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Post by Shane Battier on Feb 7, 2020 5:22:05 GMT
Chicago Bulls trade:
79 Derrick Favors $26,993,568 $29,962,860
73 Josh Okogie $1,695,100 $1,980,700 $3,258,252 $4,717,948
74 Andre Roberson $5,375,000 $5,750,000 $6,125,000
77 Rajon Rondo $9,714,184 $10,442,748
2020 SAC 2nd rd pick
2020 SAS 2nd rd pick
Total: $43,777,852
Houston Rockets trade:
83 Kevin Love $38,567,194 $42,809,585
66 MarShon Brooks $898,310
65 Thomas Walkup $898,310
65 Demetrius Jackson $898,310
Total: $41,262,124
Admin edit: added salary totals
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Post by Shane Battier on Feb 7, 2020 5:22:30 GMT
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 7, 2020 5:30:07 GMT
I accept.
It's been a busy couple of weeks negotiating deals for Kevin Love. While I appreciated the talent Love brought to the Rockets, we knew we were going to go in a different direction from the moment management changed hands. Derrick Favors brings us a more grounded center to anchor our team while giving us additional depth and youth. And Favors contract is the same length as Love's - this was important to me. I will have a huge expiring contract next season.
With the completion of this deal I've turned Mike Conley and Kevin Love into:
- Chris Paul
- Derrick Favors
- Josh Okegie
- Denzel Valentine
- Andre Roberson
- 4 2nd round picks
I'm happy with this direction. We really want to build around Kemba and Giannis and feel this is helping us stay competitive while compiling assets with an eye on serious future contention.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 7, 2020 5:31:18 GMT
With the completion of this deal we will be releasing Thomas Walkup and Demetrius Jackson.
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 7, 2020 6:58:03 GMT
Accept
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CHI - HOU
Feb 7, 2020 13:57:25 GMT
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 7, 2020 13:57:25 GMT
Accept
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 7, 2020 14:03:53 GMT
Incredible trade for Houston. Tom has been killing it
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Post by George Gervin on Feb 7, 2020 14:16:04 GMT
Like the deal a lot for the Rockets— especially a young 3 and D guy like Okogie on his rookie deal.
What’s puzzling is how this trade is actually legal for Chicago, as it puts them from under to over the hard cap line of $163 MM this season and $172 MM next season.
Edit: Absent a Rondo opt out for OSFA or another trade for an expiring, Chicago would be about $3 MM per year short of a max contract offer to retain Kawhi should he opt out
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Post by Allen Iverson on Feb 7, 2020 15:17:47 GMT
Like the deal a lot for the Rockets— especially a young 3 and D guy like Okogie on his rookie deal. What’s puzzling is how this trade is actually legal for Chicago, as it puts them from under to over the hard cap line of $163 MM this season and $172 MM next season. Edit: Absent a Rondo opt out for OSFA or another trade for an expiring, Chicago would be about $3 MM per year short of a max contract offer to retain Kawhi should he opt out Josh Okogie stats: 8.5ppg | 4.4rpg | 1.6apg | 1.1 spg | 40.8% FG | 24.4% 3PTFG on 2.6 attempts per game Still a nice trade though. |
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Post by Mark Price on Feb 7, 2020 18:08:58 GMT
OFFICIAL RELEASE FROM THE NOW DECEASED CHARLES:  |
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Post by James Kay on Feb 7, 2020 18:22:24 GMT
I have opinions on this trade, but I won't voice them unless a new version is posted. Ian Noble As is, trade is invalid. Incoming salaries for Chicago: $38,567,194 Outgoing salaries for Chicago: $34,063,668 This is within the 125% rule. However, this increases Chicago's salaries by $4,503,526. CHI salary before trade: $160,710,874 CHI salary after trade: $165,214,400 The current hard cap is $163,710,000. Therefore, this trade pushes Chicago above the hard cap, and is invalid. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 7, 2020 18:32:21 GMT
OFFICIAL RELEASE FROM THE NOW DECEASED CHARLES: ok boomer |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 7, 2020 18:32:54 GMT
I have opinions on this trade, but I won't voice them unless a new version is posted. Ian Noble As is, trade is invalid. Incoming salaries for Chicago: $38,567,194 Outgoing salaries for Chicago: $34,063,668 This is within the 125% rule. However, this increases Chicago's salaries by $4,503,526. CHI salary before trade: $160,710,874 CHI salary after trade: $165,214,400 The current hard cap is $163,710,000. Therefore, this trade pushes Chicago above the hard cap, and is invalid. Tracking. We're working on a new deal. Thanks |
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Post by George Gervin on Feb 7, 2020 18:34:22 GMT
