Mike conley

[Amare Stoudemire]

Rating 86
Suggested 82

*Stats*
29.9mpg/13.9ppg/3.5rpg/4.6apg/0.7spg/36.9fg/37.4fg3p/79.5ft

[Jerry West]

82

[George Gervin]

81

[James Kay]

l o l . . .

This GM tryout period is not working out IMO.

There's a lot wrong with having multiple GMs attempting to trade their players, while simultaneously putting out decrease threads for those same players when 1) before the trade has been approved, 2) when the trade still needs an entire month of queuing to be processed, and 3) when the GM has not been approved as the GM of that team.

In regard to this specific thread, I always advocate for giving more time for players who are transitioning to new teams. He's played 20 games. His last season in MEM was absolutely deserving of his 86 rating.

[Jared Montini]

82

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 2:32:46 GMT James Kay said:

l o l . . .

This GM tryout period is not working out IMO.

There's a lot wrong with having multiple GMs attempting to trade their players, while simultaneously putting out decrease threads for those same players when 1) before the trade has been approved, 2) when the trade still needs an entire month of queuing to be processed, and 3) when the GM has not been approved as the GM of that team.

In regard to this specific thread, I always advocate for giving more time for players who are transitioning to new teams. He's played 20 games. His last season in MEM was absolutely deserving of his 86 rating.

Regardless who gets the team, Conley has seriously declined and is always hurt
You can see him at a 86 all you want but he will never sniff that again, new team or not! Have you seen him play lmao
And honestly your right the trial period doesn't work that good
1st off waiting 30 days while a team continues to lose, and nothing can be done is completely frustrating to the point of feeling like something needs to be done, and should be.
I don't understand why the people who are most active and have proved themselves in some sort of way, and been on the waiting list aren't awarded the team imo
This rockets team is going to be 10 games under .500 before someone can do something to help them with players getting stockwatched even lower with bloated contracts so they will never be moveable and the team will basically be forced into a full blown rebuild!
Maybe my suggestion of 80 is a little low but Conley should not be higher than a 82 period. The way he looks on the court, and this new hip injury, along with his injury 2 years ago I can easily see a Isaiah Thomas situation on the horizon very quickly
Furthermore

[Chauncey Billups]

Aren’t you in competition to take over the Rockets? Why make this thread? I’m so confused.

[Chauncey Billups]

He’s hanging around his career averages. 80 is kind of disrespectful. I’ll go 84

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 3:02:57 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

Aren’t you in competition to take over the Rockets? Why make this thread? I’m so confused.

To prove a point of why he needs traded asap bc he's terrible, also it's not like it wouldn't have happened anyways! I'm not going to sit back and act like he's a 86 regardless if I'm in competition for the rockets or not
It's called being honest and if everyone is going to start stock watching people than let it be done

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 3:05:55 GMT Chauncey Billups said:

He’s hanging around his career averages. 80 is kind of disrespectful. I’ll go 84

Lmao
Dude has played 21 games, and has a
12.4per/.495 true/ and he's a negative obpm, and dbpm with a .08 win share

[Tom Izzo]

This motherfucker

[Jerry West]

Dec 18, 2019 3:34:57 GMT Tom Izzo said:

This motherfucker

1 more month of this and Conley was being brought down anwyay

[James Kay]

I can't sympathize with Tom Izzo enough here LMAO

1) This makes no sense. Even if you believe that Conley has dipped and will never recover, SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT HE WILL START PLAYING LIKE NORMAL, and avert a ratings change. This only makes a trade harder for you or any other GM.

2) It's absolutely unfair to allow a GM to make a trade with one rating, and then start a thread lowering that player's rating as to undoubtedly make it harder for the competing GM to make a trade as good as the one already submitted. It's like closing the door behind you.

[Tom Izzo]

Dec 18, 2019 3:39:29 GMT Jerry West said:

Dec 18, 2019 3:34:57 GMT Tom Izzo said:

This motherfucker

1 more month of this and Conley was being brought down anwyay

Sure, maybe. Maybe not.

But instead of having some time to get creative and have a negotiating edge with ratings, let's go ahead and sabotage all of that. 

This dude clears house AND then immediately starts a decrease thread on a player he hypothetically traded, all the while not having full control of the team. 

