me Ian Noble : if the NBA has yet to resume its season and hasn’t made a determination on continuation/cancellation by June 30, does our OSFA go off on July 1 using the projected February 2020 cap assumption of a $115 MM salary cap with a 150% HC of that figure, or would we defer OSFA until actual figures are released? Technically they release those once all regular season and playoff revenues are calculated, so we could have an unexpected break that would be mid-June to September if the NBA tried to finish this season. That's a good question. It's difficult to have a definitive answer for it though! If we wanted to continue with a July 1st start date for OSFA, and we didn't have any word from the NBA, we could just continue with an unchanged salary cap level - I think that would at least be more sensible than using an earlier season estimate that doesn't have coronavirus factored-in. Maybe it would be good to make that decision earlier rather than later so GMs know what to expect. I think it would make more sense to have that contingency decision made or at least put to a vote to see what GMs would prefer. I’m not sure delaying all OS items is the best route, as that makes it a real crunch in the fall between this season wrap up and the start of the next one, but maybe other GMs would prefer full delay until the NBA has established figures on cap, HC, etc
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 6, 2020 14:40:30 GMT
I'd personally be against using an estimate, even if we are using $109m instead of $116m. I think we should just wait until we see what happens with the real NBA so that we can get it right.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 6, 2020 15:12:36 GMT
I'd personally be against using an estimate, even if we are using $109m instead of $116m. I think we should just wait until we see what happens with the real NBA so that we can get it right. There's value to this approach, but there's also value to being a virtual league that can progress with operations regardless of what's happening in the real NBA.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 6, 2020 15:28:25 GMT
I'd personally be against using an estimate, even if we are using $109m instead of $116m. I think we should just wait until we see what happens with the real NBA so that we can get it right. There's value to this approach, but there's also value to being a virtual league that can progress with operations regardless of what's happening in the real NBA. I agree with my fellow Josh. We've always based around NBA's figures for the cap. Granted, we have NOT delayed/paused/stopped our season like the real NBA has, so that could lead to some differences, but I'm not sure that parallels to this decision. And, we've just this past year done a delayed offseason for other reasons, and I thought it was okay. We always lag behind the NBA (until this COVID-19 craziness), so if we end up lagging 2 months or 3 months behind due to our OSFA process being delayed / waiting for the NBA to catch up, so be it. We can catch up the time over the next year or two by shortening our offseason (post OSFA to start of next season) break by a few weeks or a month or so. I'd say we wait, personally.
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 6, 2020 20:58:29 GMT
This league is the only semblance of sports we have going on. We resemble real life, but we don't have to follow everything exactly. We are a virtual league. I like the idea of continuing simply because I don't want to wait... This is filling my sports desire and enjoy the simulation.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 8, 2020 19:23:41 GMT
Where do I claim Bird Rights again?
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Post by George Gervin on May 8, 2020 19:45:07 GMT
Where do I claim Bird Rights again? I don’t think that or the Team Options sections have been created yet
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Post by Ian Noble on May 8, 2020 19:51:30 GMT
Where do I claim Bird Rights again? Got to wait until the end of season (like 10 days time).
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