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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 29, 2020 4:54:00 GMT
Bojan Bogdanović - with the little thing over the c so you know it's legit.
The Bogdanovićs are up to it again. Both of em are up to being awesome. One is from Sacramento and Serbia and the one my stockwatch is for is the one from Utah and Bosnia. One is Bogdan, the other is Bojan.
Bojan has been a shitass load better though ladies and gentleman.
Our dude has been balling OUT.
To the tune of the following line.
21.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.0 apg, .6 spg, .1 bpg
BUT THOSE PERCENTAGES!!!!
.455 FG .421 3PT .908 FT
Wow is the dude just doing great. I know sometimes we see these percentages and just think, OK. White guy, shooting 3s and making an easy layup every now and then. But his 2pt % is .486 and he's shooting a little over half his 15 shots per game inside the arc with good percentages even in the areas where the Houston Rockets only let James Harden pull up from, where albeit Harden is astonishingly amazing but for most players he's great.
Now what rating do I think he needs?
Well he's currently at an 82.
I wanted to comically recommend a 99. But I have to stick to my policy of rating my players the same as I rate any others.
I believe he should be an 86.
I didn't talk about his weak defense but it's not THAT bad outside of the countable stuff, but he is the 2nd best scorer on the 3rd place 32-14 team in a beefed up Western Conference this year and I think that deserves something. Plus he's not playing some bullshit crazy minute count that inflates his numbers.
Thank you
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 29, 2020 4:55:30 GMT
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jan 29, 2020 4:58:08 GMT
85
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Post by James Kay on Jan 29, 2020 5:20:16 GMT
But I have to stick to my policy of rating my players the same as I rate any others. I'm tired of being that guy but just eight days ago you voted Khris Middleton an 85. And you are actually voting Bojan for an 86? If you believe Bojan is an 86, then Middleton is at least an 88 lol. Bojan is averaging nearly 5 more minutes per game than Khris, and gets 2 points more per game. But he also gets 2 fewer assists, 2 fewer rebounds, 0.8 more turnovers, half the steals. They are shooting similar from 3P and FT, but Khris's 2P% (54.4%) makes Bojan's look laughable (48.6%) And these are the per game stats. Per 36, adjusting for Middleton's blowout affected stats, Khris blows him out of the water lol. The Per 100 possessions are similarly illuminating, for those who will point to the pace differential. Utah is 19th in the league this year. He's a better scorer, rebounder, playmaker, and defender. He is ahead, and not by a small amount in most cases, in every single advanced statistic. These are players that are essentially the same height and weight and play the same position. There is no reasonable excuse to vote Bojan higher (WHAT?) than Middleton. Oh, except one is on your team, the other is not. |
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Post by James Kay on Jan 29, 2020 5:48:43 GMT
But FWIW I think he has been really solid this year.
He is a super super solid 3-point shooter, probably one of the best in the league, and he is really good in transition as well.
But that's largely all that he brings to the table. He doesn't really cut or make athletic plays or create opportunities for his teammates. He's a spot up shooter, who can't particularly shoot from mid-range.
He is really not a good defender (Worst DRting on the Jazz) and an absolutely horrid playmaker (more turnovers than assists).
All that being said his spacing has clearly been so valuable for the Jazz this season as he has one of the highest on/off numbers on the team. I'd be more inclined to go 84 for him.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 29, 2020 5:52:41 GMT
But FWIW I think he has been really solid this year. He is a super super solid 3-point shooter, probably one of the best in the league, and he is really good in transition as well. But that's largely all that he brings to the table. He doesn't really cut or make athletic plays or create opportunities for his teammates. He's a spot up shooter, who can't particularly shoot from mid-range. He is really not a good defender (Worst DRting on the Jazz) and an absolutely horrid playmaker (more turnovers than assists). All that being said his spacing has clearly been so valuable for the Jazz this season as he has one of the highest on/off numbers on the team. I'd be more inclined to go 84 for him. He's a pretty solid midrange shooter. But you right, I honestly didn't notice you pointing out the minutes thing in the Middleton thread. Just looked at the line and went with it, I was trying to get em all done. |
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jan 29, 2020 6:47:53 GMT
83
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Post by James Kay on Jan 29, 2020 6:58:56 GMT
But FWIW I think he has been really solid this year. He is a super super solid 3-point shooter, probably one of the best in the league, and he is really good in transition as well. But that's largely all that he brings to the table. He doesn't really cut or make athletic plays or create opportunities for his teammates. He's a spot up shooter, who can't particularly shoot from mid-range. He is really not a good defender (Worst DRting on the Jazz) and an absolutely horrid playmaker (more turnovers than assists). All that being said his spacing has clearly been so valuable for the Jazz this season as he has one of the highest on/off numbers on the team. I'd be more inclined to go 84 for him. He's a pretty solid midrange shooter. But you right, I honestly didn't notice you pointing out the minutes thing in the Middleton thread. Just looked at the line and went with it, I was trying to get em all done. Appreciate/respect the willingness to rectify/admit a small error.  It's hard to try and rate everybody especially when a lot of GMs (including and perhaps significantly myself) don't often put the time and effort in to really exploring/looking at the stats for every player/reading entire stockwatch pitches. Regarding Bojan though, he's really not a good midrange shooter. NBA Mid-range stats say he takes 1.1 per game and only makes 31.1 percent of them. BBall reference also has him taking, by my calculations, 20% of his FGA from 3ft - <3PA, making about ~32% of those shots. Here's his CleaningTheGlass shooting splits.I was truly trying to figure out where he was strongest, because I distinctly remember looking up sleepers for fantasy this year and seeing that Bojan was an absolute beast in transition for the Pacers last year. He was 4th in transition PPP for those who took more than 2.5 transition FGA per game last season. This year he's still really strong, but he fell to 19th in that stat. It looks like about 60% of his shots this year are either spot-ups, transition, or off screens. Honestly dude is just fire from three this year. A career high in attempts, and he's like top 10 in 3P% i think. His TS% is actually only like .3 lower than Middleton's who's having a 50/40/90 season.