All he has done in 3 days is decrease the value of the Rockets and any owner who takes over that team is starting off, somehow, a leg lower than they would have just a few days ago.

For someone claiming...what was it, "not to be a idiot" - you sure are making quite the opposite case.

I'm sorry Amare, nothing against you, just frustrating to be caught in this application process with you twice in a year and have the exact same results occur each time. 

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 3:34:57 GMT Tom Izzo said:

This motherfucker

Excuse me, you want to be a dic thats fine but facts are facts so deal with it
His value is shit either way it goes and if you dont know how to look up advanced metrics, or use your eye test than maybe you shouldnt be a gm
I dont blame anyone for anything here, if i make a bad trade and it gets crapped on than sure i get mad but i dont go around calling people mother f%#&ers
Stop blaming me and go out and handle your business Tom Izzo
Its called a competition for a reason so deal with it!

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 3:40:57 GMT James Kay said:

I can't sympathize with Tom Izzo enough here LMAO

1) This makes no sense. Even if you believe that Conley has dipped and will never recover, SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT HE WILL START PLAYING LIKE NORMAL, and avert a ratings change. This only makes a trade harder for you or any other GM.

2) It's absolutely unfair to allow a GM to make a trade with one rating, and then start a thread lowering that player's rating as to undoubtedly make it harder for the competing GM to make a trade as good as the one already submitted. It's like closing the door behind you.

Your absolutely right, its a competition! I should definitely slam the door in any other competition so they cant make a better trade
Why would i help someone im in competition with, that makes absolutely no sense for me not to
And lets not act like draymond wont be lowered as well even though their are reasons hes playing worse this year. Plus this comimg from the guy who some how kept pg13 while way over the hard cap lmao

[James Kay]

Dec 18, 2019 3:57:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Your absolutely right, its a competition! I should definitely slam the door in any other competition so they cant make a better trade

You should not be allowed to do that. Especially at the expense of a team you don't control.

Dec 18, 2019 3:57:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Why would i help someone im in competition with, that makes absolutely no sense for me not to

There shouldn't be a competition.

Dec 18, 2019 3:57:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Plus this comimg from the guy who some how kept pg13 while way over the hard cap lmao

Irrelevant but ok.

[Tom Izzo]

Dec 18, 2019 3:57:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Dec 18, 2019 3:40:57 GMT James Kay said:

I can't sympathize with Tom Izzo enough here LMAO

1) This makes no sense. Even if you believe that Conley has dipped and will never recover, SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT HE WILL START PLAYING LIKE NORMAL, and avert a ratings change. This only makes a trade harder for you or any other GM.

2) It's absolutely unfair to allow a GM to make a trade with one rating, and then start a thread lowering that player's rating as to undoubtedly make it harder for the competing GM to make a trade as good as the one already submitted. It's like closing the door behind you.

Your absolutely right, its a competition! I should definitely slam the door in any other competition so they cant make a better trade
Why would i help someone im in competition with, that makes absolutely no sense for me not to
And lets not act like draymond wont be lowered as well even though their are reasons hes playing worse this year. Plus this comimg from the guy who some how kept pg13 while way over the hard cap lmao

So you're admitting to agreeing to trade Conley while capitalizing on his rating with the intent to lower his rating after the agreed trade to hurt your competition for the role of GM of the Rockets?

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 4:01:31 GMT James Kay said:

Dec 18, 2019 3:57:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Your absolutely right, its a competition! I should definitely slam the door in any other competition so they cant make a better trade

You should not be allowed to do that. Especially at the expense of a team you don't control.

Dec 18, 2019 3:57:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Why would i help someone im in competition with, that makes absolutely no sense for me not to

There shouldn't be a competition.

Dec 18, 2019 3:57:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Plus this comimg from the guy who some how kept pg13 while way over the hard cap lmao

Irrelevant but ok.

