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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Dec 6, 2019 14:03:20 GMT
Christian Wood goes to the hornets:
Year 1: $898,310
Year 2: $1,796,620
Year 3: $2,694,930
Year 4: $3,593,240
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Post by Jerry West on Dec 6, 2019 16:45:46 GMT
Can Charlotte sign someone using the MLE with them being over the hard cap? Ian Noble |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 6, 2019 17:11:11 GMT
Can Charlotte sign someone using the MLE with them being over the hard cap? Ian NobleNot using the MLE. I’m required to sign players to meet the roster limit |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 6, 2019 17:19:14 GMT
Can Charlotte sign someone using the MLE with them being over the hard cap? Ian NobleNot using the MLE. I’m required to sign players to meet the roster limit Aren't minimum contracts restricted to 2 years? |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 6, 2019 17:19:47 GMT
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Post by James Kay on Dec 6, 2019 17:45:00 GMT
Not a min contract bc it increases every year |
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Post by Jerry West on Dec 6, 2019 17:46:51 GMT
Not a min contract bc it increases every year But you are limited to minimum contracts |
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Post by James Kay on Dec 6, 2019 17:55:11 GMT
Not a min contract bc it increases every year But you are limited to minimum contracts Well, the rules are actually slightly ambiguous regarding this situation. First, the rules state that the maximum length of the league minimum contract is 2 years. But because there are increases every year, I’m not sure that this is a league minimum contract anymore. Second, the rules actually don’t say i’m limited to league minimum contracts. They say that when a team over the hard cap is under the roster limit of 12 players, that team can sign a player for the league minimum. Here, I’ve signed a player for the league minimum. It just so happens that the later years in the contract increase to take it out of “minimum contract” territory, and therefore allow the length to extend past 2 years. But Ian Noble should weigh in. |
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Dec 6, 2019 18:04:52 GMT
No offense James but that's an absolutely ludicrous interpretation.
The rules clearly state hard cap teams are limited to minimum contracts. And minimum contracts are limited to 2 years. There's really no ambiguity
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Post by James Kay on Dec 6, 2019 18:21:50 GMT
No offense James but that's an absolutely ludicrous interpretation. The rules clearly state hard cap teams are limited to minimum contracts. And minimum contracts are limited to 2 years. There's really no ambiguity While it may be something of a stretch, I don't think it's that ridiculous. The crux is whether "league minimum contract" means: 1) Any contract that begins at the league minimum; or 2) Any contract that has the league minimum for both years. Under interpretation 1, a contract like this - worth $8,983,100 over 4 years - would be invalid, but a contract with a much cheaper structure - $910,000/$910,000/$910,000/$910,000, worth $3,640,000 over 4 years - would be valid. The 2 year limit on minimum contracts predates hard cap restrictions, so there must be some individual justification for it. IMO the only remaining rationale is to set a floor for the absolute minimum you can keep a player for over 2 years. |
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Post by Jerry West on Dec 6, 2019 18:29:23 GMT
Here's my interpretation. You are over the cap, that means you can offer only 2 type of contacts: using the MLE or minimum contracts up to a max of 2 years. You are over the hard cap which reduces your options to one, which is league minimum.
You don't get extra cap or special rules because you are under 12 players.
So if you cant sign a Player to Option B, and you are breaking the rules of Option A by being longer than 2 years I think it should be invalid.
Basically the only way this should be valid is if you were using the MLE, which you can't.
Example: My signings of Parsons, Turner, Kornet and Lee.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 6, 2019 21:33:26 GMT
Yeah, we definitely put a stop to contracts like this years ago. The 2 year thing was to stop teams over the cap from getting Bird rights on players then re-signing them to much higher contracts. It was like a back door way to increase your cap and have more money to work with. At least, that's my memory of it. Minimum contracts can still have increases though, that's always been a thing. So the "maximum" minimum contract would be the first 2 years of this deal, since you can increase by 7% or the minimum contract amount, whichever is greater. This one seems like Rules 101, what's going on here? Quit goofing around  |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 6, 2019 22:14:13 GMT
That said I don't mind him signing a regular two year minimum unless someone had a better offer already for him which I doubt.
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Post by Ian Noble on Dec 7, 2019 11:05:29 GMT
Yeah, we definitely put a stop to contracts like this years ago. The 2 year thing was to stop teams over the cap from getting Bird rights on players then re-signing them to much higher contracts. It was like a back door way to increase your cap and have more money to work with. At least, that's my memory of it. Minimum contracts can still have increases though, that's always been a thing. So the "maximum" minimum contract would be the first 2 years of this deal, since you can increase by 7% or the minimum contract amount, whichever is greater. This one seems like Rules 101, what's going on here? Quit goofing around What Alex said  This deal will be restricted to 2 years in length. |
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