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Tim Duncan
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Post by Tim Duncan on Jan 29, 2020 7:14:27 GMT
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Tim Duncan
Former Jazz GM
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Post by Tim Duncan on Jan 29, 2020 7:15:57 GMT
84
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 29, 2020 9:08:57 GMT
Reminder that Lowry is an 85
84
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Post by James Kay on Jan 29, 2020 9:27:54 GMT
Reminder that Lowry is an 85 84 TBF lowry averaged 14 points on 41% last year. He’s a classic example of a player with incredible leadership and fundamentals and intangibles but when you average 14 points on 41% someone’s gonna put a stock watch for him lol. I voted 87 at the time. Walt Frazier - what’s the method for converting votes into the new rating? isn’t it the top and bottom votes don’t get counted? If i’m correct Lowry should actually be an 86 lol |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 29, 2020 10:28:35 GMT
Reminder that Lowry is an 85 84 TBF lowry averaged 14 points on 41% last year. He’s a classic example of a player with incredible leadership and fundamentals and intangibles but when you average 14 points on 41% someone’s gonna put a stock watch for him lol. I voted 87 at the time. Walt Frazier - what’s the method for converting votes into the new rating? isn’t it the top and bottom votes don’t get counted? If i’m correct Lowry should actually be an 86 lol I think we sometimes do rely too heavily on stats. Back when Chris Bosh went to Miami was a great example. His stats dropped off from 24/10.8/2.4 to 18.7/8.3/1.9, but we all know it's because he was sharing the court with Lebron and DWade, not because Bosh became a worse player. Same thing happened with my Jaylen Brown after Hayward/Kyrie/Horford joined Boston - Jaylen had just been one of the main guys for Boston being 1win away from a Finals berth but his stats nosedived (and so did the Celtics W/L record). Guys like Lowry (and CP3, maybe even Vince Carter) have intangibles that we should factor into ratings. |
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Post by Larry Bird on Jan 29, 2020 11:00:59 GMT
Draymond Green should be included in that group with CP3, Lowry, and Jalen Brown. The best thing about his game are the intangibles.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 29, 2020 11:45:33 GMT
84
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 29, 2020 12:35:33 GMT
Reminder that Lowry is an 85 84 TBF lowry averaged 14 points on 41% last year. He’s a classic example of a player with incredible leadership and fundamentals and intangibles but when you average 14 points on 41% someone’s gonna put a stock watch for him lol. I voted 87 at the time. Walt Frazier - what’s the method for converting votes into the new rating? isn’t it the top and bottom votes don’t get counted? If i’m correct Lowry should actually be an 86 lol Method is correct. I'll go check on Lowry |
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 29, 2020 12:40:33 GMT
To be fair Lowry had a rough patch last year, even in the first round if I'm not mistaken. Dude just turned it up in the finals. But I was really suprised when I saw some stat about him being the 7th most influential player of the decade given how consistent he was
He is averaging 20-5-7 this year tho.
Edit: Here it is
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 29, 2020 12:55:33 GMT
85
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jan 29, 2020 14:05:47 GMT
85
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 29, 2020 14:19:32 GMT
We're really handing out 85s to anyone putting up 20 ppg this season. We would have rated these guys 80-82 in any other season.
At least we're being consistent I guess
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 29, 2020 15:08:55 GMT
So glad this thread is an argument about Kyle Lowry.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 29, 2020 17:37:18 GMT
82
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Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Jan 29, 2020 18:08:58 GMT
82
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 30, 2020 1:31:07 GMT
We're really handing out 85s to anyone putting up 20 ppg this season. We would have rated these guys 80-82 in any other season. At least we're being consistent I guess Wrong. Zach Lavine. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 30, 2020 1:34:28 GMT
We're really handing out 85s to anyone putting up 20 ppg this season. We would have rated these guys 80-82 in any other season. At least we're being consistent I guess Wrong. Zach Lavine. He’s actually looked better over the past couple weeks. You just posted the thread too early  |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 30, 2020 1:38:59 GMT
He’s actually looked better over the past couple weeks. You just posted the thread too early Nope. Do not give me false hope Devin Booker! |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 2, 2020 22:30:58 GMT
I vote 84 for Bojan
THREAD CLOSED
Raise to an 84
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