Your right their shouldn't be a competition, the person with the most activity, and being a assistant/ co gm who's helped teams and went through a off season for a team and helped improve 3 teams in 1 years time should get the team! Well that would be me, but it's always a application process

And it's not irrelevant of your 183 mil+ cap with George opting in, you slammed the door on the east with that correct
Even though you should have lost him! But hey that's your deal

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 4:06:52 GMT Tom Izzo said:

Dec 18, 2019 3:57:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Your absolutely right, its a competition! I should definitely slam the door in any other competition so they cant make a better trade
Why would i help someone im in competition with, that makes absolutely no sense for me not to
And lets not act like draymond wont be lowered as well even though their are reasons hes playing worse this year. Plus this comimg from the guy who some how kept pg13 while way over the hard cap lmao

So you're admitting to agreeing to trade Conley while capitalizing on his rating with the intent to lower his rating after the agreed trade to hurt your competition for the role of GM of the Rockets?

Um,no sir but when I see GM's start lowering people I thought I would as well
I can do more if you would like!
You wouldn't find a better deal anyhow so this is a mood point
I talked to every gm and no one wanted him or wanted me to pay to get rid of him bc every one knew this was coming anyhow
You think the trade I made is based on him being a 86 lol, it wasn't that's why I had to give up picks as well
The trade was made with both parties knowing Conley is grossly overpaid and declining rapidly
The trade was made for roster balance and depth, and also bc Larry needed a point guard instead of playing Draymond their
You had the same amount of time and opportunity to find a deal as well so I'm sorry your so bitter but I spent the time bc I'm more active than you point blank

[Tom Izzo]

Dec 18, 2019 4:09:05 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Dec 18, 2019 4:01:31 GMT James Kay said:

You should not be allowed to do that. Especially at the expense of a team you don't control.


There shouldn't be a competition.


Irrelevant but ok.

Your right their shouldn't be a competition, the person with the most activity, and being a assistant/ co gm who's helped teams and went through a off season for a team and helped improve 3 teams in 1 years time should get the team! Well that would be me, but it's always a application process

And it's not irrelevant of your 183 mil+ cap with George opting in, you slammed the door on the east with that correct
Even though you should have lost him! But hey that's your deal

Bro why is everything you post when in charge of a team so controversial and head scratching?

I want to wish you the best and to a fair trial, but every action you do is to the complete detriment of my own self-interests. Every thing you do harms me in some way, it's so annoying. 

[Amare Stoudemire]

Whoever thinks I capitalized on Conley being a 86 is kidding themselves! If that was the case I would have got a much better deal. It was about depth, balance, and saving some cap period!
I guess I hurt starting center Jared sullinger value as well with that trade
It's about making the rockets better that's it, and if you can't see that than your blind

[Steve Nash]

Maybe this isn't the place for this question, but can you even apply for the Rockets position, Amare? You are acting as the current Kings GM. You can't run both teams haha...or am I missing something?

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 4:16:24 GMT Tom Izzo said:

Dec 18, 2019 4:09:05 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Your right their shouldn't be a competition, the person with the most activity, and being a assistant/ co gm who's helped teams and went through a off season for a team and helped improve 3 teams in 1 years time should get the team! Well that would be me, but it's always a application process

And it's not irrelevant of your 183 mil+ cap with George opting in, you slammed the door on the east with that correct
Even though you should have lost him! But hey that's your deal

Bro why is everything you post when in charge of a team so controversial and head scratching?

I want to wish you the best and to a fair trial, but every action you do is to the complete detriment of my own self-interests. Every thing you do harms me in some way, it's so annoying. 

It's also annoying to be called a mother fucker, if you want the team so bad and I'm so terrible I'll take my name out of the running for you and happily stay with the king's so you can feel better

[Tom Izzo]

Dec 18, 2019 4:15:49 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Dec 18, 2019 4:06:52 GMT Tom Izzo said:

So you're admitting to agreeing to trade Conley while capitalizing on his rating with the intent to lower his rating after the agreed trade to hurt your competition for the role of GM of the Rockets?

Um,no sir but when I see GM's start lowering people I thought I would as well
I can do more if you would like!
You wouldn't find a better deal anyhow so this is a mood point
I talked to every gm and no one wanted him or wanted me to pay to get rid of him bc every one knew this was coming anyhow
You think the trade I made is based on him being a 86 lol, it wasn't that's why I had to give up picks as well
The trade was made with both parties knowing Conley is grossly overpaid and declining rapidly
The trade was made for roster balance and depth, and also bc Larry needed a point guard instead of playing Draymond their
You had the same amount of time and opportunity to find a deal as well so I'm sorry your so bitter but I spent the time bc I'm more active than you point blank

I'm not going to argue with you. But I would like to point out a few things and hopefully offer up some advice for the future. 

