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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 10, 2020 16:59:52 GMT
Current rating: 76
Suggested rating: 79
Stats this year: 16ppg 4.7rpg 3.1apg
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 10, 2020 17:27:09 GMT
No way.
76 is fine
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Larry Bird
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Post by Larry Bird on Feb 10, 2020 17:36:05 GMT
76
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Post by George Gervin on Feb 10, 2020 17:40:31 GMT
Yeah he was playing for a garbage team putting up hollow stats.
76 is fine
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 10, 2020 17:48:43 GMT
Yeah he was playing for a garbage team putting up hollow stats. 76 is fine does this also apply to Devin Booker and Trae Young? |
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Post by George Gervin on Feb 10, 2020 18:08:50 GMT
Yeah he was playing for a garbage team putting up hollow stats. 76 is fine does this also apply to Devin Booker and Trae Young? Warriors have the leagues worst record and AB put up the line you mentioned and he’s not the primary offensive option. Both Booker and Young are, and their teams have better records than the Warriors. It’s not a just comparison to invoke those situations to justify boosting a guy you recently acquired who put up okay numbers on a BAD team |
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James Kay
 Charlotte Hornets
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Post by James Kay on Feb 10, 2020 18:23:19 GMT
does this also apply to Devin Booker and Trae Young? Warriors have the leagues worst record and AB put up the line you mentioned and he’s not the primary offensive option. Both Booker and Young are, and their teams have better records than the Warriors. It’s not a just comparison to invoke those situations to justify boosting a guy you recently acquired who put up okay numbers on a BAD team Without giving an opinion about what either of these players should be rated, this is kind of a ridiculous argument lol. ATL has 3 more wins than GSW and a much more talented roster than GSW. |
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Post by George Gervin on Feb 10, 2020 18:33:37 GMT
Warriors have the leagues worst record and AB put up the line you mentioned and he’s not the primary offensive option. Both Booker and Young are, and their teams have better records than the Warriors. It’s not a just comparison to invoke those situations to justify boosting a guy you recently acquired who put up okay numbers on a BAD team Without giving an opinion about what either of these players should be rated, this is kind of a ridiculous argument lol. ATL has 3 more wins than GSW and a much more talented roster than GSW. I get the point that it’s splitting hairs on record, roster quality, expectations etc., but the idea that because Burcs put up those numbers on that team therefore means he should be rated the same as a VanVleet, Jerami Grant, etc. who are on good teams putting up good numbers doesn’t make sense |
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James Kay
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Post by James Kay on Feb 10, 2020 18:39:33 GMT
Without giving an opinion about what either of these players should be rated, this is kind of a ridiculous argument lol. ATL has 3 more wins than GSW and a much more talented roster than GSW. I get the point that it’s splitting hairs on record, roster quality, expectations etc., but the idea that because Burcs put up those numbers on that team therefore means he should be rated the same as a VanVleet, Jerami Grant, etc. who are on good teams putting up good numbers doesn’t make sense I agree with you. But I think that we should try to remove team record as much as we can. Otherwise, we get "Empty stats on bad team," at the same time we get, "Elevated stats because he plays on a good team." |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Feb 10, 2020 18:44:16 GMT
Without giving an opinion about what either of these players should be rated, this is kind of a ridiculous argument lol. ATL has 3 more wins than GSW and a much more talented roster than GSW. I get the point that it’s splitting hairs on record, roster quality, expectations etc., but the idea that because Burcs put up those numbers on that team therefore means he should be rated the same as a VanVleet, Jerami Grant, etc. who are on good teams putting up good numbers doesn’t make sense Basketball wise, if you are on a bad team and you are putting up good numbers that means you have the talent. if you put up great numbers, opposing teams will likely to defend you more, so putting up 16ppg on a bad team does not mean you are trash. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 10, 2020 18:46:13 GMT