I have opinions on this trade, but I won't voice them unless a new version is posted. Ian Noble As is, trade is invalid. Incoming salaries for Chicago: $38,567,194 Outgoing salaries for Chicago: $34,063,668 This is within the 125% rule. However, this increases Chicago's salaries by $4,503,526. CHI salary before trade: $160,710,874 CHI salary after trade: $165,214,400 The current hard cap is $163,710,000. Therefore, this trade pushes Chicago above the hard cap, and is invalid. ^this. I couldn’t find anything rules based on this for hard cap, but logically going from under to over the hard cap in a trade doesn’t make sense. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 7, 2020 18:37:17 GMT
We're aware he goes over the hard cap. We started working on a new deal this morning. We'll have something out soon.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 7, 2020 18:39:54 GMT
We're aware he goes over the hard cap. We started working on a new deal this morning. We'll have something out soon. Just have Chicago throw in Herro, that should work  |
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Post by Mark Price on Feb 7, 2020 20:00:43 GMT
OFFICIAL RELEASE FROM THE NOW DECEASED CHARLES: ok boomer CHARLES'S OFFICIAL RESPONSE:  |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 7, 2020 23:27:06 GMT
I have opinions on this trade, but I won't voice them unless a new version is posted. Ian Noble As is, trade is invalid. Incoming salaries for Chicago: $38,567,194 Outgoing salaries for Chicago: $34,063,668 This is within the 125% rule. However, this increases Chicago's salaries by $4,503,526. CHI salary before trade: $160,710,874 CHI salary after trade: $165,214,400 The current hard cap is $163,710,000. Therefore, this trade pushes Chicago above the hard cap, and is invalid. This guy should be part of the TC. |
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Post by Shane Battier on Feb 8, 2020 0:21:42 GMT
I've added Rondo while Tom added Brooks, Walkup, and Jackson. I'm going to cut these three guys once the deal is accepted.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 8, 2020 0:23:38 GMT
I accept. New totals:
Houston outgoing: $41,262,124
Chicago outgoing: $43,777,852
Works within 125% and also hard cap restraints.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 8, 2020 0:29:33 GMT
I've added Rondo while Tom added Brooks, Walkup, and Jackson. I'm going to cut these three guys once the deal is accepted. While that's not part of the trade, and therefore isn't really relevant especially since this is a 4 for 4 trade, you'd actually need to either keep one of them or sign one other player first since cutting 3 players would take you below 12 players. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 8, 2020 0:46:07 GMT
I've added Rondo while Tom added Brooks, Walkup, and Jackson. I'm going to cut these three guys once the deal is accepted. While that's not part of the trade, and therefore isn't really relevant especially since this is a 4 for 4 trade, you'd actually need to either keep one of them or sign one other player first since cutting 3 players would take you below 12 players. No disrespect but this guy deserves to be on the TC. Ian Noble your thoughts sir? |
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Post by Shane Battier on Feb 8, 2020 1:28:19 GMT
I've added Rondo while Tom added Brooks, Walkup, and Jackson. I'm going to cut these three guys once the deal is accepted. While that's not part of the trade, and therefore isn't really relevant especially since this is a 4 for 4 trade, you'd actually need to either keep one of them or sign one other player first since cutting 3 players would take you below 12 players. My bad. I'm going to keep Brooks then |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 8, 2020 1:58:53 GMT
Votes please
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 8, 2020 9:13:23 GMT
I've added salary totals to the original post with my elite hacking skills (clicking Edit). This trade does now conform to Hard Cap and 125% rules. IMHO this is yet another genius trade by Shane Battier. In this single trade he sheds $48m of salary in preparation for re-signing Kawhi if he opts-out this OSFA and he strengthens his starting unit this season with the Kevin Love addition. Rockets are doing Rockets things, I don't entirely get it but it's fine either way. I accept. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Feb 8, 2020 9:46:53 GMT
Trading away two aging vets that:
- no one wanted or was low balling me for
- that were declining and I wouldn't have resigned anyway
- with a team I inherited that was and is below .500 and barely making the playoffs
- while maintaining some talent to compete now without completely crippling the future
- with the best player in the NBA coming up in 2 years to free agency and understanding this needs to be a top playoff team with a future to retain him
- and adding 4 2nd round picks in the process
- without any serious negative long term cap implications
Or I could just take over a team in a tough situation and immediately join half the league in completely tearing everything down and be another GM who trades their franchise player and league MVP away for... What? Brandon Ingram and 4 late 1sts - 2 of which are in one of the weakest drafts of the decade? SGA and Rui? Which, of course, had I done that, aside from being terrible offers, everyone would have complained about a new GM sending away their best player right after getting the team.