1) I'm not bitter about anything other than the fact that whenever I am up for a team, you seem to come in like a bull in a china shop and break everything. I would love to have a fair trial (even though I think trials have proven TWICE to be a terrible idea) and help each other. Instead, every action you take just hurts the perceived value of the players to be assumed. 

2) Same amount of time and opportunity. Yes. A whopping, what, 48 hours? Bro, come on. It's clear you feel rushed and pressured into making trades instead of taking time to find quality and well-thought out deals with a long term plan in mind. My advice is to be more patient. Let things develop a little bit and don't settle on trades. If you think I haven't been talking to guys here and I've just been sitting on my behind, your assumption is wrong. The difference here is I haven't agreed to anything because it hasn't been to the betterment of this franchise, yet. 

[Tom Izzo]

Dec 18, 2019 4:22:08 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Dec 18, 2019 4:16:24 GMT Tom Izzo said:

Bro why is everything you post when in charge of a team so controversial and head scratching?

I want to wish you the best and to a fair trial, but every action you do is to the complete detriment of my own self-interests. Every thing you do harms me in some way, it's so annoying. 

It's also annoying to be called a mother fucker, if you want the team so bad and I'm so terrible I'll take my name out of the running for you and happily stay with the king's so you can feel better

Glad we finally agree on something! Thanks! Good luck with the Kings! PM for Conley or Love, if you're interested. 

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 4:20:29 GMT Steve Nash said:

Maybe this isn't the place for this question, but can you even apply for the Rockets position, Amare? You are acting as the current Kings GM. You can't run both teams haha...or am I missing something?

It's a weird situation bc the kings are ghaznys, but I basically run them bc he's got alot going on and I'm not sure if he's coming back
Believe me I'd much rather be the gm of the kings than the rockets especially since I helped create them but it would suck to lose that if ghazny decides to come back so it's a tricky situation and maybe I shouldn't apply for the rockets bc of it
I just want my own team one way or another

[Amare Stoudemire]

Dec 18, 2019 4:23:09 GMT Tom Izzo said:

Dec 18, 2019 4:15:49 GMT Amare Stoudemire said:

Um,no sir but when I see GM's start lowering people I thought I would as well
I can do more if you would like!
You wouldn't find a better deal anyhow so this is a mood point
I talked to every gm and no one wanted him or wanted me to pay to get rid of him bc every one knew this was coming anyhow
You think the trade I made is based on him being a 86 lol, it wasn't that's why I had to give up picks as well
The trade was made with both parties knowing Conley is grossly overpaid and declining rapidly
The trade was made for roster balance and depth, and also bc Larry needed a point guard instead of playing Draymond their
You had the same amount of time and opportunity to find a deal as well so I'm sorry your so bitter but I spent the time bc I'm more active than you point blank

I'm not going to argue with you. But I would like to point out a few things and hopefully offer up some advice for the future. 

1) I'm not bitter about anything other than the fact that whenever I am up for a team, you seem to come in like a bull in a china shop and break everything. I would love to have a fair trial (even though I think trials have proven TWICE to be a terrible idea) and help each other. Instead, every action you take just hurts the perceived value of the players to be assumed. 

2) Same amount of time and opportunity. Yes. A whopping, what, 48 hours? Bro, come on. It's clear you feel rushed and pressured into making trades instead of taking time to find quality and well-thought out deals with a long term plan in mind. My advice is to be more patient. Let things develop a little bit and don't settle on trades. If you think I haven't been talking to guys here and I've just been sitting on my behind, your assumption is wrong. The difference here is I haven't agreed to anything because it hasn't been to the betterment of this franchise, yet. 

Maybe during a application process I do feel rushed, but I do just fine when their is no application process so thanks for the advice!

[Amare Stoudemire]

Ian Noble please place this thread in trash as I don't want Tom Izzo or Steve Nash to feel like they have a disadvantage bc of me, I will let someone else decide the stockwatch of Mike Conley, and I will not vote when he is stockwatched
My apologies!

[Kevin Hollis]

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