I get the point that it’s splitting hairs on record, roster quality, expectations etc., but the idea that because Burcs put up those numbers on that team therefore means he should be rated the same as a VanVleet, Jerami Grant, etc. who are on good teams putting up good numbers doesn’t make sense I agree with you. But I think that we should try to remove team record as much as we can. Otherwise, we get "Empty stats on bad team," at the same time we get, "Elevated stats because he plays on a good team." Interesting point |
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Post by Jerry West on Feb 10, 2020 18:56:37 GMT
I dont completely agree, if they were on a good team they wouldn't get as many touches because they simply arent as good as players. For example Marcus Morris was the 1st option in New York and is the 5th in LA now. Alex Burcs was the 2nd option in GS and is probably around the 5the option as well in Philly
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James Kay
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Post by James Kay on Feb 10, 2020 19:03:28 GMT
I dont completely agree, if they were on a good team they wouldn't get as many touches because they simply arent as good as players. For example Marcus Morris was the 1st option in New York and is the 5th in LA now. Alex Burcs was the 2nd option in GS and is probably around the 5the option as well in Philly Which is why looking at percentages and further contextual clues to gauge a player's worth is important. The ball has to go into someone's hand, so mediocre players on bad teams should have inflated raw stats. But they'll also receive heightened defensive attention from opposing defenses that they might escape if they played on a legitimate playoff team. They're also not benefiting from the spacing or playmaking of better teammates. But certain players are also more inclined to succeed in these environments, and might in fact suffer in raw output as well as efficiency when asked to slide into more supportive roles. It's obviously nuanced so just going "empty stats bad team," is just dumb IMO. (Again - not arguing for a specific rating on Burks, lol. Just commenting on the somewhat pointless exercise of bringing up team record). |
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Post by Jerry West on Feb 10, 2020 19:09:35 GMT
I dont completely agree, if they were on a good team they wouldn't get as many touches because they simply arent as good as players. For example Marcus Morris was the 1st option in New York and is the 5th in LA now. Alex Burcs was the 2nd option in GS and is probably around the 5the option as well in Philly Which is why looking at percentages and further contextual clues to gauge a player's worth is important. The ball has to go into someone's hand, so mediocre players on bad teams should have inflated raw stats. But they'll also receive heightened defensive attention from opposing defenses that they might escape if they played on a legitimate playoff team. They're also not benefiting from the spacing or playmaking of better teammates. But certain players are also more inclined to succeed in these environments, and might in fact suffer in raw output as well as efficiency when asked to slide into more supportive roles. It's obviously nuanced so just going "empty stats bad team," is just dumb IMO. (Again - not arguing for a specific rating on Burks, lol. Just commenting on the somewhat pointless exercise of bringing up team record). That's a fair point, but if you look at Marcus Morris stats and percentages he was almost looking like an all star. |
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James Kay
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Post by James Kay on Feb 10, 2020 19:15:55 GMT
Which is why looking at percentages and further contextual clues to gauge a player's worth is important. The ball has to go into someone's hand, so mediocre players on bad teams should have inflated raw stats. But they'll also receive heightened defensive attention from opposing defenses that they might escape if they played on a legitimate playoff team. They're also not benefiting from the spacing or playmaking of better teammates. But certain players are also more inclined to succeed in these environments, and might in fact suffer in raw output as well as efficiency when asked to slide into more supportive roles. It's obviously nuanced so just going "empty stats bad team," is just dumb IMO. (Again - not arguing for a specific rating on Burks, lol. Just commenting on the somewhat pointless exercise of bringing up team record). That's a fair point, but if you look at Marcus Morris stats and percentages he was almost looking like an all star. Well, yeah. I don't think that him being the 4th or 5th option on LAC is a knock on him - if anything it speaks to how stacked LAC is. |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 17, 2020 1:35:53 GMT
I'm also okay at a 76. And, I'm only the 5th vote. Normally I would bump but there was a good amount of activity here, and only the first poster wanted any movement. I WILL take a look at the rating categories and adjust IF needed.
THREAD CLOSED
New Rating: 76
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