So with Kevin Love and Mike Conley as 2 of your only 3 positive realistically tradeable assets, what exactly are you to do? Sit and wait for more rating decreases and them to walk and leave Giannis with nothing to come back to? Hope to win the crapshoot free agency race that... Oh yeah, half the league is also hoping to win?
It's not a great position to be in. But I'm not going to let Giannis leave this team. Building depth, adding some young players, accumulating picks and more assets that can further be turned into more assets down the road. A slow, soft rebuild.
#justrocketthings
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Post by Danny Longley on Feb 8, 2020 10:57:57 GMT
In this single trade he sheds $48m of salary in preparation for re-signing Kawhi if he opts-out this OSFA Am I missing something? I see CHI saving about 5m, but neither side even totals to 48m. Anyway, still accepting. Quite like this for HOU tbh, CHI gets the best player in the deal, but I think the Rockets get what they need without sacrificing much. The Rockets get some sorely needed depth and pick up some nice small pieces as well. Also purely speculation on my part, but the trade might actually help HOU get better immediately as well, considering how many of the forced signings were eating up significant playing time/high rotation spots in the sim. |
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Post by George Gervin on Feb 8, 2020 12:39:06 GMT
I've added salary totals to the original post with my elite hacking skills (clicking Edit). This trade does now conform to Hard Cap and 125% rules. IMHO this is yet another genius trade by Shane Battier . In this single trade he sheds $48m of salary in preparation for re-signing Kawhi if he opts-out this OSFA and he strengthens his starting unit this season with the Kevin Love addition. Rockets are doing Rockets things, I don't entirely get it but it's fine either way. I accept. So doing the math on this, Chicago assuming a Leonard opt out and no trades between now and OSFA would be at $130 MM. Since they have BRs and could go full max, it’d bring them just under $165 MM with a hard cap line likely to be in the $169-$172 MM range. Seems pretty simple to say mission accomplished getting off Rondo and others to get the room That being said, one roster spot (Cousins) is a huge question mark; another now (Love) could further deteriorate. That leaves the selling points of a return to be Tyler Herro, only two future 1st rounders over the next four drafts, and Lillard who could opt out for the 2021 OSFA. The Bulls would have minimal room to add players to their roster to even reach the minimum floor of rostered guys, let alone a needle mover. It feels like a big gamble to do this kind of 4 for 1 deal when, without a move down the road, it leaves the Bulls with an uphill sell. ESPECIALLY since the guy they’re trying to retain turned down, IRL, a full max, no opt outs, from a championship team to sign a 2+1 elsewhere, so it’s clear the longest and biggest deal isn’t what he cares about, but the team around him. For Houston, it was already mentioned by Danny Longley that it wisely has kicked those 67 and below rated guys to where they belong in the depth chart and probably will help the Rockets immediately. With Rondo now, they also have a flippable piece for some more draft assets should a contender lose their PG. |
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CHI - HOU
Feb 8, 2020 13:24:14 GMT
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Post by Tim Duncan on Feb 8, 2020 13:24:14 GMT
I like this a lot for Houston.I believe Kevin Love will keep declining so i dont value him that highly.Adding Favors Okogie and Rondo gives some depth to HOU.Honestly i feel like Houston is winning both short term and long term especially if Roberson comes back
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 8, 2020 15:51:34 GMT
I'm accepting now that the cap stuff is clear and legal.
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