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Post by Jerry West on Dec 16, 2019 19:48:53 GMT
Current: 68 Proposed: 78
Turns the ball over a lot (3.1), plays bad defense and only shoots 40% from the field. But he is still averaging 20 points and 7 assists a game.
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Amare Stoudemire
Sacramento Kings
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 16, 2019 19:50:41 GMT
77
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Post by George Gervin on Dec 16, 2019 19:53:40 GMT
75
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
All Star
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 16, 2019 20:35:13 GMT
78
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Post by James Kay on Dec 17, 2019 0:23:16 GMT
82 I think these votes may actually be low for how impactful this guy has been. The Hornets have no business being in the 10th seed, with the same amount of wins as the 8th and 9th seeds. Out of the top 10 3PM players - Harden, Graham, Hield, Bertāns, Kemba, LaVine, Redick, Young, Bogdanović(Jazz), and KAT - Graham is only assisted on more of those shots than Harden and Young - and his blistering .411 from 3-point range is higher than that of either of those two. And his passing - number 4 in assists overall, 9th in assist per game, and 9th in assists per 100 possessions. And his turnovers are truly not a concern here - out of those in the top 10 for assists per 100 possessions, only Brogdon and Rubio average less turnovers than Devonte. Thus far in the season he has played like an elite volume shot-creating shooter and play-making guard. He isn't a positive on defense, but his defensive deficiencies are nowhere near the level of other offense-first guards like Trae, Teague, Booker, Russell. 538's RAPTOR rating has him as a top 30 overall player and a top 15 offensive player. projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-nba-player-ratings/
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Post by Alex English on Dec 17, 2019 2:38:46 GMT
78.
I'm still not sure this isn't just a guy getting really hot from deep. 41% off of 9 attempts is amazing and it's coming off of just 29% from three last year. His overall FG% is still so low because he's an awful 39% from two. If he's going to come out of nowhere like this he'll need to prove it for longer to convince me.
I also think the Hornets are lucky to be at 12-17. Somebody has to put up stats on bad teams. Remember when Mike James averaged 20 ppg for the Raptors? The fact that we can call 12-17 overachieving tells us just how bad we expect this team to be. So Graham is really going to have to earn it over a long time imo.
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Larry Bird
Indiana Pacers
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Post by Larry Bird on Dec 17, 2019 3:06:18 GMT
80
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 17, 2019 4:05:10 GMT
78
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Tim Duncan
Former Jazz GM
Sophomore
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Post by Tim Duncan on Dec 17, 2019 6:29:35 GMT
77
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Dec 17, 2019 14:14:02 GMT
78
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Post by Danny Longley on Dec 17, 2019 16:39:02 GMT
80
I'm not going to argue too hard because I do think this is a bit early. Personally wasn't looking to post till about mid January.
But below 80 seems absurd to me considering that the only really visible hole for a guard like him is FG%. It's not like it's without reason either. He's attempting about 9 3 pointers per game compared to 6.5 from inside the arc. If you look at his EFG%(52.1%) and TS%(56.3%), he's about middle of the pack of the league's PGs. For comparison, Kemba shot 51.1%(EFG) and 55.8%(TS) on a roster that's practically the same.
I get wanting to be conservative, but he's posting a really solid overall line with 19.6 PPG/3.8 RPG/7.4 APG. He's not limited to scoring, and as James said, he's not so big a defensive hole(at least relative to other NBA starting guards)as Jerry's making it seem that it should tank him so much.
I'll agree with the sample size issue for now as it literally is just about the third of the season, but if his numbers hold for the season, he should get more than the 80 that I'm currently voting.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Dec 17, 2019 19:14:36 GMT
79
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Post by Jared Montini on Dec 18, 2019 2:55:40 GMT
80
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 18, 2019 4:55:26 GMT
78
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